Dulce, New Mexico - Important Data that You ATS People DON'T Have Yet!!

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posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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Awesome thread!

Back when I was in college at the U of U, the former director of Dulce came and gave a little presentation about the facility and what not. One of the slides gave a brief overview of the different levels and what they were ued for, it showed some sub levels but the slide just showed them as storage. So I asked him how deep the the levels below the storage levels went. He gave me an odd look for a second or two and then kinda grinned and said that there wasn't anything below those levels. I wish I could have gotten him drunk and then asked him again




posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 02:32 AM
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Glitch here too

The glitch is on national geographic maps too... and these are older maps. How do i know? Check the lowest angle of the triangle (hard to find on NGeographic coz u cant make markers) and compare with google maps/earth. You will see there are buildings on google maps but nothing on NG. How can u explain the gitch is on newest and older maps?? These maps are from the same satellite?



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 03:21 AM
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OH_REALLY ?

not to be unduely cynical - but a lot of silly claims have been made about ` dulce base `

so , if your story is true - i find it rather odd that :

1 - an anonymous ` former director ` of a base thats existance is not publically admitted would give an unclassified lecture to college students detailing [ amongst other things ] a partial layout

2 - that none of the ` dulce researchers ` have managed to diosscover the name of this former director - and the contents of his alleged lecture - and use that info in thier evidence for the ` dulce base `

[edit on 16-9-2009 by ignorant_ape]



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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You wont Find Anything around Dulce.

Your not looking for an entrance to Dulce, that would be impossible. They buried and closed the doors at the building site long ago, there is nothing there above ground at least. Your looking in the wrong place.

The bases just, access the cave systems, tip of the iceberg...

Look West



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by _damon
Glitch here too

The glitch is on national geographic maps too... and these are older maps. How do i know? Check the lowest angle of the triangle (hard to find on NGeographic coz u cant make markers) and compare with google maps/earth. You will see there are buildings on google maps but nothing on NG. How can u explain the gitch is on newest and older maps?? These maps are from the same satellite?


Interesting... The same marks show up on the NG map. The mark directly north 2.2 miles of the 'door' is even there on the NG map. Looking at the 'image history' (in VIEW) in GE, the 'door' mark is there on the 6-17-05 and 10-23-05 images but not on the 7-31-05 or the 9-26-98 images. The NG map is NAVTEQ and USGS while GE is USDA (Farm Service Agency) and TELE ATLAS. I have plotted a couple hundred of these same marks a few months back, and they are all in a pattern... I still think they are mapping/processing marks and not doors. They must be sharing image maps.
rs



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by mopusvindictus
You wont Find Anything around Dulce.

Your not looking for an entrance to Dulce, that would be impossible. They buried and closed the doors at the building site long ago, there is nothing there above ground at least. Your looking in the wrong place.

The bases just, access the cave systems, tip of the iceberg...

Look West
How far west?



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 10:25 AM
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ok - why should we listen to you ? - not being confrontational - just asking - because many people claim there is something to find at dulce

now you are calling them all liars - hey i call them liars too
but for different reasons [ i suspect ]

so - bottom line - what is your evidence for ` looking west ` - hey its prety vague and cryptic .

where EXACTLY should someone look west - and what are they hoping to find ???????????????



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by nuker123
Awesome thread!

Back when I was in college at the U of U, the former director of Dulce came and gave a little presentation about the facility and what not. One of the slides gave a brief overview of the different levels and what they were ued for, it showed some sub levels but the slide just showed them as storage.


Well being from college and all, you should have a pretty good recollection of that presentation
Care to share?



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
where EXACTLY should someone look west - and what are they hoping to find ???????????????


Well bases, even non secret ones, are rarely right in the town they get their name from. A good example is Kirtland AFB is 246 miles from Kirtland NM

In Russia they give a town name Like Baikal-34 means its 34 km from Baikal

I will be looking west



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 12:47 PM
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Been trying to see if i could find any spelunking sites that may say where we can find some cave entrances... but little luck as spelunkers like to keep those secrets to themselves and to ward off amateurs for fear they will get themselves killed and then they cave it in to keep everyone out.

I came across this however. Which made me laugh when I read it.
link to site:
www.newmexico.org...

Caving/Spelunking

Caving, also known as spelunking, is the underground explorer's adventure. Exploring the depths you can see the magnificent results of nature's work in progress—some caverns are eons in the making. Discover stalactites, stalagmites, bats and more. Spelunking opens an exotic, alien, hidden world.
But make sure you bring a sweater as many caves often stay a nice chilly temperature all year round!

