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post by Dragonsbreaths
I feel this new thing is just another scam. However anyone should wonder why BHO has sealed all his records.
America is a violent country. Three presidents were shot to death in the 19th century. Lincoln. Garfield. McKinley. Six presidents in the 20th century
were shot at, three were hit, and two survived. T. Roosevelt, wounded. F. Roosevelt, person beside him was hit and died. Truman. A guard was killed
when terrorists attempted to assassinate him. JKF was murdered by LHO. G. Ford was aimed at two times but neither got off a shot. Reagan was shot but
made a full recovery.
The Secret Service ordered the earlier records of Obama sealed wherever possible to reduce the amount of information out there that could be used by
possible assassins or kidnappers.
A BC and a COLB are the same. Some states label it one way, other states the other. Both labels mean the same thing. We don’t issue a BC to a
stillborn child. All children born alive get either a BC or a COLB based on where they live. No mystery here.
We know his records as a child show he went to school as a Indonesian citizen. Mixed race births where not that common [in Hawaii] back then and I am
sure they would recall it. So if there is so much doubt . .
You “know” wrong. He did go to school in Indonesia but he was always an American citizen.
Wrong on mixed race births in Hawaii. That state has always been a place of mixed races. Always.
reply to
post by thematrix
If one of his parents is American, doesn't that automatically make him a US Citizen? If so, why does this pointless discussion continue?
reply to
post by nyarlathotep
You have to be born in the US, not just a citizen. You didn't know that?
Here’s the citizenship and president argument in a nutshell.
There is a legitimate issue whether John McCain was eligible to be the president of the US. McCain was born in Panama.
There is NO issue that Obama is not eligible to be president. Obama was born in Hawaii afer it was admitted as the 50th state
There is room for MISUNDERSTANDING the McCain issue. There is no room for disagreeing. First, John McCain was born in Panama in 1936. His father was
in the US Navy and was posted there. His mother could have returned to the US for the birth of the child but for whatever reason, she elected not
to.
Second, the US Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, Clause 4. “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the
time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall
not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.”
On citizenship. The Congress is assigned the power to make all rules for naturalizing foreign born persons. See US Con. Article 1. Section 8. “The
Congress shall have power. . [See Clause 4] To establish a uniform rule of naturalization . . END.”
“Natural born” means born in the United States. Panama is not the United States. You should not have to be smarter than a 5th grader to understand
the difference between being a CITIZEN by Act of Congress and being a NATURAL BORN citizen by act of nature.
Congress provided that any child born outside the US to 2 American citizen parents is a citizen of the United States. That law does NOT make a person
NATURAL BORN, that cannot be done by any law. It does make the person a citizen without further adieux.
The law contains one other section of historical note, concerning the Panama Canal Zone and the nation of Panama. In 8 USC 1403, the law states that
anyone born in the Canal Zone or in Panama itself, on or after February 26, 1904, to a mother and/or father who is a United States citizen, was
"declared" to be a United States citizen. Note that the terms "natural-born" or "citizen at birth" are missing from this section.
In 2008, when Arizona Senator John McCain ran for president on the Republican ticket, some theorized that because McCain was born in the Canal Zone,
he was not actually qualified to be president. However, it should be noted that section 1403 was written to apply to a small group of people to whom
section 1401 did not apply. McCain is a natural-born citizen under 8 USC 1401(c): "a person born outside of the United States and its outlying
possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying
possessions, prior to the birth of such person." Not eveyone agrees that this section includes McCain - but absent a court ruling either way, we
must presume citizenship. [See the 14th Amendment.]
www.usconstitution.net...
The reason people still argue this point - McCain’s ineligibility - is that Congress cannot ALTER the Constitution except by proposing amendments to
the states. The Supreme Court does not accept cases merely to settle an argument. The issue of the applicability of the statute is open until it is
resolved by the SC.
The Senate's "Hail fellow well met" vote of approval on John McCain was NOT a law, nor was it a Joint Resolution signed by the President. It was
the same as taking a popularity poll and of no more legal efficacy. It is the Courts that decide what laws apply, not Congress.
Aside: America does not look favorably on DUAL citizenship. Many countries do. Any person who does hold a dual citizenship is taking a risk he may be
declared to have renounced his American citizenship if he does certain forbidden things.
Here is the oath of citizenship for immigrants to the US to take just before being granted citizenship. Note especially the first very non-ambiguous
sentence.
The current oath is as follows: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any
foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the
Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of
the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and
that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. 8 CFR 337.1 provides that the phrase "so
help me God" is optional.
The United States Oath of Citizenship (officially referred to as the "Oath of Allegiance," 8 CFR Part 337 (2008)) is an oath that must be taken by
all immigrants who wish to become United States citizens. The first officially recorded Oaths of Allegiance were made on May 30, 1778, at Valley Forge
during the Revolutionary War.
Amendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of
the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United
States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its
jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
www.law.cornell.edu...
[edit on 1/1/2009 by donwhite]
