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reply posted on 13-2-2008 @ 11:46 PM by TXMACHINEGUNDLR

reply to post by Springer

I agree. I worked in a airport as a kid, and UFOs were never talked about. I worked the private jet area at Tahoe and from 14-17 cant recall hearing about anything about UFOs or strange anything. Other than weather and woman.

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 01:08 AM by internos

reply to post by Kaiser Sohse

A pilot who has posted a comment to the pics, guessed that the frames in the animation may be reversed: keep in mind that these are stills from a video: it seems that the original video from which the stills have been cropped is still not availabe to the public due to a controversial about the equipment used: the pilot was flying the plane while not on duty and was transporting it as a favor to save the government money, for this reason he claims to be the legitimate owner of the images: he also hired an attorney and wants the video to be released to the public.
There's a note below the photos, that reads:

Note: The above images have been compressed for webviewing
from a larger format and therefore cannot be used for analysis.
Please do not send analysis as it will not be credible under compression.

Credit: Rense
www.rense.com...

This makes me hope that the quality of the video is very good: and so it must be, since he was flying a reconnaisance airplane, with the whole equipment.
Kal Korff bought a copy of the video, but i have no idea if the video is somehow avilable: i couldn't find it.
About the clouds, there's this interesting comment from another pilot, in the same page in which Rense published the article:

From: Harry Taggart
I am also a pilot with 30 years experience and a former air traffic controller. I find the still clips of the Hungarian UFO fascinating and believe the Hungarian pilot's explanation of filming while flying "left to right" is the correct point of view and the 1-2-3 sequence provided IS probably reversed. The cloud development seems to be consistent with the UFO traveling from right to left as the observation plane travels from left to right. Cloud details in a reversed, or 3-2-1 sequence show degradation and loss of definition, as would be expected. If Stephen Smith's analysis were correct, the cloud mass would be shrinking and forming clear edges. In all my years of flying I've never seen clouds compress. Good luck obtaining the video. I'd be anxious to see more.
-Harry Taggart,
Lakeland, FL

Credit: Rense
www.rense.com...

It would be GREAT to find the video, and Kal Korff has a copy of it...

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reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 01:37 AM by mikesingh

Originally posted by pmexplorer
Excellent evidence was provided by these mexican air force pilots :

"summary: Mexican Air Force pilots filmed 11 unidentified flying objects in the skies over southern Campeche state in Mexico, a Mexican Defense Department spokesman confirmed. A videotape was made widely available to the news media. The lights were filmed using infrared equipment. They appeared to be flying at an altitude of about 3,500 meters (11,480 feet), and allegedly surrounded the Air Force jet."

www.ufoevidence.org...

And here's the vid of that incident taken through FLIR video camera by the pilots...

YouTube Link

Originally posted by internos
It would be GREAT to find the video, and Kal Korff has a copy of it...

Now how the devil can we lay our hands on that vid? Beg, borrow or steal it? I'd prefer the first two options. If that doesn't work, then the third option may be considered!!

Cheers!

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reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 02:02 AM by internos

reply to post by mikesingh

On Ufologie.net there's a well documented article about it:
The big news Mexican military UFO report of March 5, 2004

It includes:

Case summary.
Excerpts of 3 crew interview.
Crew conversations in the C-26 plane during the incident.
A report by Rodolfo Garrido Cotham (still in French).
Press briefing.
Secretary of Defense answers some allegations.
The opinion of a FLIR specialist.
The opinion of the deputy-director of the Mexican Weather Service.
Questions and answers.
How the media reported the story.
The instant-explanation craze.

Souce: ufologie.net...
it's interesting to read the crew conversations transcript while looking at the video

About Mr. Korff, i'm going to send you his mail address (hoping that it still works) via U2U

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reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 02:20 AM by ZeroGhost

Good set Mike. Flagging-star

I'm wondering how many current pilots carry cams and have shots they will not show until they retire? I know a couple of professional and ex-military who have told me their stories.

