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posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:27 AM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
It shows the hypocrisy of these people, as well as the so called "international community" who have backed, and continue to back dictatorships.


They also back Israel. Did you forget or are you having trouble admitting that? Why is it you seem to have a problem with goodwill toward the international community that supports you?

I will say this much. China is a very valuable and important partner to my country. Many times more important than Israel. Not just to Australia either. But the whole world. Communist or not. I am more or less happy with what I hope are my nations close ties to the Chinese people. I think it is a very good sign we are able to put past differences and grievances behind us and work together. I hope we can do so for many years into the future.

Well as I stated in my last post I'm not getting anywhere and I no longer wish to debate the issue and clutter up the thread trying to say the same thing over and over again.




posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:28 AM
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Well.. without going into details about everything.. I guess I will flat out just say.. YES.. I DO hate Israel. I hate their government. I hate their military. I hate their attitude towards every other race / religion in this country.

And you know what? Its my right to hate them. So tough.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:29 AM
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You should really examine everything you just wrote...I'm DEEPLY concerned.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW
 


Do you know?

Please enlighten me with the historical facts that prove a nation existed called Palestine or a people that should be known as "Palestinians".


uhhh huhhh

keep going, don't stop there, you're on a roll.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:32 AM
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Palestinians don't need Western aid, if every Muslim give one dollar to Palestinians they will get more than a billion.

and yes I hate Israel, but I got my reasons, hate don't just burst out of no where.

Hate exists based on two reasons, either based on ignorance, or based on truth.

If you think my hate towards Israel is not based on truth, then please inform me, so we can have a long relaxing conversation in regards.

Hey, did you hear? Another Veto for Israel's continuous crimes against humanity.

Thank you America bin laden


You terrorist sympathizers, you fire breathing terrorists


Ahhh that little red guy finally came in handy ^^



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:33 AM
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Palestinian people do not exist

Some highlight's from the article


Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism.

For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:36 AM
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Yep, it's as I suspected. I have no response for now as I'm laughing a little too hard and speechless. You TRULY have me at a loss for words.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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Can I tell you something? I don't believe in those conventions. because I do not differentiate between war and genocide. That's good education for you. That will help you in the future.

[edit on 3-6-2010 by Gorman91]


So you admit you have no concern for how the innocent people are treated while governments battle it out? Sounds to me like you would get along well with a lot mass murderers.

You don't believe in those conventions? The Geneva convention is not a religion or theory for you to "believe". I promise you they are real. Can you at least learn English before you use it? I think "agree" is the word you may have been searching for here.

"I do not differentiate between war and genocide."

.....

That's because you are not educated. You lack intelligence on a lot of levels.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:39 AM
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Make good on your username and prove to me the existence of a Palestinian people and/or nation. Until you can (which you can't), you're just a mouthpiece spewing your hate against a people who have valid claim to their land.

And it's no laughing matter when it comes to DENYING IGNORANCE.

[edit on 3-6-2010 by Freenrgy2]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:40 AM
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Maybe we can set up a debate thread for that, so I have more time?

Wanna dance?



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Ciphor
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What israel has been doing for the last decade (and much further back I'm sure) is Genocide NOT war.


Well, you surely need to go back to school "kiddo".... The Palestinians have also murdered Israeli civilians...ah but you don't count those right?... I wonder why?...

But hey, i guess to someone like you the following Israeli family, which was murdered by two Palestinian terrorists in 2004 were really evil".... I could have chosen other Israelis who have been murdered by Palestinian terrorists, and even U.S. citizens who were visiting friends and or family in Israel and were murdered.

The following is a picture of Tali Hatuel, with her daughters. All of whom were murdered as Hatuel was driving her car, The Palestinian terrorists riddled the car with bullets which crashed, and then approached the car and shot at point blank not only Hatuel but all of her daughters...

Next time you want to say something about Israel, have in mind this family and others who were murdered...



Both sides have committed atrocities, but at least the Israeli government doesn't use their own people as shields, they don't shoot from or near hospitals, schools, and other public buildings just so the other side destroys those buildings and then use that as propaganda... and they surely do not brainwash their children and young to put on suicide vests and kill themselves and murder as many people as possible....



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:41 AM
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It’s not irrational. Israel is a terrorist state and that’s clear for any that wish to see. Israel is in apartheid, and the hate is astounding. The killing of Palestinians and the seizure of their land is considered manifest destiny by many people in Israel.

It has become a rite of passage for Israelis to kill at least one Palestinian during their required military service. The land grabbing is more than just a settler issue, and we all know it. Israel should face economic sanctions so harsh that it makes those imposed on Iran look like child’s play.




















