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Dulce, New Mexico - Important Data that You ATS People DON'T Have Yet!!

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posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 06:13 PM
reply to post by jlc767

The caller reminds me of Another; Edvard Munch and His scream.

Do you See what you are shown?

If something does not 'make sense', more than likely 'that' was by Design.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 06:19 PM
reply to post by DaddyBare

Very good points and some information to not take lightly. Thanks

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 06:20 PM
We need mythbusters on this one

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 06:24 PM
Excellent thread and good work on your part. This is the kind of good stuff I came to A.T.S for. Again Good Work and Thanks /star and flag/

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 06:38 PM
Absolutely superb thread, THIS is what I joined ATS for.

Your approach and supporting evidence is excellent, especially the earthquake data.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 06:50 PM
Thanks for this great research.

The "door" on the side of the mountain -- I believe that's Navajo Peak -- could be anything.

The other buildings could be anything, though they provide points of interest.

The underground seismic activity might simply be evidence of oil/gas explosions... or not. Requires further study.

The newspaper articles are also very interesting, PARTICULARLY the hikers/campers who were approached by military men.

Please keep us updated.

[edit on 14-9-2009 by CUBD1]

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 07:01 PM
I saw the door, it is funny seeing that where it is. It almost looks like a generic representation of a door, like somebody made a graphic representation of the door at google maps in order to obscure whatever is under that. If they would have blurred it out, it would have been noticable by the fact of the blurring. If they would have carefully edited it out, somebody would have noticed why isn't said rock or escarpment not there in the new photo but their in an older one. Buy making a generic representation it may do to things, it shines disbelief on the person saying they made it up (which I don't believe) and also it hides the real door in plain sight. By using the people as a BS filter to say it's a fake.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Vizard11
I just wanted to point out that the Door in question may just be an image glitch. I've found more of this same shape on your map. Unless these are more doors, but I don't believe so. Just in case my image links don't work since I don't know what I'm doing. You can also just follow the blue line on the map North until you find the same image artifacts/doors.
[edit on 14-9-2009 by Vizard11]

Now this is denying ignorance. Great job finding those computer errors and bring them forward. I applaud and star you.
Perhaps the mountain is being modified to be another Fort Knox, this time for the gold being stored by the Native Americans from all the gambling casino winnings.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 07:43 PM
I found this very interesting.

Comment on the site where picture was found.

As part of the Plowshare Program, nuclear tests were conducted at two sites near Rifle, Colorado (Rulison and Rio Blanco), southwest of Dulce, New Mexico (Project Gasbuggy), and near Carlsbad, New Mexico (Project Gnome-Coach). Projects Rulison, Rio Blanco, and Gasbuggy were designed to stimulate the production of natural gas in tight sandstone formations.

The testing near Dulce was called Gasbuggy, the picture depicts the re-entryu team entering one of these caverns which where formed by a Nuclear weapon, not saying this picture is near Dulce, however there are images somewhere on ATS of a site also near Dulce with warning signs of Radiation present from underground blasting.

The site where I found this information is Here

Also THIS Online PDF file also states that they carried out this kind of testing south west of Dulce.

The PDF file is very informative about the use of Atomic explosions for the Los Alamos labs, same place that submitted a patent for a Nuclear tunnelling device, which left the walls of the tunnels looking like polished glass, although that information is not included, it is easlily found online with a little research.

My opinion, there is certainly something there, and Phil Schneider knew a lot of what he said was true, and I believe he died for it.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 08:01 PM
18 miles following that arrow leads to the middle of a north-south dirt track like a perfect paper crease in the Earth. 9.33 miles north there are a network of buildings. South there is a basin. It is also a few miles from the nuclear site.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 08:14 PM
Felt 'compelled' to post the following for some strange

Here goes 'nothing'?

Your Choice.

Next move.


posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 08:34 PM
reply to post by jlc767

Yeah, WPAFB has a southern section near the AF museum. The northern part of the base is much higher. The southern end is built into the lower end of a hill. You betcha - it goes real deep.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 08:49 PM
I drive past WPAFB every day.
The whole thing is as flat a pancake. That doesnt mean there aren't underground portions, but Dayton is pretty damn flat. So Im not sure what youre talking about being built into the side of a hill.
Maybe you mean the Huffman damn? that runs along one side of the base.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 09:04 PM
TO _damon: cant u2u until I have 20 posts- don't post much. But never did find out what became of Russian documents. Never asked.
in regards to Phil Schneider I believed he was a hoax as John Lear had claimed but the fact that he has no social security record much like my cousin's father is a bit suspect in my opinion- both were involved with the DUMBS and both wound up dead- another bizarre coincidence, schneider died about an hour's drive from where I live.
The dulce story has had a profound effect on me as I have been fringe all of my 34 years (all starting with odd encounters in my youth) the fact that recent familial revelations have tied it to me now on a personal level is bizzarre and frightening to say the least.
If what TC says is true then a great crime has been perpetuated against humanity. If it is BS then the disinfo campaign has achieved its goal- we're here discussing it with no verification of its credibility of its lack thereof. THE DUMBS ARE REAL AND PEOPLE ARE DEAD

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 09:18 PM
Hmmm, very annoying how the markers create shadows.

