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Originally posted by Dr. N
It seems to me that the economic and patient care arguments offered by some are only a thinly veiled cover for the ideological problem that they have with providing those less well-off with some of their hard-earned dollars. I can completely understand that to an extent! There is one thing that I think is fundamental though and I just don't understand it...
“The utopian schemes of leveling (redistribution of the wealth) and a community of goods (central ownership of all the means of production and distribution) are as visionary and impracticable as those which vest all property in the Crown. (These ideas) are arbitrary, despotic, and, in our government, unconstitutional.”
Originally posted by eradown
I think it is funny you know who our president is. You really should not. Regardless of whither you love Obama or hate him, he won't help you at all. We in America prefer to mind our own bussiness or maybe we really are too big to ignore.
...we in America prefer to mind our own business...
Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Originally posted by jjkenobi
I for the life of me don't understand why other countries care about or think they should have some influence on health care policy in America.
I'm not interested in changing the Canadian or UK health care system. Why are you so interested in changing mine?
[edit on 17-8-2009 by jjkenobi]
At the end of the day, I don't. Clearly you didn't read my post.
What I care about is American's ignorance towards other nations and their way of doing things. I'm not a fascist or a communist and my government doesn't own me because we have socialized medicine.
Originally posted by Dr. N
I'm a little confused...
You're clearly not arguing that everything was fine and dandy in the world of the federal republic until very recently and it's only socialised healthcare that's rocking the boat, so you must be acknowledging that the system has been broken almost from the beginning... :
"a land with practically no bitter history of war. No established ethnic tribalism. No baggage of centuries of bad blood between the peoples of Atlantic North America.
It was refuge from the conflicts in Europe that the rediscovery of the Bible had brought."
Well that was all soon rectified!! If you look at the activities of the US today, does it really bare any resemblance to what was written down by the founders? Clearly it doesn't, so in trying to conform to the constitution you will never find resolution.
With the constitution you have a custom-made solution for a context that hasn't existed for a long time. It seems that all you have provided evidence for is that the ideology failed very early on..... In that case, isn't it time to diversify?! I really cant see socialised healthcare making things worse purely from a 'constitutional conformity' perspective and given the alternatives (see opinions in previous post...), isn't it worth some thought?
Originally posted by Spiritfilled
the problem with socialist healthcare (i'm also from canada), is that it encourages everyone to get fat and lazy and diabeetis, since they get free treatment. Now were a nation fattened like lams to the slaughter
Originally posted by brooklyn87
I would love to have socialized health care here in America,