One is a pilot for FedEx. He flies the big cargo jets, McDonnell Douglas MD-11(F) aircraft. He told me while at a cruising altitude, him and his crew saw a bright glowing disc rising from the ground coming strait up, and it went into a cloud layer, the cloud lit up like a florescent tube, and it continued out, accelerated strait up and out of site. Everyone in the cabin saw it clearly.

Another friend who was a pilot for oil executives out of Abu Dubi said he saw several UFOs the years he flew there.

Even though these guys where pretty good friends, they did not elaborate details. The atmosphere in the cockpit is much different than the one with management. They might as well be busted for drinking rather than a sighting a UFO for the damage it does to their reputation and flight status. I have great respect for any commercial pilot who tells their story.

I can only imagine the footage from gun military cameras for the last 50 years that's been canned and banned.

You know, like Stevenville, they are the first ones on the scene, and pack awesome optics.

I got a DVD last year "UFO Pilot Sightings" 45min.. Netflix did not have it so I paid and ordered it. It is an OK documentary, but Torrentz or other on-line sources have it. Worth having, but would like to see a better production.

ZG

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reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 03:02 AM by dreamingawake

Thanks for the thread. These are some of the better of ufo pics/evidence that I've seen. Hope to see more as this thread developes and has me getting more interested in the topic again.

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 03:03 AM by internos

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
Good set Mike. Flagging-star

I got a DVD last year "UFO Pilot Sightings" 45min.. Netflix did not have it so I paid and ordered it. It is an OK documentary, but Torrentz or other on-line sources have it. Worth having, but would like to see a better production.

I don't know if these ones are the same you're talking about:

UFO pilot sightings 01

UFO pilot sightings 02

UFO pilot sightings 03

UFO pilot sightings 04

UFO pilot sightings 05

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 05:50 AM by wu kung

reply to post by mikesingh

Good stuff.
I can only imagine the things that some pilots have seen that haven't been reported.
Once again Mikesingh, you've outdone yourself.
Well done.

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 07:35 AM by mikesingh

Originally posted by internos
On Ufologie.net there's a well documented article about it:
The big news Mexican military UFO report of March 5, 2004

Yeah! And this is what I liked most...

"It is noteworthy to remember that all the military personnel on this type of missions, is composed of highly qualified people, because they operate in a very significant sector of national safety. By taking account of this, it is interesting and surprising to listen to the audio recording of the mission, how the expressions of the members of the crew went from emotion to shock.

Thus, when we listen to the conversations between them, we hear expressions like "guys, today is our lucky day." Of all, that which we regard as the most memorable moment of the recording is when they say: "guys... we are not alone..."
ufologie.net...

Now that's what points to SOLID EVIDENCE of the reality of UFOs. But we've probably got to figure out whether they are alien or otherwise. I think it's more likely alien, as black projects wouldn't be getting so many of their esoteric craft together flying in formation, would they?

Cheers!

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 09:49 AM by sparkofdivine

My father was in the Airforce for 20+ years, attained the rank of Colonel, and was head of a very important base.

He also flew reconaissance missions in Vietnam.

Sometime in the late seventies (I can't recall exactly when, as I was born in 1974,) he photographed a UFO while flying in a commercial aircraft.
A few other passengers photographed the UFO as well.

He had the pictures developed, and apparently thought they were of very good quality. He gave them to some higher ups at the Pentagon where he was working at the time. He inquired as to what their opinion was on the UFO, and was told "What UFO? You never gave us any pictures."

This was all told to me by my mother, some years later. When I asked my father about it, he would always brush it off, and say "It was nothing."

However, I know it was not "nothing", as my mother said it had quite an effect on him.

As a result of this incident, and some others (which he would never elaborate on,) he came to distrust the government he once held in such high esteem.

His attitude now, is literally, "F-them".

Just sharing my family's experience.

I do not find it likely that the US military had such high-tech flying objects in development in the 70's (The SR-71 not withstanding).

