Originally posted by gariac
reply to post by BlasteR
Isn't the risk of unexploded ordnance too high to let them test them at Groom Lake. For instance, you don't want a plane making an emergency landing
having to avoid a bombing range.
They had a Nellis predator crash over Ft. Irwin a while back and EOD was needed to reach the craft. Not a good idea if the plane was manned since
waiting for EOD would cause delay.
Seems to me this is plenty of room on the Nellis bombing range and from the distance, experimental weapons wouldn't look particularly different from
established weapons. It would actually make more sense just to bomb an established range since that would be hiding in plain sight. Should any
observer catch a bomb going off at Groom, it would be big news. Plumes can easily be observed from route 375 as evidenced by crashes on the range have
been detected from the Tikaboo valley.
UXO's are only an issue on the ranges the weapons are actually used. Usually the weapons detonate (If they are designed to). Sometimes they just
don't. The reasons a munition wouldn't operate as intended can vary from design defects to how they were assembled by the ammo troops that
assembled them. But this is more applicable with things like conventional bombs where components have to be assembled, inspected, and transported to
holding pads and/or waiting aircraft. Just because alot can happen in that chain. But not all munitions require this kind of assembly process
As far as what types of munitions are being tested at Area51/Groom Lake, I have an idea but I'm not completely sure what their entire program
encompasses. The important thing to remember though is that no base is really a UXO threat. The UXO threat comes at the ranges after the weapons
don't operate as designed. The weapons are only intentionally implemented at ranges anwyay which are usually areas of land entirely separate from
the main facility. If you look on Google Earth, you will see areas very close to Area51 that are probably being used as weapons ranges.
Military bomb/weapons ranges are usually in the vicinity of the parent base but far enough away that no threat exists to incomming/outgoing aircraft.
Most weapons ranges are pre-planned and designed specifically to avoid these kinds of threats from detonations and shrapnel/fragmentation.
There are always safety concerns with flying military aircraft whether live munitions are involved or not. Especially since a simple bird can take
down a multi-million dollar airplane. But most weapons systems are actually extremely safe whether they're sitting on a trailer or loaded on an
airplane. When a plane goes down, all bets are off. UXO's are always a threat and EOD (Explosive Ordinance Disposal) personnel would have no way of
knowing what is at threat of going off and what isn't. SO if a plane has crashed with live munitions on-board, EOD is going to consider everything a
UXO just to be on the safe side and then act accordingly.
Sofar as experimental weapons sitting on a range. Most of the time they're probably gonna be in pieces. If they aren't, they're going to be
because EOD would take care of it. The Air Force has specific "career fields", some of which are specifically for the purpose of working on ranges,
cleaning up what they can, setting up simulated targets for pilot training, etc.. Most of the time these people work under the command of a Civil
Engineer (CE) Squadron.
Testing of weapons systems does not just occur at one base or another. Just like black ops don't just occur at one base or another. In fact, I'd
be willing to bet that the wide majority of Air Force facilities have black budget programs in one form or another. They even have some going on up
here in Alaska (but I'm not gonna talk about that either).
But everyone knows that some sites scattered across the U.S. are specifically built to be "Black Sites" that are usually hidden from the public and
used to conduct experimental/classified operations and testing. An underground base at Dulce would definately be a perfect way to hide out of plain
site. I mean, even Area51 is out in the open. If they're using a hidden base underground it's not only because they intend to keep the base,
itself, hidden but also it's true purpose. And that is what's scary. Especially given what the "whistelblowers" have said combined with the
pretty frightening rumors about the place.
Everyone knows what Area51 is being used for (at least most of it). Not everyone knows what they might be doing in an underground facility where
noone's watching. And keep in mind, these are black budget dollars. So even if the base is somehow discovered, we're never gonna necessarily know
what really goes on down there. Area51 is, again, prime example here. Those servicemen died from toxic burnoff of stealth byproducts (only because
the military didn't want to truck it off and gain attention to the base) at Area51. And even then, the gov. stuck to its story that it didn't exist
(do a google search for "presidential determination 95-45").
And let's keep in mind that someone's mutilating these cattle all across the U.S. and farmers are losing alot of money because of it. Yet there is
never any serious government inquiry into this matter and why is that? Probably because they know something we don't know. If the Gov. wanted to
conduct biological/genetic testing using the bodyparts of cattle, they wouldn't need to risk detection by mutilating cattle on private property all
across the U.S... They could do that all themselves behind closed doors using government-owned land, facilities, and cattle. It's really
mind-boggling! None of it adds up but it surely hints at what's really going on, doesn't it?
And the rumors about the facility in Dulce, NM would absolutely explain what we're seeing. As if aliens mutilating cattle on earth wasn't wierd
enough. Now we have a potential underground facility where humans and aliens might even co-mingle to conduct various experiments involving cattle
bodyparts and whatever else we don't know about (unwilling human subjects?!). I mean this is pretty shocking stuff, if real. But it's no wonder
they'd want it kept hidden.
[edit on 21-9-2009 by BlasteR]