“Natural born” means born in the United States.

No, it means that the person was born as a U.S. citizen, and hence did not have to make any active efforts to naturalize him/herself.

If it had been otherwise, the U.S. Constitution would have said, "born in the territories of the States."

[edit on 1/1/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

**parody. this is an anecdotal metaphor to real events. any real correlation is mere coincidence.**

THIS IS WONDERFUL! WONDERFUL!

Obama is our president, whether you like it or if he was legally eligible or not. Next, we'll be discussing how Israel is pushing back the launch perimeter of rockets into Israel in order to minimize the impact of retaliation for when they attack Iran before the before mentioned Kenyan takes office.

Then, Pres Obama will justify supporting Israel in an all out assault against the Arab nations who rally with Palestine and Iran. After all, they attacked our troops in Iraq after Israel hit Iran.

For my part I think radical islam is a cancer that must be cut out, but I'm just an observer.

(This will not happen. I was not here.)

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All that I know is that I know nothing. -Socrates

Hawaiian birth cert is the clincher. As long as the courts accept the validity of that, all other papers, court proceedings, witnesses, etc. will not change anything.

This is a non-issue.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Think the U.S. has bigger issues to worry about than this 'natural born' debate, like the mess Bush has left behind.

wow.. then you seriously need to really understand what going on here ! sorry you even made the comment ..

Originally posted by Kailassa
Why are you so much more ready to accept the existence of a legal marriage certificate, which you have never seen, than a birth certificate, which you have seen?

Hmm, a divorce decree is the alleged piece of information that is to be presented, although, like the stuff that API alleged would be produced, I doubt it will.

Personally, I doubt Obama's parents ever legally married. His mother was ahead of her times, a wilful girl who I could imagine refusing to go through the legal formalities.

You may be right, although if the dates are correct, Dunham was married just about the time she would have stated to show her pregnancy. 1961 was not a good time to be an unmarried pregnant girl in college. Regardless of how forward thinking Dunham was, society wasn't. My own birth mother (about the same time) was forced to withdraw from (college) classes until after I was born. She was unwed.

Anecdotal, I realize, but an example of the times.

Of course this would make the claims of revealing divorce papers a very silly scam.

And it probably is. But on the slim chance it isn't, there would be a docket # and a judge's signature that could be validated. In fact, what I don't understand is why they didn't already announce the docket # - anyone could order a copy of the divorce decree with that - it's public record after this many years.

Did they post it up yet? The OP said they were supposed to have the copy by 12/31/08 by 6pm.

Where the hell is this thing? Don't tell me you guys posted up another unreliable source making wild claims that will not end up providing anything real.

How many times can you guys get away with this?

*Edit:

I see it has been pushed back to 1/02. You guys better hope they produce something.

[edit on 1/2/2009 by Irish M1ck]

Obama's birth certificate is the least of my worries coming from a Chicago politician. If Schwarzenegger can be in charge of an economy the size of California's than Obama can certainly give his elected position a shot. With his history of changing opinions, non-votes and throwing the people who got him where he is under the buss, the next 4-8 years will be very entertaining on ATS.

Kill this matter please!!! This is clearly another manufactured story designed to derail the conspiracy types and shift their train of thought off the path to truth.
Folks....as Americans most of us learned by the third grade that in order to become the President of the United States you must have been born in a territory of the USA. It's clear to me that Mr. Obama was hand-picked and fast-tracked to the Oval Office by some very powerful people who wouldn't have missed that detail.
If you feel like there is something fishy in the Executive Branch, you may be right. If you think that Obama is a Kenyan, your chasing your tail in a crowd of Sheeple.

Originally posted by BluegrassRevolutionary
When will this issue finally die?????

I mean, do you really think that the DNC would have backed Obama's bid for the presidency if his ability to serve was even slightly in jeopardy?

I know that the RNC was stupid enough to allow a simpleton like Palin to run for Vice President, but come on, if there was even a chance that this issue had any merit the DNC would have just ran Hilary.

Face it guys, Obama will be the next President of the United States, get over it.

I have no doubt that the DNC is dumb enough to have backed Obama. It's the DNC after all.