Are they alien?
Are they from the future?
Are they from another dimension?
Are they some sort of disparately evolved terrestrial intelligence?

I have no idea. But I hope to know the truth some day.

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 10:32 AM by dreb13

Don't forget about the audio from Black Box recorders which in my opinion provide an even better account than a photo. They say a picture is worth a thousand words but when it comes to pics of UFO's, it seems like its the other way around because nowadays, people pass too much off as CGI/Photoshop. Pilot audio is worth more than pics.

Here is one of the threads from the History Channel program

Black Box UFO Secrets

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reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 12:24 PM by commodore64

reply to post by mikesingh

Sorry to dissapoint you guys but Mexican Pilot Video is debunked already.
See: www.alcione.org...

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 01:57 PM by maybereal11

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but I believe that there has been discussion and reasonable arguments made explaining the black and white aerial photgraph with the disk as an error.

I don't remember where I saw it, but I think the explanation offered was that those aerial photographs where taken from inside a cabin of an airplane and that the disk shown is actually a reflection of a flash from another camera or light in the window of the aircraft from inside the dark cabin. You know the convex shiny inverted cone that the bulb is surrounded by similiar to a flashlight. It is a reflection of this on the inner window. This accounts for why the disk isn't oval in the way it should be even accounting for perspective. The top looks clipped. This is because the light that is reflecting in the window is tilted forward and not in line with the photograph. The off colored darker portion of the "Disk" could be part of the bulb. Imagine and old flash bulb or flashlight and what the actual bulb is cradled in. now imagine it reflected on an interior window. I could be wrong.

The rest of the evidence looks pretty convincing.

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 02:14 PM by ruggedtoast

reply to post by Springer

I was told by a pilot that apparently pilots wont talk about ufos, though most have seen a few, is that there was a pilot who was quite vocal about some objects he thought he'd seen over canada.

Not long after the same pilot crashed, apparently intentionally, into the sea. Right after that every other pilot in the airline who'd talked about UFOs was pulled off duty and given psych evaluations.

These days talking about ufos is the quickest way to lose your wings.

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 02:17 PM by ZeroGhost

reply to post by internos

That's it.

Oh Crud, I could have saved the money. Great find, it's like being able to give the show to everyone! Thanks

I keep forgetting how much is being put on the video sites. From now on I'll look there first. Live and learn.

Thanks again.

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 03:00 PM by ZeroGhost

Originally posted by commodore64
reply to post by mikesingh

Sorry to dissapoint you guys but Mexican Pilot Video is debunked already.
See: www.alcione.org...

What concerns me is that such well debunked cases go unnoticed and videos and reports continue to pollute the actual UFO reality record.

A clearing house for such would be a good move toward understanding and convincing others with a cleaned table of real unknowns and active investigations.

ZG

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 03:07 PM by Nohup

Originally posted by ZeroGhost
What concerns me is that such well debunked cases go unnoticed and videos and reports continue to pollute the actual UFO reality record.

A clearing house for such would be a good move toward understanding and convincing others with a cleaned table of real unknowns and active investigations.

Well, that's kind of what this place does, or can do, anyway. But there's no way to filter out people who are just getting interested in UFOs and coming across these old cases from digging them up again. The best you can do is keep pointing them in the direction of the previous debunking and hope they pick up on it. Some people, unfortunately, will refuse to listen to reason, particularly if it isn't what they want to hear.

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 03:40 PM by darkspace

reply to post by internos

does anyone know if the pictures from the last case mentioned, is published anywhere?

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 06:31 PM by internos

reply to post by darkspace

I think that you mean the sighting by flights Air Shuttle 5959 and Masaba 3179: i've not been able to find the photo so far (and i don't know if it has been released).

There's a thread about it on ATS
Pilot's saw the ORBS over Lake Erie as well!

Here you can find the transcript and the audio (.mp3)

reply posted on 14-2-2008 @ 06:38 PM by darkspace

reply to post by internos

thanks , i'll look into those pages to see if i can find some more info. interesting stuff these recordings.