Get a clue America

Originally posted by phoenix103

Originally posted by Nivcharah
[Then why is it so easy for terrorists to enter Canada, thereby creating a need for USA to tighten the CA/USA borders? (If we haven't, we should!)

Terrorists?! No way?! You cannot be serious!

As far as I and many, many others are concerned, when someone brings the terrorism aspect into an argument, they've already lost.

But isn't that part of the propoganda excrement we Americans are being fed? That's the fear our govt was shoveling down our throats a few years ago. Not saying it really was happening. But what the OP was saying was just as ridiculous.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by ZombieOctopus

 

We know that we already have care for everyone. It is a myth that we do not.

We know chances of survival are better here than anywhere else.

According to the CIA factbook
www.cia.gov... (would they lie?
)


the US ranks 50th in terms of life expectancy, 12 places under Jordan and 7 places under Bosnia. Canada ranks 8th.

[edit on 18/8/2009 by christianpatrick]

Originally posted by injunfeller
American's are intellectually bankrupt there is no debate there, but your concepts and understanding of socialism shows that you are among the intellectually bankrupt.

who do you think created your car, or your coat, or shirt, or every other benefit that you enjoy in your life?

Enjoy the fruits of another mans labor while you can, when the creators in this reality rise up cast the parasites away, your ilk will know their place.

I hate when the ignorant beasts of burden start talking like they actually have a clue what is going on...

Wow ignorance runs rampant here ! Nice blanket statement which proves your own ignorance. Enjoy your own myopic reality my friend.

What I find most fascinating is how easy it is to polarize and then control Earthlings.

I hear arguments no different than an Eskimo placing value judgments on African desert person for their lack of clothing. An Englishmen complaining Chinese don't speak their language, or that a North American seeing nothing wrong with leveling a forest for cattle in Brazil. Context is everything.

Comparing Seal Coats to loincloths and judging is a lack of geographic knowledge and basic understanding.

We all want to be healthy, we are all mostly unwilling to take responsibility for our own health, so we get what we deserve.

Governments and institutions guaranteeing our health and safety will never work right. The concept is not even intelligent. A new paradigm need be realized. All country's and peoples have parts for the answers and resources we all need. We need to fell the barbed wire fences placed by the sheep herders.

We could educate and cultivate all our health needs without the long-standing self appointed demigods of medicine.

While squabbling over scraps, there is potentially a unified health system of people everywhere. No one sees it because there is no massive multinational corporation over it.

We in the US are being offered baubles for our pains. The system will not work like we imagine, unless we can imagine a system inclusive of all people everywhere. Bandaids wont work on a gaping and festering wound.

We have the cures and the secrets to our health universally already. We are not currently allowed out of our pens to use this knowledge publicly. Everyone then suffers.

We also don't need a one world government to do this. We only need intelligence, a growing knowledge base, and each other.

I have tried to see the lines between our countries and people from space and the ground. I can't. Only the political map makers recognize such. There are only the lines we draw out of fear, greed and the illusions of what is ours and theirs.

It is our differences that make us all the same actually.

To our Health.

ZG

Originally posted by fleabit
Too many Americans live in an ignorant state of "omg we are so oppressed," it's sad. I understand wanting to protect freedoms, but there are so many that just don't realize just how good they have it. Just blissfully unaware of what a paradise America is, compared to so many other countries.

The healthcare system we have now is a sham. A joke. A complete mess. So the first president in quite awhile to try and do something about it is being compared to Hitler!? You've gotta be kidding me. Yea.. Hitler was always trying to reform healthcare. What jerk Obama is!

I don't think our healthcare system is a sham. It needs improvement, but not a total government takeover . I am personally happy with the plan I have, and yes, I pay for mine, and don't get it for free.
The recent outbreaks of public sentiment isn't just about the healthcare reform, it's about government intrusion into our personal lives, in every aspect, from birth to death. People have had enough. It started with giving away tax dollars to big companies, and is now centered on health care. Joe six pack has had it, and the reps from congress are getting an earfull. Next news flash--the dis-satisfaction isn't going to go away. People are mad as h___, and aren't going to take it any more.
Lastly, don't believe everything the msm tells you. They are on board with Obama all the way. They will lie about what is going on at the townhall all day long. Watch them for yourself. As they have more of them across the nation, the unions now have had more of a chance to bring in the goon squads, to fill the halls with pro reform people, and shut out as many anti reform people as they can.
Do your own thinking, and look at both sides of the story, as that's the only way to make an informed decision about the issue.

it took you this long to figure out that being smart and reading a book and trying to get an education isn't the in thing. That it isn't popular that your a nerd,geek,etc. Have you ever seen MSM and cable. Look at the nickelodean channels they present to kids that you have to be popular, follow the latest trends.dress in the latest fashions,get the latest gadgets,etc. Now wonder the average person is so much in debt. No one wants to work an honest job,everyone has to hustile,run a scam,con someone who's trying to be legite,etc. It's popular to be a gangsta.
If you want to go back to school and better your self your looked down on. Really, its getting like Farhenheith 451. Pretty soon they will outlaw books, not guns.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by theEXxman]

Originally posted by seataka




No..

Lobbying is a direct result of an act passed during WWI...that froze congress at 435 seats.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by seataka]

We're in agreement on that.

