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If everyone has regarded to choose any path or their own personal path than what was the reason of sending prophets and messenger to this world? I agree with Joecroft, not any path. But the Straight Path which is led down by Almighty Lord(Allah/Elah) given to his prophets and messengers which is revealed in the Books (Torah, Gosphel, Quran..etc).
The sacrifice is to pay for our sins. The world will be destoyed again like in the days of Noah,
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Regarding the Matthew 26:62-66, what you understood is the text but what are the context?
One argument often raised by Christians in order to try and prove the deity of Christ is that they say that the Jews accused Jesus of committing blasphemy. However, I am here to argue that the Jews misunderstood them and that Jesus never did commit blasphemy. We will also examine the real reason why the Jews accused Jesus of blasphemy.
John 10:30
“I and the Father are one."
Originally posted by Abuaisha
John 8:37-40 :
37) I know you are Abraham's descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. 38) I am telling you what I have seen in the Father's presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father. " 39) "Abraham is our father," they answered. If you were Abraham's children," said Jesus, "then you would do what Abraham did. 40) As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
Jesus is accusing them of killing him simply because they do not like or want to accept his teachings. Jesus clearly stated to them that he is a MAN who was telling them the truth that he heard from GOD. NOT THAT HE IS GOD!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Commets on Proverbs 8:23-27:
The Gospel of John, the fourth Gospel, was completed to its present form some seventy years after Jesus was raised up to heaven. This Gospel in its final form says one more thing about Jesus that was unknown from the previous three Gospels — that Jesus was the Word of God. John means that Jesus was God’s agent through whom God created everything else. This is often misunderstood to mean that Jesus was God Himself. But John was saying, as Paul had already said, that Jesus was God’s first creature. In the Book of Revelation in the Bible, we find that Jesus is: “the beginning of God’s creation” (Revelation 3:14, also see 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Colossians 1:15).
Anyone who says that the Word of God is a person distinct from God must also admit that the Word was created, for the Word speaks in the Bible saying: “The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works...” (Proverbs 8:22).
Originally posted by Abuaisha
We find here that Jesus was not co-equal with the Father, for Jesus said: “...the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28).. So Jesus is not bringing himself into to the equation, together to the God. John 14:23 is misunderstood. People forget this and they say that Jesus is equal to the Father. Whom should we believe — Jesus or the people? Muslims and Christians agree that God is self-existent.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
John 16:13 “He will speak.” ( Joecroft: According to you; you have experience Holy Spirit(Comforter). Did "HE" speak to you?
Jesus referred to the paraclete as ‘he’ and not ‘it’ seven times, no other verse in the Bible contains seven masculine pronouns. Therefore, paraclete is a person, not a Holy Spirit.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
If you have experienced the Holy Spirit (Comforter), does the function of Holy Spirit matches what Jesus (PBUH) described..
John 16:14 “He will glorify Me.”
John 16:8 “he will convince the world of its sin, and of God’s righteousness, and of the coming judgment.”
John 16:13 “he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak.”
John 14:26 “and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
John 16:13 “and He will disclose to you what is to come.”
Did you encounter all above functions from the Holy Spirit?
John 7:38
“Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Do you mean to say Holy Spirit = God Spirit + Jesus Spirit?
Originally posted by Abuaisha
A "Spirit" in the New Testament is a human Prophet. Therefore, Jesus had predicted the comming of a human Prophet (spirit) after him and not the Holy Spirit. Jesus would not have used the word "he" for the Holy Spirit. He would have used "it" instead in John 14:26 above. Read 1 John 4:1-3 below
Originally posted by Abuaisha
Someone could have inserted the word "Holy" to convey his personal understanding of the text.We must study the characteristics of the "Paraclete" and compare them to both the "Holy Spirit" and to a "Spirit." Muslims believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the one intended and not the Holy Spirit. In the Christian's own "Gospel of Barnabas" Muhammad is mentioned by name here.
Originally posted by Joecroft
Your Comment:" I agree that God is one but how many prophets do you know, have raised people from the dead and been raised from the dead themselves?"
Originally posted by Abuaisha
My Reply : Jesus (PBUH) was not acting alone. He was performing miracle with Command of God.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
The reason some might not take the 'easy road map' as you say is for many reasons.
1, they do not have proof of Jesus being real.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
2, most of the Bible might not resonate with them...therefor, they would have issues with just picking what does resonate with them and leaving the rest behind.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
3, no matter how you see the life of Jesus...many read that Jesus is a blood sacrifice for sins...and this is not going to resonate with many that are on a path of personal seeking. Most people that call themselves 'spiritualist' are not going to accept a book that is FULL of blood sacrifices and scapegoats for a persons wrongs and rights. Its one thing to say....'Yes, I think the accounts of Jesus in the Bible have some spiritual wisdom's...'....its another to read it and take it for all it says.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
This is why I posted you that link....did you read it???? I think you will see how a person, through just reading a story, could have understanding of the importance of a 'offering of self'.
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
The idea that people are learning something about themselves on the path of Jesus...is no more or less right or wrong...for all paths can teach us something about ourselves if we are truly observing ourselves for a path of spiritual growth.
I was so suprise to hear that you do not believe that God has send prophets & messenger, that doesn't mean that you dont believe in them. Am i right.. So i thought what this man is upto.
Originally posted by Abuaisha
reply to post by helen670
Adolf Hitler was raised as a Roman Catholic. He was a Christian. We do find good and bad people in all religion. That does not make true message of a religion and their followers bad.
When the prophet of Islam started preaching his new religion in Mecca, he was conciliatory to Christians and Jews.
He told them,
"We believe in what has been sent down to us and sent down to you, our God is the same as your God. "Surah 29:45.
This attitude changed completely after he gained strength.
Allah then tells him to.....
"Fight People of the Book (Christians and Jews), who do not accept the religion of the truth (Islam), until they pay tribute (penalty tax) by hand, being inferior." Surah 9:29.
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