National Caves Association
Founded in 1965, the National Caves Association is a non-profit organization of publicly and privately owned show caves and caverns.
P.O. Box 280
Park City, KY 42160
Phone: (270) 749-2228
info@cavern.com
cavern.com/

National Speleological Society
With over 12,000 members and 200 grottos, the National Speleological Society does more than any other organization to study, explore and conserve cave and karst resources; protect access to caves; encourage responsible management of caves and their unique environments; and promote responsible caving.
2813 Cave Avenue
Huntsville, AL 35810
Phone: (256) 852-1300
nss@caves.org
www.caves.org/

National Cave Rescue Commission
The National Cave Rescue Commission serves as the National Speleological Society representative on issues of cave rescue training and operations. It is a volunteer group developed primarily to train and track cave rescue resources throughout the United States.
www.caves.org/io/ncrc/

Caves

Carlsbad Caverns National Park
As you pass through the Chihuahuan Desert and Guadalupe Mountains of southeastern New Mexico and west Texas—filled with prickly pear, chollas, sotols and agaves—you might never guess there are more than 300 known caves beneath the surface. The caves formed in a fossil reef laid down by an inland sea 250 to 280 million years ago. The park contains 113 of these caves, formed when sulfuric acid dissolved the surrounding limestone, creating some of the largest caves in North America.
3225 National Parks Highway
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220
Phone: (575) 785-2232
www.nps.gov/cave/index.htm

Ice Caves
Located in part of a collapsed lava tube, the Ice Caves' temperature never rises above 31° F. The natural layers of perpetual ice glisten blue-green in the reflected rays of sunlight
Ice Caves Trading Co.
12000 Ice Caves Rd.
Grants, New Mexico 87020
Phone: (888) 423-22637
info@icecaves.com
www.icecaves.com/

Grottos

Guadalupe Grotto
PO Box 1229
Carlsbad, NM, 88221
Phone: (575) 628-0461
edburke@plateautel.net

Hondo Grotto
1816 N. Orchard
Roswell, NM, 88201
Phone: (575) 317-2155
fah@dfn.com

Mesilla Valley Grotto
528 N Melendres
Las Cruces, NM, 88005
Phone: (575) 521-8630
speleobabe@comcast.net

Pajarito Grotto
1723 Avenida Cristobal Colon
Santa Fe, NM, 87501
Phone: (505) 989-4392
bigredfoote@yahoo.com

Pecos Valley Grotto
PO Box 2078
Carlsbad, NM, 88221
Phone: (575) 234-7403
Bill.Weston@wipp.ws
www.caves.org/grotto/pecosvalleygrotto/

Sandia Grotto
PO Box 53183
Albuquerque, NM, 87153
Sgoodcaver@aol.com
www.sandiagrotto.org

White Sands Grotto
408 Southern Sky
Carlsbad, NM, 88220
belskic@valornet.com

I guess we could make some calls... inquire if there are any systems in or around Dulce since "that's were we are thinking of taking our camping trip to" hint hint!

[edit on 16-9-2009 by Numb2itall]



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 01:51 PM
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I grew up in Farmington nm, and now live in phx. I am from the navajo indian tribe and I know a few people from Dulce. My dad also knows a few people there too, mostly elder tribesmen. My friends do say something is going on up there but no one ever says nothing more-and are kinda scared to even though they try to be "Gangsta" in the middle of nowhere. I recently found out that my father knew about this base for a long time and says that the MAIN reason the Jicarrilla people don't say anything is they do not want to loose their money$$$ or get 187'd. That tribe gets alot of govt. money, so do other tribes, it use to be couple g's every few months 8 yrs ago. My friend use to just blow the $$$. My tribe does not get any money. I'm not talking about general funding for the community but just for being a member of the tribe.

I think it's hush money but I'm not from there and I haven't read anything about this in this current thread. I'm sure they have better excuses' for the money, gas,oil, land, etc. Any thoughts?



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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yes money is a powerfull motivation - but its neither infaliable or ubiqitous

there is an acronym to explain how the base loyalties are formed or subverted :

MICE

money - obvious and already covered

ideology -

coersion -

ego -

the notion that the carrot of money has trumped the other 3 for an entire community is rather wishfull



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Arizona, follow the roads... south to Los Alamos, West along the 40 near Holbrook, South to the Mogollon Rim, many natural entrances, North West along the rim, Payson, North of Camp Verde near Sedona most recent drilling



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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Follow the trail I am giving and I can't give much more. Look at the geography see where it is heading.

I don't have all the answers, just that much is disinformation, I can only theorize. And I am not saying they are wrong about base at Dulce, just that there are entrances there, they were long ago sealed there is no purpose for entrances over spotted locations once you can service and repair the drilling equipment and power yourself. There is little to no coming and going on the surface at Dulce it is hardened it is underground the doors are elsewhere now.

And that our bases aren't the biggest factor, our bases simply border the rest for good reason perhaps.





