Amazing UFO Photographs By Pilots! Incontrovertible evidence?

we made the ufos, we fly the ufos, and we have been for more than 60 years.
i cant figure out why nobody wants to pony up and make this knowledge as common as media-friendly "are ufos real".

if we all get on the same page here and research where the gov and international gov tech is actually at, and spend time opening the flood gates, we could make real progress and expose the anti-grav saucers for what they are. an evolving technology that we either created, or reverse-engineered.

otherwise, we wouldnt have seen an obvious refining in saucer technology since the 50's. its quite obvious that our original designs were quite antique, compared to more recent sightings. dont you think if aliens were flying these things, they wouldnt have had such a huge jump in technology in 40 years? they would have already figured that *** out a longggg time ago.

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That was pretty interesting! I wish your father had kept some copies of those UFO photographs he had taken. Has he any?

Thanks commodore! But that was one side of the story. No one till today has answered the question as to how the UFOs are seen flying THROUGH the clouds sometimes and not always BEHIND them like if they were oil rigs!

And considering that the crew was a very experienced one, patrolling over the same area for months, isn't it odd that they couldn't distinguish between oil rigs and UFOs? Were they all drunk?

And how come the oil rigs could not be seen with the naked eye? This vid was taken by a Forward Looking Infra Red video camera.

Cheers!

Thats what I've always believed as well. It's obivous that most of the sightings of UFO's are average people seeing some classifed projects being tested. It's not far fetched that the average person could see things that they could not place in this world if they were ever to see classifed projects.

I DO believe that Earth has been and is being visited by beings from another world. They are probably the source of most technology in recent history. I just do not believe that they would allow themselves to be seen to people they did not want seeing them. Aliens presumably would be smarter than us since they travel through space and I would assume they would contact those in power and not the average person if they were to contact Earth

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So we have to assume that a trained crew was unable to distinguish neither a ground object from a flying one, nor a static object from a moving one, giving even variable speed and heading (were they dreaming or what?): now this is interesting. I'm not impressed by a mile long page which content is 99% UNRELATED to the sighting (they just extracted the part of the video that they tought were useful in order to back up their THEORY: and by the way, why that guy still hasn't explained the radar tracking? Will he find ANOTHER explanation to it? And how does it comes that the object are some times visible at the nerest side of the clouds?




Arguments against oil well fires:

• There are no flickering/changing shapes of the lights
  
  
• The objects appeared in front of clouds and could not be distant
  
  
• The FLIR did not have the range to see the oil well fires
  
  
• The camera was not pointing in the right direction
  
  
• The angle of elevation was too high for oil well fires
  
  

UFOs Or Simply Oil Well Flames? - Bruce Maccabee replies to Alejandro Franz


See also:
/3bjx5l
www.rense.com...

Mexico's FLIR Representative Talks About Air Force Images

Santiago Yturria Statement On Mexican UFO Case

The complete analysis by Bruce Maccabee,
"A STUDY OF THE MARCH 5, 2004 RADAR AND FLIR SIGHTINGS DURING A SURVEILLANCE FLIGHT BY THE MEXICAN DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE
(62 pages)
can be downloaded here:
brumac.8k.com...

Ah, BTW: the original, unedited MPEG file of the Mexico video can be downloaded H E R E
courtesy:
UFO Casebook
Mike, not only the question about the clouds is unanswered: NO ONE so far provided EVIDENCES that those were ground targets, despite it should be very easy to do: the first radar target IS still unexplained because it had a rather large radar cross-section and was traveling at high speed, so what?


Just a reminder: before this attempt of debunking, they tried to dismiss these ufos as:

Meteors______
Ball Lightning__
Gas__________
Balloons______

So what's next?


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If I remember correctly, the national geographic channel did an episode of "Is It Real?" about UFO's and this piece of video was analyzed in that episode. Some people claimed that the heat signatures were not UFO's but actually flames from a refinery off in the ocean. If you look closely at some points i think I remember actually seeing reflections of these light sources off the water? It's been a while. It would explain why they seem to be following the plane at least..

-ChriS

One thing that bothered me about this Mexican Air Force case, was that they never went up and duplicated the effect or showed that it could not be seen from that position.

The diagrams are all fairly impressive and the many different points to prove what you would think would be a simple thing in going up again seemed overkill.

I imagine, it would be expensive to duplicate the flight verbatim from flight record, and the cost of using the FLIR, but it would either show it was the oil rigs, or show it could not be explained. The radar was interesting too. but without the science which demands "duplicating the experiment to prove it". It is still theory.

