Divorce Papers Found-Obama Sr./ Ann Dunham says Obama Jr. born in Kenya

No, it means that the person was born as a U.S. citizen, and hence did not have to make any active efforts to naturalize him/herself.

If it had been otherwise, the U.S. Constitution would have said, "born in the territories of the States."

[edit on 1/1/2009 by sad_eyed_lady]

**parody. this is an anecdotal metaphor to real events. any real correlation is mere coincidence.**

THIS IS WONDERFUL! WONDERFUL!

Obama is our president, whether you like it or if he was legally eligible or not. Next, we'll be discussing how Israel is pushing back the launch perimeter of rockets into Israel in order to minimize the impact of retaliation for when they attack Iran before the before mentioned Kenyan takes office.

Then, Pres Obama will justify supporting Israel in an all out assault against the Arab nations who rally with Palestine and Iran. After all, they attacked our troops in Iraq after Israel hit Iran.

For my part I think radical islam is a cancer that must be cut out, but I'm just an observer.

(This will not happen. I was not here.)

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All that I know is that I know nothing. -Socrates

Hawaiian birth cert is the clincher. As long as the courts accept the validity of that, all other papers, court proceedings, witnesses, etc. will not change anything.

This is a non-issue.

Why are you so much more ready to accept the existence of a legal marriage certificate, which you have never seen, than a birth certificate, which you have seen?

Personally, I doubt Obama's parents ever legally married. His mother was ahead of her times, a wilful girl who I could imagine refusing to go through the legal formalities.

Of course this would make the claims of revealing divorce papers a very silly scam.

wow.. then you seriously need to really understand what going on here ! sorry you even made the comment ..

Hmm, a divorce decree is the alleged piece of information that is to be presented, although, like the stuff that API alleged would be produced, I doubt it will.



You may be right, although if the dates are correct, Dunham was married just about the time she would have stated to show her pregnancy. 1961 was not a good time to be an unmarried pregnant girl in college. Regardless of how forward thinking Dunham was, society wasn't. My own birth mother (about the same time) was forced to withdraw from (college) classes until after I was born. She was unwed.

Anecdotal, I realize, but an example of the times.



And it probably is. But on the slim chance it isn't, there would be a docket # and a judge's signature that could be validated. In fact, what I don't understand is why they didn't already announce the docket # - anyone could order a copy of the divorce decree with that - it's public record after this many years.

Did they post it up yet? The OP said they were supposed to have the copy by 12/31/08 by 6pm.

Where the hell is this thing? Don't tell me you guys posted up another unreliable source making wild claims that will not end up providing anything real.

How many times can you guys get away with this?

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I see it has been pushed back to 1/02. You guys better hope they produce something.

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If anything does come of it I hope all the arm chair detectives that analyzed his birth certificate step up and do the same for this document.

But you and me both know that won't happen.

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No doubt.

Funny, the parents went so far as to put a "fake" announcement in the newspaper but weren't smart enough to lie about his birth place on their divorce papers...

I hope all of these people are holding their breath.

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Wrong. Affirmative statements BY DUNHAM - securing the divorce - in a filing to a court (under penalty of perjury and criminal false statement) have more substance than anything reported in a birth certificate. Particularly so, when it is possible his named father made the statements to the Hawaiin authorities and/or a clerk may have incorrectly recorded the claims. Moreover, the statements in the divorce filing, if they conflict with the birth certificate, would be substantive evidence of fraud in securing a false birth certificate.

Funny, the parents went so far as to put a "fake" announcement in the newspaper but weren't smart enough to lie about his birth place on their divorce papers...

Not funny at all, in fact it lends creedence to the argument that they were just letting their "old neighbors" know of the birth while living in kenya which is something many parents did back then. I know mine did the same thing when I was born they took out an ad in the newspapers of their old digs. I really don't know why you upset yourself so with all this stuff mick. At worst case scenario, we will unseat the proposed King to the throne and replace him with someone who is qualified to be sitting in it.

At best,, case,, or bestin your case, nothing happens, so either way you have no real reason to be so bitter.

reply to post by ChocoTaco369

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It's a matter of national security, too. See John Jay... investigatingobama.blogspot.com...

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One problem - the parents didn't put the notice in the paper. Read the FULL page for context at
wikileaks.org...

See that "health bureau statistics" title at the top -- just a junior reporter writing up records.

Obama's birth certificate is the least of my worries coming from a Chicago politician. If Schwarzenegger can be in charge of an economy the size of California's than Obama can certainly give his elected position a shot. With his history of changing opinions, non-votes and throwing the people who got him where he is under the buss, the next 4-8 years will be very entertaining on ATS.

Kill this matter please!!! This is clearly another manufactured story designed to derail the conspiracy types and shift their train of thought off the path to truth.
Folks....as Americans most of us learned by the third grade that in order to become the President of the United States you must have been born in a territory of the USA. It's clear to me that Mr. Obama was hand-picked and fast-tracked to the Oval Office by some very powerful people who wouldn't have missed that detail.
If you feel like there is something fishy in the Executive Branch, you may be right. If you think that Obama is a Kenyan, your chasing your tail in a crowd of Sheeple.

I have no doubt that the DNC is dumb enough to have backed Obama. It's the DNC after all.

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Erm no ... I have a Scottish goon leading my country I would much rather have a mixed race President than a Scottish goon.