[edit on 16-9-2009 by mopusvindictus]



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Numb2itall
Been trying to see if i could find any spelunking sites that may say where we can find some cave entrances... but little luck as spelunkers like to keep those secrets to themselves and to ward off amateurs for fear they will get themselves killed and then they cave it in to keep everyone out.

I came across this however. Which made me laugh when I read it.
link to site:
www.newmexico.org...

Caving/Spelunking

Caving, also known as spelunking, is the underground explorer's adventure. Exploring the depths you can see the magnificent results of nature's work in progress—some caverns are eons in the making. Discover stalactites, stalagmites, bats and more. Spelunking opens an exotic, alien, hidden world.
But make sure you bring a sweater as many caves often stay a nice chilly temperature all year round!



Exactly my friend


Mogollon Rim, Colorado Plateau... Limestone, cut by water underground rivers, massive lakes, massive caverns, surreal.

Fear of amateurs dying isn't the reason my friend, but brilliant observation. Reveal a loc and it will either be sealed or you will loose it forever unless like the caves you mentioned it's a dead end and useful as an attraction. But break into the real systems and give it up? No way

Dangerous game, dangerous, dangerous game Spelunking the real veins, lots of ways to loose above and bellow ground when you know what your looking for.



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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I posted this in another thread, so here we go agian. First off there is no one named Thomas Costello, the Dulce story came out before Bob Lazar's story did, but according to Bob the only person he worked with on the saucer at S4 which is a real place by the way except its a radar field in the Tonopah Test Range, was a man named Barry Costello. Uuuuh, the 2 must be related and you can hear it from interviews Bob has given in the past. Bob's very real friend Jim Taliani who worked at the TTR becomes Dennis Mariani, see the little rhyme there, oh and I wonder where the name S4 came from, hhhmmmm.

If you watch the 1971 movie the Andromeda Strain you will see an exact layout of the base at Dulce which was uncovered in 1987. Man people love taking ideas from movies. Google video Andromeda Strain movie and compare, I don't think you like what you find. The pieces of meat and humans in cages is very easy to fill in the rest.

Just because the Rand Corporation built a tunnel boring machine does not mean it was used to create this ultra top secret human/alien genetics lab like in UFO HUNTERS. It was probably used to bore some holes at the NTS and NORAD. It is probably now sitting in a warehouse gathering dust.

John Lear, Linda Molton Howe and others love using their brains to come up with non-sense like this. For some it is a business and new material whether fake or real has to come out from time to time.

Oh, while in Dulce don't forget to stop by the indian casino which has fine slot machines available everywhere.
ding .



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by RyanLA123
I posted this in another thread, so here we go agian. First off there is no one named Thomas Costello, the Dulce story came out before Bob Lazar's story did, but according to Bob the only person he worked with on the saucer at S4 which is a real place by the way except its a radar field in the Tonopah Test Range, was a man named Barry Costello. Uuuuh, the 2 must be related and you can hear it from interviews Bob has given in the past. Bob's very real friend Jim Taliani who worked at the TTR becomes Dennis Mariani, see the little rhyme there, oh and I wonder where the name S4 came from, hhhmmmm.

If you watch the 1971 movie the Andromeda Strain you will see an exact layout of the base at Dulce which was uncovered in 1987. Man people love taking ideas from movies. Google video Andromeda Strain movie and compare, I don't think you like what you find. The pieces of meat and humans in cages is very easy to fill in the rest.

Just because the Rand Corporation built a tunnel boring machine does not mean it was used to create this ultra top secret human/alien genetics lab like in UFO HUNTERS. It was probably used to bore some holes at the NTS and NORAD. It is probably now sitting in a warehouse gathering dust.

John Lear, Linda Molton Howe and others love using their brains to come up with non-sense like this. For some it is a business and new material whether fake or real has to come out from time to time.

Oh, while in Dulce don't forget to stop by the indian casino which has fine slot machines available everywhere.
ding .



Sweet! i love casinos and the slots! Anything to help out the Tribes.
As for Costello... I never put much stock in the story to begin with. I just find NM fascinating and most of it seems pretty untouched so the fact that I may get to see something new brings up A+'s for me! I do have to admit however... I'm a sucker for a good story.

mopusvindictus



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:46 AM
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It wasn't detailed he just showed us what the areas were generally used for . Like some were dedicated to radiation experiments and others to genetic research and what not. I'll see if I can't find our speaker syllabus for that year, 07-08 school year.



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by Numb2itall


mopusvindictus



posted on Sep, 17 2009 @ 07:33 AM
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You base your assumptions of an installation in Dulce because there are no fast food joints on the rez and that people there stay inside at night with their familys and this bores you....... .interesting .....DIRT





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