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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
One who submits to God is automaticly regarded as a Muslim, even if the God and doctrine are different ?
Deep
Originally posted by Solarix
This is not from a christian or jewish perspective; I thought I would get that out of the way to begin with.
Is Islam a religion where you have to check "free-thinking" at the door and embrace a tyranical, murderous, intolerant worldview?
IMO: YES!
1. How can the Koran be the infallable word of God when it contains nonsense like the earth is flat and the sun moves around the earth.
2. How can it be said that Mohammed was a loving and compassionate man yet he killed, robbed and sadisticly tortured people. ie: a man was murdered for making fun of Mohammed in poetry.
Also, Mohammed tortured and punished some by chopping of their arms and legs, burning out their eyeballs and killing them slowly in the harsh elements of the desert.
3. Why do Muslim claim that Mohammed was a liberator of women when it is taught that women are:
a) inferior to men
b) must obey their husbands - or be dealt with harshly
c) Mohammed said that hell was filled with women due to disobeying their husbands
d) Husbands can beat them because Allah promotes this in the koran.
e) Have no essential rights like child-custody and the right to divorce.
f) Court testomony is worth only half of the testomony of a man.
g) She has no autonomy, first her father controls her then her husband.
h) Allah wants them to stay at home and not to came out.
i) They are forbidden to join ceremonies such as funerals.
j) The Koran speaks only towards man as if woman arent full human beings.
4. How can Muslims say that Mohammed was a perfect human-being or even a good man and his example should be followed when it is known that he did a 9-year old girl when he was 53?
Don't many muslims follow this example because the best muslims should follow the Sunna?
5.How can it be said that Islam is a religion of peace and love when the koran teaches that non-believers are forbidden to be friends of muslims and in fact the koran promotes killing them and otherwise abusing them?
here in the UK: Sadly a friend of mine (a white man) is married to a Pakistani girl. I can sadly tell you she fled her home because of: rape, beatings, abuse and general evil all because the men of the house feel its their right indeed DUTY to do so. her brothers and father beat her, her sisters and her mother. Tried to abduct her child (reputed to be her OWN fathers kid concieved through rape)
She fled with her child and will never go back home because she knows she will be KILLED if she returns because she's in love with a white man.
The police was informed and do you know what they said: Its an Asian matter we wont get involved because of the problems it will cause. The police are TOO AFRAID because of the political correct crap that will be generated.
Muslims are also some of the most intolerant people around, they consider all non muslims to be inferior, and women are regarded to be lower than cattle and dogs.
I also know that the abuse and subsequent police inaction is NOT an isolated incident here in the UK.
Dont get me wrong, i know Muslims as individuals and they are OK people, but i will never trust their religeon, not knowing what i know or seeing what i have. Im sorry i will never.
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This is entirly false. I know of many Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist that commite the same act, what your point? Where in the world are you getting all your information from ? I am Punjabi Sikh living in Canada, and I have come across these crimes even in my fellow Sikh households ( beatings and women being deemed inferior only ), and Sikhism is one of the most tolerant doctrines on the face of the planet. Many of my good freinds are Muslims from Arab countries, Africa, India, Pakistan, and in my observation they are some of the most tolerant peoples I have ever met.
What you are describing could be cultural and social, nothing to do with Islam as a doctrine.
Deep
Originally posted by rustiswordz
It has everything to do with it. Muslim doctrine is full of violent metaphor and religeous hate. much of this entire thread covers how i feel and have plenty of examples of how evil it is.
I shant say anymore, the anger is up and i may say something i regret, Zero deep we must agree to disagree, you say its not an evil religeon i say it is and nothing we can say to each other will alter our perspectives on this.
Originally posted by paperclip
Originally posted by ZeroDeep
One who submits to God is automaticly regarded as a Muslim, even if the God and doctrine are different ?
Deep
If I may answer this one...
Muslim means Submitter, the one who submits to God. Qur'an doesnt differ here between nations, past, present. Anyone who submits to God is muslim regardless of a label put on him. The first submitter was Adam. All prophets are considered to be Muslims ( Submitters ) because of their devotion to God and faith. The way Muslims of today pray, submitting to God, puts them all in this group.
There is another word for religious people "mumin" meaning believer, to that counts anyone who believes in God, without actually fully devoting his life to God or practicing faith.
Originally posted by wooten123
Illimatic I need to apologize to you, I am new here and did not realize you were mentally retarded. There are hundreds of religons that pre-date Islam. You are really reaching now and not using common sense. Then again most fanatics don't use reason at all.
Originally posted by Illmatic67
Islam was the original religion. Islam is more than just a religion, it means submission. Adam submitted to God, so did Enoch and Abraham. They were all Muslim because they submitted to God in Islam.