Increasing the size of Congress as well as mandating that districts be as close to being the geometry of squares as possible are two reforms I advocate.

In addition , when the Dems are thrown out of office in 2010 this is waht I would like to see Congress do (of course it will never happen)
,

in order

- Reinstate Bush tax cuts, cancel any tax hikes
- Cancel any undisbursed Stimilus funds, with clawback requirements for money dispensed in last 6 months
- If "health care / insurance / blah blah reform" has passed.. repeal it
- Same thing regarding immigration
- Immediately disband all "Community Volunteer" organizations that have any relationship with the Federal Govt., with clawback requirements for money since 2008
- End all payments to Community Organizing organizations, with clawback requirements for money since 2008
- Institute English as only language for Federal Govt
- Bar all Govt Workers from being in an Union
- Just as "Conduct Unbecoming of US Military" is actionable offense, "Violating / Not Heeding Oath to Defend Constitution" grounds for removal from office, action can be initiated by citizens by some means not subject to Govt official approval or veto.

Constitutional Amendments:
Repeal XVII Amendment (Popular Election of Senate)
Repeal XVI Amendment (Income Tax)
Repeal XIX Amendment (Just joking)

New Amendment:
Establish Federal Judicial Review Supreme Court.
- Justices must conform to Founding Father's intention in Constitutional definitions
- Justices must agree that the enumerated powers in Article I limit the powers of Congress to address any general clauses (ie: General Welfare clause is restrained by enumerated powers, not in addition to them)
- Justices can use only Constitutional text, or any other writings of the signers of Declaration of Independence or Constitution. No other precedents are usable.
- Any "novel idea" must be advocated by more than one Founder
- No legal weight is to be given by implied authority
- Any lower Federal or State Court that declares a law unconstitutional must have its decision affirmed or rejected by this Court
- Courts may only declare actions unconstitutional. They shall not direct other branches of Govt to do anything more than what is already enacted law.

Government use of Private Property for Public Use
- The Fifth Amendment shall be updated to read
from "...nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation"

"nor shall private property or private income or privately held money be taken for public use, without just compensation"


First Amendment Revision:
"Freedom of Religion does not include freedom to conspire to impose Sharia law in the United States or other forms of Non-Civil Law Systems, recognizing that in American tradition, basic human rights are a consequence of man being made in the image of Biblical Deity and permitted Free Will and Free Conscience by that Creator"

and

Article II "Natural Born Citizen" clarified to mean one born of two US Citizen parents, regardless of place of birth provided both parents have x amount of years residency in the US"

reply to post by badgerprints


You are correct there, the US government does not know how to run a good health care system. The proof is staring everyone in the face, look into the government run VA health care....inadequate, irresponsible and incompetent.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by 12m8keall2c

 

Gotta agree with my pal 12...

My faith in the ability of govt. to run anything ceased to exist long ago... when a govt. cannot, or maybe will not, keep roads repaired, or educate our children...I'm supposed to hop willy-nilly onto the govt. health care express?

So not happening.

Socialist...fascist...democratic...yadda...yadda...yadda... How about we go with incompetent, bumbling idiots without a lick of common sense, instead...

AMEN! I am not against American's having Gov't health care. It is an amazing concept. It is how that concept is carried out that disturbs me. Yes Canada and the UK have realy cool health care systems but the one America is trying to pass isn't so cool. I think every human on the face of the earth deserves food, health care, shelther, clothing and an education that is my dream, but damn it to hell this bill aint the answer. It is going to be just like the bail outs everyone is going to say sounds like a good idea to me, then when reality hits and we are seeing the fruits of the bill everyone is going to say well hell we fuged up again. Mark my words. As far as Obama well lord have mercy people hated Bush too, and before that Clinton and before that Bush and so on. I don't know Obama I ain't never sat down and talked to him, all I know is what the media tells me and most American's are the same. I think he is not cracked up to all he thinks he is I think he is a bit arogant but yall put me in the big house and I guess I would be arrogant to. How can we trust any one in the Gov't when they do not seem to know a hole in the ground from their own ars? They cannot balance a budget, they cannot insure the elderly or disabled are taken care of, how are we to trust them with anything else? We are only reacting to their actions.

[edit on 18-8-2009 by Melissa101]

reply to post by ZombieOctopus


nice rant. but i think your discounting the silent masses that make the u.s. and other influential "democracy's" cultural and economic super powers. the more you have, the less you want to loose. you yearn for immortality but cant find it. so instead you curse eden when you are really just denying the human condition. quietly mourning what you cant control. were all scared. but only the minority have the time to vent about it publicly.

Never fails. When you cut to the end of a thread over ten pages it's just two sides having a smartass competition.

Who can come up with the most sarcastic way to call the other side uneducated. Ooh... that'll show 'em.

[edit on 19-8-2009 by abefrohman]

I agree with you completely. too many people demonize obama to the point where it almost seems an insult band wagon rather than a legitimate argument, especially when it comes to his "socialism".


I read one ats member's post awhile back, comparing living in the US under obama to living in Myanmar or another country under a dictatorship; very ignorant with nasty fear monger undertones, no?


personally, he makes me think of the very ambitious FDR, trying to jumpstart his nation's economy


and uh fdr=ftw