reply to post by VinceP1974
Some of what you wrote is true, however, what is missing are things which give context to the apparently Anti-jewish connoation you're trying to
Paul asks in Romans 11:
So I ask, God has not rejected his people, has he? Absolutely not! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God
has not rejected his people whom he foreknew!
I dont believe what I pointed out is Ant-Jewish..I did quote from Scripture!
Of-course Paul was not rejected, he accepted Jesus Christ as his Messiah and understood all things as it was foretold by the Prophets.
It is not that God rejects the people, but that the people reject the Messiah that was Prophesied in the Old Testament.
11:25 For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: A partial hardening has happened
to Israel until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved
Did you catch that? A partial alienation between God and the Jews will be in place during the Age of the Church.. but the Age of the Church will come
to an end, and when it does, God will return to his people, Israel, and bring redemption to them.
Partial hardening..Until the fullness has come in?
"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery,
brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the gentiles have come in." (Romans
When the time is right,this mystery shall be revealed to those that have be 'hardened'...
The Church age is now!
It is Jesus Christ who set up the Church and placed the twelve Apostles to teach and yet, many have rejected the New Covenant that was spoken of!
Did not one of the CHOSEN Apostles betray Christ?
This indeed happens within the Church today, as it also happens within groups of trusted friends!
We are all free to choose what path to take, and we are all tempted by Satan,sometimes the rightious are tempted even more because those that do bad
are already bad...Gods People are those that choose to follow Him..
"the god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ,
who is the likeness of God." (2 Cor. 4:4)
John Chapter 4///
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come,
he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am He.
Does not this show that He was rejected?
Jesus Christ says It is He who the Prophets of the Old spoke of.
Romans 11:28 In regard to the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but in regard to election they are dearly loved for the sake of the fathers. For
the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable. Just as you were formerly disobedient to God, but have now received mercy due to their disobedience, so
they too have now been disobedient in order that, by the mercy shown to you, they too may now receive mercy. For God has consigned all people to
disobedience so that he may show mercy to them all .
So any effort to state that the Jews are fundamentally sprititually or salvationaly lost is false. It's a lie.
No one said the the Salvation is lost of the Jews ,or a lie.
Jesus Christ welcomes all to come and know the truth.
Mercy can be only shown to those that accept Christ...if people always reject and reject, how can force be of help if it is part of Free will?
It's only in our historical context that it would appear as if things were that way. But God has an overall historical plan and in the end the Jewish
people will receive all of the promises that God has made with them.
Regarding the Covenant that God has made with the Jews...
Christ annuls the first Covenant to establish the Second.
Jesus Christ gave that Promise to ALL who follow Him and heard the Prophets of the Old speak of Him.
There are no seperate rules and laws for certain individuals or groups!
...for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Matthew 9:13
Why He was not accepted.
Jeremiah 31:31 “Indeed, a time is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. It will not be
like the old covenant that I made with their ancestors when I delivered them from Egypt. For they violated that covenant, even though I was like a
faithful husband to them,” says the Lord. “But I will make a new covenant with the whole nation of Israel after I plant them back in the land,”
says the Lord. “I will put my law within them and write it on their hearts and minds. I will be their God and they will be my people.
Again, this was accomplished in His crucifixion and Resurrection!
Those that rejected him failed to understand it spiritualy.
Jesus Christ also said...His Kingdom is NOT of this world!
You see that... in the future, God will return the Jews to the land. And the Covenant that he will make with the Jews is interestingly similar to the
way that Christians regard their relationship with God.
No He wont!
This is a form of Chialism and many await the return of Christ on Earth...it wont happen as it happened the first time!
The Prophets of the Old spoke of a Messiah,Saviour coming to the World...this has happened,it was fullfilled.
Jesus Christ fullfilled what it was for Him to be fullfilled!
This is why the Old Testament became the New Testament...the New Covenant is what is now the Church.
The Second coming of Christ is to Judge the living and the dead...End of this world,where each shall go in Judgment.
St. Paul wishes to explain how it is possible, given the promises God made to Abraham and his offspring, that Israel has now seemingly been rejected
in favor of the Gentiles.
His answer is that the corporate election of Israel has not been revoked, but that there is now added to it a corporate election of the Gentiles, or
rather, of those who believe from among the Gentiles.
The effect of this is not to replace Israel, but to “graft” the believing Gentiles onto the tree of Israel in place of its broken branches
(11:19). What has been foreknown and predetermined from all the ages is simply this—that God would, at the proper time and in the proper way, graft
the believing Gentiles onto the tree.
It is important to notice that nothing follows from this about the salvation of any individual. Whether an individual belongs to the branch which is
grafted onto the tree remains a matter of his free response.
The Gentiles ... have attained to justice, even to the justice which is of the faith.
But Israel ... has not come unto the law of justice.
Because they sought it not by faith ... For they stumbled at the Stumbling Stone.
And just a few more words from Scripture///
My people did not hear My voice,
and Israel harkened not to Me ... They gave Me gall for My food,
and in My thirst they gave Me vinegar to drink ... Let their eyes be darkened,
and their back bend down always.
Pour out Thy indignation upon them: let Thy wrathful anger take hold of them.
Let their habitation be made desolate,
and let there be no One to dwell in their tabernacles,
because they have persecuted Him Whom Thou hast smitten,
and they have added to the grief of My wounds.
Add Thou iniquity upon their iniquity; and let them not come into Thy justice.
Let them be blotted out of the Book of the Living,
and with the Just let them not be written.