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Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
As a Jew, it truly concerns me and I am begining to see the old anger and hatred of my people become popular again. History sadly repeats itself.
The "aid" that comes into any country doesnt really go to the people, the people in charge assign it as they see fit, so stop basing your WHOLE thread on that one thing.
"I regret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace."
The great tragedy is that Yassir Arafat stole during his lifetime several billions of dollars from funds made available by the United States and the Western European countries for the Palestinian people. These billions disappeared into banks in Europe, primarily in Switzerland. These facts were disclosed at the time of Arafat's death in Paris in the unseemly discussions between Arafat's widow and Palestinian leaders while Arafat first lay in a coma and later was dead in his hospital room. His death could not be announced and the body could not be moved until an agreement was reached about the money under the control of Arafat's widow. At this point, it seems clear that most of that money was retained by Arafat's wife.
A bankrupt Palestinian treasury is only part of Arafat's shameful legacy. The other part is being demonstrated by the elections taking place today in Gaza and on the West Bank. Arafat, who operated as a dictator, fearful that he would be ousted was unwilling to develop young leadership to follow him. As a result, the Palestinians have been led by the very weak Mahmoud Abbas, who lacked the courage to disarm Hamas and the militants.
Hamas (حماس Ḥamās, an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah, meaning "Islamic Resistance Movement") is a Palestinian Islamic organization with a socio-political wing and a paramilitary force, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. After winning 76 of the 132 seats in the Palestinian Parliament in the January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections, and defeating rival Palestinian party Fatah in a series of violent clashes, since June 2007 Hamas has governed the Gaza portion of the Palestinian Territories.
The US plotted to overthrow the democratically elected Hamas government in the Palestinian territories, documents obtained by Al Jazeera reveal.
But, when that plan failed, the US set up an operation to fund Fatah fighters and drive Hamas out.
In Cairo, Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, justified the arming of Fatah, saying the situation had called for it.
The US has openly supported Fatah and after Hamas seized control of Gaza in June 2007, the US announced an $80m funding deal for Fatah's security services in the West Bank.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
reply to post by LittleSecret
Of course you want to stop talking about the aid because like Jack said,"You can't handle the truth." LOL
The truth is, all of this is about money. You can list atrocities from both sides until the cows come home. Like I said, Israel isn't perfect but neither are the crooks who run Palestine.
The problem with the I hate Israel crowd is they are immune to reason and logic and they are gripped by an irrational hatred for Israel.
Again, if you follow the money, it leads to the heart of the problem for Palestine.
If the Billions given in aid actually went to the Palestinian people instead of the pockets of the crooked Palestinian leadership, things would be much better.
If Arafat would have signed the peace deal and met Barak half way, things would be a lot better for the people of Palestine.
This isn't about the people of Palestine, it's about money and power of a corrupt few but the I hate Israel crowd can't see this because they're blinded by blind hatred.
Originally posted by hotpinkurinalmint
reply to post by captaintyinknots
Reporting the flaws of the other side is not deflection, it is stating what Israel has to work with. There are two sides to the conflict and in order to understand the conflict, one must see what both sides are working with.
How can Israel be single handedly responsible for the plight of the average Palestinian when Palestinian leaders have squandered billions of dollars in foreign aid. Perhaps the Israelis would not have to fend off as many attacks from desperate Palestinians if the Palestinian leadership used the billions of dollars it gets to take care of their people rather than enriching themselves.
The anti-Israel crowd portrays Israel as a unilateral aggressor. Is it deflection to point out that Palestinians have launched acts of aggression like launching rockets into Israeli territory or sending suicide bombers into Israeli market places?
Originally posted by Legion2112
reply to post by inforeal
My tune has changed on the Israeli Government - they should be held accountable for what happened on that cargo ship, and I can't continue to support their government until leadership changes. This was an action that could've been easily avoided, blockade not withstanding, but sadly was not.
What you said, however, is a rediculously poor excuse to parallel two extremely dissimilar governments that I'm getting tired of hearing. The new Nazi regime? Really?
If Israel wanted to play that card, they could have very easily on numerous occasions since 1948... but, since Israel hasn't swept across the middle east planting the Star Of David above each country's capital killing millions upon millions, and carting Muslims off to death camps, I've got to say your parallel is somewhat idiotic.
Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Billions are always going to Palestine but it never gets to the Palestinian people.
Dozens of countries met yesterday to pledge billions of dollars in aid to the Palestinians in support of Western-backed President Mahmoud Abbas, but disputes with Israel on settlements and checkpoints darkened the mood.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy urged the 68 visiting states to be generous at the one-day conference, the financial sequel to last month's Annapolis meeting that launched the first peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians in seven years.
The Palestinian government is seeking $5.6 billion over three years at the aid meeting - funds designed to revive the moribund Palestinian economy and strengthen Abbas in a power struggle with Hamas Islamists while he negotiates with Israel.
There's always billions flowing into Palestine and the people live like it's 2,000 B.C.
People like Jimmy Carter and the I hate Israel crowd never complain about the billions in aid that never gets to the Palestinian people.
This is why there will never be Peace. It doesn't make any sense for those crooks running Palestine to make Peace as long as the useful idiots in the I hate Israel crowd will keep sending them Billions and they will keep spending it while blaming Israel for everything.