In the first link of the OP, if you look at the top right marker, say 1 or 2 oclock, and zoom all the way daown as far as it will let you, then select "terrain", yes the shadow casted by the Marker itself appears to be an entrance way to an underground cave. At fist I was oh wow!

But I'm not really a google earth guru so, this was probably obvious to you all at fist glance.

However, I think they should definitely create a new system where you can place markerks, and they do not create shadows on the actual terrain. it's just silly, and can lead to misinterpretation.

Any types of points/markers/flags/dots or whatever you wanna put on your google earth or google map should NOT cast a shadow on the Earths actual terrain.

Other than that. I've read a decent amount about Dulce and the area, and I would say theres a high chance of Large underground tunnels and Bases in and around the surrounding areas. Stuff that would probably blow your mind.

All in all Good post.

Star and a Flag for you!!!

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 09:55 PM

Originally posted by likeabull
I checked out the Google map info. Did you notice the weird piece of grass to the south. No grass any where then, boom . One big piece by itself. Looks like camouflaged buildings in this grass or could be satellite error? If you live there, What is this grass? Here are the coordinates.


Not grass. It's Mundo Lake.

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 10:12 PM

Originally posted by DaddyBare
Seeing as how I am Jicarilla and grew up on a ranch just south of Dulce lets talk... the general store and chapter house are the only commercial establishments in town... you bet there's a lot of heavy truck traffic carrying so very unusual looking equipment this is oil country and most of the Jicarilla comes from those oil leases...
now as these heavy trucks are found down these little goat track roads its understandable some might mistake them for doing something shady...

As for tremors let us not forget the Rez is bordered by the Valles Caldera (or Jemez Caldera), is a 12-mile-wide collapsed volcanic caldera in the Jemez Mountains of northern New Mexico.

as to people being a bit stand offish towards strangers... you get that in any small town but to be fair we just had a problem with the tribal cops creating problems, enough that the police force was disbanded for a while and the FBI had to step in... lots of murders were happening up there... lots of drug dealings going on for a while.... to this day Dulce is not the place you want to go unarmed especially if you plan on trespassing on ground someone might be growing Marijuana on...

[edit on 14-9-2009 by DaddyBare]

The load on that truck looked like some of the vent fans used in the coal mine tunnels in Paonia, Colorado. The use them to keep fresh air in as well as the temperature cool. It gets very warm underground.



posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 10:24 PM
I remember some years ago about a "hum" near Taos. Is this connected to any of this? Underground generators or such?

posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 10:33 PM
Something that I find odd, if you go to:


On Google earth, look at the street view camera in that exact position and what do you see, on this road, in the middle of the snow in the middle of nowhere...... a fire hydrant?

Now I have no idea why its sitting there in the middle of nowhere... the only logical thing I could think of is forest fires, but even that still seems odd, do they do that in the states? I mean we have bush fires here in Australia but we don’t have fire hydrants sitting in the middle of nowhere.


posted on Sep, 14 2009 @ 10:34 PM
I've posted in other threads about this, as I have friends in
the oil & gas industry who do minor work in synthetic seismic
surveys in that area which is heavily populated by ranchers,
oil & gas leasesholds and of course Indian reservations.
It's also hot as hell down there and one should NEVER
go in that area without taking along a bottle of Gatorade
for every one to 2 hours you plan to spend there!

While the surveys done by my colleagues is on public lands
or done from authorized locations and is NOT near the Archuleta Mesa,
I can say so far that the 3D synthetic seismic data sent to me
as part of some testing of a digital signal processing program
I've created indicates no particularly overt examples of an
underground base. All i've seen is evidence of old, long-buried
water culverts, some water wells and fracture basins from old lakes
and well holes from previous explorations. Again while the depths
were limited to less than 1000 feet, I think we need to be more careful
as to what is espoused regarding the Dulce area until a full-scale
synthetic seismic survey is done right to the Pre-cambrian rock bottom
specifically within the Mesa areas that so many have espoused
which, by the way, is on Indian land!

And regarding some previous warnings, please be careful of the local
Ranchers who tend NOT to take too kindly to people trespassing on their
lands and spooking the cattle. And I shouldn't have to mention that
I have PERSONAL experience as to how fast a 1500 to 2000 lbs bull
can run when it's annoyed! As one can imagine, It woudn't be nice
to have a bunch of yahoos trouncing upon private land and having
either a angry bull's horn stuck up their wazoo or face the business
end of a rancher's gun who thinks you're a modern day cattle rustler
which is a rather common criminal act in these recessionary days!

And under the laws of New Mexico and Texas, the ranchers can
pretty much shoot first and ask questions later if you're considered
a rustler/invader, so to inject some COMMON SENSE into this forum
rumble around in a wild, unexplored west that doesn't actually
exist anymore!

Other than that, someone needs to do a full-blown survey....I've got
the software that can plots the hits into a 3D stratagraph so if there's
any volunteers to go down there in a safe and legal manner,
I don't mind using all that computer horsepower I've got to do
some 3D imaging studies to find or confirm the existence of
that currently mythical Dulce Base.

U2U me if you've got some data for me to massage and plot!

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