Do your part, and please meet any pro Israel rant with videos showing the state sponsored apartheid. There are tens of thousands of videos on Youtube and elsewhere. Those who defend the apartheid have blood on their hands all the same. They dont deserve the time of day from any of us!

[edit on 3-6-2010 by Donkey_Dean]



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by Prove_It_NOW
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Maybe we can set up a debate thread for that, so I have more time?

Wanna dance?


What's to debate? If things are as you believe to be true, then it ought to be fairly simple to prove your point without having to use fuzzy logic to prove the existence of a non-existent nation.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:43 AM
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Originally posted by Freenrgy2
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Make good on your username and prove to me the existence of a Palestinian people and/or nation. Until you can (which you can't), you're just a mouthpiece spewing your hate against a people who have valid claim to their land.

And it's no laughing matter when it comes to DENYING IGNORANCE.

[edit on 3-6-2010 by Freenrgy2]


No seriously I gotta run to work now. But I'm gonna check back with you later, and see if you're ready to debate me in a dedicated thread about your assertions.

I'm your huckleberry.

I'll be back later.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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You won't be able and you know why?... Because every time the Palestinian authorities and people were given a chance to make official their nation they rejected the treaties because they do not want to accept the existence of Israel...

That is the reason why the other member is telling you to try to prove it, and you won't be able to...



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:47 AM
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What's to debate? If things are as you believe to be true, then it ought to be fairly simple to prove your point without having to use fuzzy logic to prove the existence of a non-existent nation.


Neither Israel, nor Palestine existed, but both Jews and Arabs lived in that land called Palestine under the British mandate. The people living in that land were called Palestinians, both Jewish, Christian and Muslim.

No need to debate, there needs to be two states, but the Zionists don't want it.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:50 AM
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Why does it seem to me that the only argument you are coming up with and one that you keep repeating is that the "Palestine leaders steal billions worth of aid packages for their own enrichment."

Can you please stop repeating the same thing over and over again and present a proper argument.

The "aid" that comes into any country doesnt really go to the people, the people in charge assign it as they see fit, so stop basing your WHOLE thread on that one thing.



posted on Jun, 3 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by belial259

Just remember every time you criticise the UN. Who it was that put you there and gave you a country.


What the heck are you talking about?.... I was born in Cuba, not in Israel buddy...

oh and btw...just in case you didn't know... Jewish people had been living in what is now Israel for as long as Palestinians have... Also, there have been more influx of Arab people into the region of Palestine in recent decades than Jewish people into Israel...



Originally posted by belial259
And remember when you criticise the international community who that land really belonged to. I've got a Union Jack on my flag mate. Show some gratitude. We died to free your people, and that land was a British Mandate.


What land are you talking about?.... Somehow you seem to think that I am Israeli....



Originally posted by belial259
Communists and socialists aren't evil. They're just different ideologies. Dictators are neither here nor there. Everyone is different.


Oh yes they are.. they try to push for their "perfect utopia" when it only creates misery, starvation, oppression and even death....



Originally posted by belial259
Perhaps you also have some kind of problem with Queen Elizabeth II?


Even though she is supposedly more for show, I don't approve of any so called "Kings and Queens" or any other sort of monarch/dictator... We are in the 21st century, not the 13th century...



Originally posted by belial259
Just remember the more you lash out at everyone else. The less likely we are to support you. And without our support you never would have existed as a country and will cease to exist.

Australia contributes greatly to the UN, is compliant with most international laws and generally tries to operate within UN mandates whenever possible. We've done much to help others and better mankind. Until Israel can say the same it has no place on the world stage.


Australia is really that good, really?... Last I checked your people, at least some, have been quite violent with Arab immigrants...


Monday, December 12. 2005
Australian Race Riots: Reaction to Years of Arab Gang Harassment

Thousands of Australians, Arabs Attack Each Other
Australian news media describes the native Australians as "drunken" and "chanting racist slurs" and cites an example of "white youths attacking a man of Arab appearance."

The feedback from Australians on Internet sites tell a different story. While there are many comments disgusted over the story of white anti-Arab racism, here are some telling comments from others, that this is a reaction to years of harrassment by all-male Arab gangs. As is the case with young Arab Muslims throughout the West, teenage girls are generally forbidden to go out, leaving separatist gangs of predatory Arab Muslim males with highly misogynist attitudes.

While many of the complaints below focus on harassment of females, there is also anger against a much darker, and geographically widespread phenomenon: Pan-European Arab Muslim Gang Rape Epidemic
...

www.iris.org.il...

What were you saying about Israel and Palestinian terrorists?.....


Your own nation is having a problem with thousands of Muslims, and I am not saying all Muslims are like this because they are not. But who are you to talk about Israel when your own country, and your people are reacting similarly to Arab immigrants?...



[edit on 3-6-2010 by ElectricUniverse]



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