I was thinking of using Google Earth or NASA's World Wind to set points and overlay this guys diagrams, but I have fires to put out here, and love of the subject don't pay the bills. It can all be done by anyone however. Send us any screen shots!

ZG

Very interesting thread !
I have been searching for the famous photo I remember first being shown (I believe , in a ufo book or mag in the 60's) of a military (bomber?) and in the not to distant back ground toward the tail of said photo following discretly, was a classic flying saucer> As I remember in the article, the photo was analized throughly and passed all test. (as I remember I think it was a promotional picture of new airforce bomber or transport type plane, the air force was showing off..and the flying saucer was off to the rear in the distance and a blow-up in the article of the UFO showed the thing to be a classic UFO (as I said above) remember that??

anyway, here is a site I found taht's interesting with stuff related to thread.

source for link I'm posting is : The UFO Iconoclast(s)

link+ ufocon.blogspot.com...

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i could have SWORN i've seen that viseo before on the web...maybe it was a similar vid.

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I want to Thank you also.
Very Interesting Topic.
I'm sure there's a lot more... Just need to the right people to help.
And this is a Good Place for that!

MikeSingh,

sorry for the late reply; I was visiting other forums.

I believe that my father had used a typical 1970's camera, nothing high tech, and had the associated negatives in his possession with the original picture.

I recall that he had also given away the negatives as well, because he was a Lt Col at the time, and had no reason to believe that his own government would "steal his stuff."

The negatives and developed pic were never returned.

I asked him what the picture looked like, but he never wanted to discuss it. My mother told me it was a UFO, not a reflection, not a flash of light, but a solid-looking classically shaped (saucer) UFO.

I really wish he would discuss it...but after 30 years it seems unlikely.

I finally found that picture I mentioned in my previous post. take a look-see

www.ufoevidence.org...

this photo was the first to pop into my mind when this thread started
really cool and natural I thought when I first saw it.

source=ufo evidence.org



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Yeah internos, that's what I've been saying all along. We have so called 'experts' who try their darnedest to debunk anything and everything with some outlandish arguments. But unfortunately, the majority of fence sitters tend to believe what these 'experts' spew out without analyzing it themselves.



Hey! You forgot our popular whipping boy - Venus_________

Cheers!

Pics 1 and 3 got me....

Good to see you still hard at work Mike

Wow! Thanks RUFFREADY! I haven't seen this pic before. This is a pretty good one. Keep 'em comin'!!

Cheers!

they are Nephilim.....they are returning. they are inner dimensional and not what people think. Long story short.


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Senior Air Force Officer Confirms UFO In Our Skies!

I was discussing this thread with my neighbor, a retired Air Vice Marshal, who is a highly decorated fighter pilot, whether he has had any encounters with UFOs during his long career.

He wasn’t very forthcoming initially, but then came out with an incident in which he was head of an investigation committee to enquire into a sighting by one of his pilots, a squadron leader, posted in his fighter wing.

He along with his wingman, took off at around 0530h on a practice sortie. At about 30,000 feet the pilot radioed a bogie, an egg-shaped metallic object, at 2 O’clock, approx 40,000 feet high and stationary at an apparent distance of 10 miles. At that distance it was as big as an egg at arms length.

He radioed for instructions and was asked to investigate by base ops as this was not visible on radar screens. Both aircraft turned and made a steep climb toward the object. As the aircraft were closing in, there was a blinding flash from the object after which it retreated at such tremendous speed that it vanished within 3 seconds flat!!

The investigation concluded it was an unknown object of unknown origin. Where is the investigation report, the video etc? It was all hushed up and no one was allowed to talk about the incident!!

Now all this from the horse’s mouth! The man who was not only involved in the investigation, but was heading the committee!

Cheers!


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Astronaut Gordon Cooper Witnesses UFO Landing at Edwards AFB

Source: Ufo evidence / Read more here


Source: Pacbell / Read more here

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Project 1947 - Edwards AFB, May 3, 1957


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Check this one out too! MiG pilots chasing a cylindrical UFO which speeds up to about Mach 3 within a few seconds! (Embedding vid disabled by request).

www.youtube.com...

And here's another one. A UFO caught on KGB film from MIG filming an F-16.

YouTube Link

Cheers!


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Mike, there's a controversial about the MIG chase video (i say it before someone else does :


Source:
Virtually strange

But, most important:


Source:
Virtually strange
But i don't know if there are updates about it...


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