posted on Aug, 17 2009 @ 10:54 AM
Hmm. Never one to run away from a good anonymous argument.
I don't see that what's going on in America is any of your business, if you don't live here.
So many times I have heard complaints when an American claims that the US affects the rest of the world. The US gets bashed for being ignorant,
arrogant. Seems like a little bit of a double standard.
I will be the first to admit (okay, well the first THIS minute) that most Americans really don't know, or CARE about what it really means to be
socialist. It is pounded in to our heads at an early age that any government that is anything besides 'democratic' is 'evil.' (Regardless of the
fact that we aren't really a democracy anyway) After all, that was really the reason for WWII, Viet Nam, Korean Conflict...that was all about
Communism. And we Americans KNOW that Socialism is just a fancy way of saying Communism. We know all about that Communism stuff, and we don't cotton
to that. That dog won't hunt. The truth is, we DON'T 'know.' What we THINK we know is what has been beaten into our heads through our wonderful
educational system and it's 'two dollar whore,' the MSM.
The citizens of this nation that are protesting 'healthcare reform' aren't REALLY protesting THAT at all. I know that's what everyone says, and
people might even believe it when they are actually AT the town hall meetings protesting, saying that they don't want 'socialists' medicine.
What the people are really protesting is the collapse of our nation. The awakening from our decades long slumber. If we can keep everything the same,
then we can all still sleep at night and watch our favorite shows on television and everything will be just fine. As long as I can go to Wally World
and buy my 99 Cent piece of imported crap that I can sell at my own garage sale next summer for 25 cents, everything is great.
Americans suffer from a lack of flexibility. We want things OUR way, and we want them right now. (I know there are those who are more in tune with
reality, but I don't think ten percent of us are there) We want healthcare the way it is, because that is what we know. When you go changing
something on us, we get scared and when we get scared, we get angry. It is always much easier for us to lash out in anger than it is to accept, or
heaven forbid, ADMIT that we are afraid.
Your OP almost seems worded to elicit anger from Americans. I bought in to it for an instant. My first thought was to defend our great nation by
stating all the things we have all been programmed to think about all the other nations in the world that just don't 'live up' to what we have here
in America. I'll spare you. Suffice it to say that most Americans have a very strong nationalistic opinion based on the programming we have
received that at one point or another throughout history, America has 'saved the ass' of just about every other nation in the world. 'It it wasn't
for US, you would all be speaking German, or Japanese right now!' It's easy to see and understand the arrogance and misinformation, but it is very
prevalent and deeply rooted in our national ideals.
In a way, we're not much different than the folks in North Korea. We want desperately to be free, but freedom for us is usually death. The reality is
that although we like to believe we are 'free,' we really aren't. We've been trapped for years and years in the propaganda that is the 'American
Dream.' We don't really even truly ever OWN anything here in the US. If we miss our taxes, everything can be seized. It doesn't really belong to
us. But still 'owning' your own home, car and stuff is what so many think is the goal of this nation. Freedom and greed make difficult bedfellows.
If we can keep our neighborhoods one color, we can be safe. If we have 2.5 kids, a house, a job, two cars, an X-box and a microwave, we are productive
members of society. Our worth to our nation has been based not on how we have advanced the causes of humanity, but on what we can produce and what we
I have a great deal of respect for you guys, especially you, Kiwi. But calling us out for protesting, or trying to understand what's going on in
our national consciousness probably isn't the best way to foster good relations. We are many years behind the curve of the rest of the world when it
comes to being good stewards of our resources and thoughtful members of a global community. We are, after all, a very young nation by global
standards. A young nation, made up of young people. If not physically, certainly philosophically. We're the teenage son, or daughter of the world.
We're full of angst and rebelling for the sake of rebelling, why? We simply just don't understand how we are supposed to behave. We want
independence, but we still want mom and dad to pay the bills.
So guys, don't let it bother you too much. We're going to moan. We're going to kick and scream every inch of the way. We don't WANT to clean our
room, we don't WANT to take out the garbage and we don't WANT to get a haircut and a 'real' job.
If it really gets your dander up, please just let us go out in the world and make our own mistakes. When we get to be a little older, I can guarantee
you that you will seem a lot smarter THEN, than you do now.
As far as limiting the number of threads, or banning the topic....How can you expect to allow us to grow into mature, responsible adults if you're
not willing to allow us a venue for communication? We have a great deal of thinking, growing and making mistakes to do. Rather than condemn us for not
living up to your expectations of discussion, how about trying to guide us with a gentle, yet firm hand, so that maybe some day we can reach the level
of understanding that many of you others possess. We are a young nations and a young people. Now more than ever, we need the help and example of our
older siblings, if we can ever hope to be something other than the bothersome little brother, blowing snot bubbles with his nose at the dinner table.