Prince Charles: 'Ban McDonald's for better health'

What happened to people being responsible for themselves and what they eat? For kids, it must be up to parents to teach them good eating habits as well as exercise habits. You dont blame the food, its the persons fault. I eat fast food sometimes, but I make a point to eat good meals most of the time. Its important that we not blame inanimate objects for the problems of humanity, but us humans ourselves.

bah! sorry for the one line edit. so here are some more lines.

It doesnt say stay back 1500 feet on the back of my work truck for nothing!

nothing to see here folks move along!

[edit on 28-2-2007 by LoneGunMan]

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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Good,
Maybe all you fat, oily buttber balls who choke up welfare payments because theye are to damn heavy to get off the couch will start looking at themselves in a mirror.

Of course Charles and family are always 'off the couch' doing a hard days work to keep off the pounds! And contribute to societys needs for welfare!

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by jsobecky
Good points.

Oh, and LoneGunMan, will you please stop posting your picture with every one of your responses?

Was that a personal attack?

Lighten up, sister, it was a light-hearted joke.

Sorry what do you do for YOUR community friend?

I do what I do. More than many, not as much as some.

Originally posted by Ikema
And the marketing… don’t get me started. My 1st child would scream, “DONALD’S!” at 16 months, solely from watching “Barney” on PBS no less.

Actually you are very fortunate. You could fill an empty McD's container with healthy foods and feed it to your child; he/she would never know the difference. And at the same time, giving your child the healthiest foods around and instill good eating habits.

Ah Now even the British press is coming down on Charlie boy



Imagine that a pastie has more calories then a Big Mac


Guess Charlie needs to do some brushing up before opening mouth and inserting foot.




[edit on 3/1/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by jsobecky
Actually you are very fortunate. You could fill an empty McD's container with healthy foods and feed it to your child; he/she would never know the difference. And at the same time, giving your child the healthiest foods around and instill good eating habits.

Your missing the point, I cannot use very good parable here because I was pointed out the T&C by a very fair moderator. It is all about target marketing at such an early age. Just like when the tobbaco companies made smoking look to be a cool thing to do. These things stay in the subconciece mind forever. It is a form of brainwashing.

It is why so many will defend big corporations, no matter what they do. A lot of people have been brainwashed at an early age. A lot of this has to do with the cold war, that war was a two front attack by the corporations. One os the motives was to make the miltary industrial complex permanent. The other was to make anything anti-corporate/anti-freemarket look anti-American.

The neo-conservative movement that is anything but conservative was the net result. You cannot fix the problem without knowing what the problem is. Kind of like blindfolding the archer and telling him to hit the target.

The advertising done by Mc Donalds is shamefuly wort than other companies because they target our children and the product they are selling is bad for you.

Gonna ban the candy companies for targeting children and rotting out all their little teeth? [quite pre-Cold War, btw...]

McDonalds provides a product. They force noone, not even impressionable little kids, to buy it. You want someone to blame for all the fat little kids running around? Blame the parents.


[edit on 1-3-2007 by apc]

Originally posted by apc
Blame the parents.

Are you a parent? Any idea what being parents in this commerial saturated country is like? Think outside the box re-read what I have said without the effects of a lifetime of TV, meditate then stop watching all media for at least a month meditate again then tell me what you are capable of thinking.

You can drive all the way to the coast at night with nothing but your headlights.

You cant turn them on unless you know where the switch is.

Not a whole lot different than it was fifty years ago, I'd imagine. Except of course for all the morons running around trying to blame Corporate America for all their personal problems.

Don't like what your kid is eating? Don't feed them it!

Don't like what your kid is watching on TV? Don't let them watch it!

Don't like what your kid is learning in school? Don't send them to that school!

I would really like you to answer my question though instead of continuing to divert into these asinine attempts at metaphorical enlightenment:

Should candy be banned?

If you say yes, then I guess my attempt at shedding some logic on your warped little world view is futile. If you say no however, then please explain exactly why fast food is so much worse and worthy of banishment?

Originally posted by apc

Should candy be banned?

If you say yes, then I guess my attempt at shedding some logic on your warped little world view is futile. If you say no however, then please explain exactly why fast food is so much worse and worthy of banishment?

My warped little world. I will not take your bait, I am trying to be more forgiving in my life, I am trying to shake you out of your box but the box you have placed yourself in is strong.

What kind of candy do you speak of? Eye candy? Adult candy? Are you talking about fine confections? I dont see a candy shop on nearly every corner of America. They dont have playhouses for the children or aggressivly brainwash them with commercials. We are not talking about a food catagory.

We are talking about a company that JUST doesnt care. I dont believe we should ban McDonalds, I think they should like I said earlier have some severe restraint placed on them with the aggressive ads towards children.

Do you listen beyond the noise you have chosen to injest into your mind? My world is warped because I think people should be heald above profit?

I carry a pager with me 24/7. People dial 911 and I ask no questions no matter what time it is and I go to help them.

Pretty warped huh?

Look out its the boogeyman!!




This is how I keep my pants.





DTOM I am backing away. My job is not animal control. I am fire/rescue.

[edit on 1-3-2007 by LoneGunMan]

Ah... here we go again with the "I'm a firefighter so my view is supreme." gag.

Candy stores aren't everywhere... but it is in every gas station and convenience store.

But you're saying you really don't have a problem with the product? You have a problem with the marketing?

So for some reason you feel that having good locations and effective advertisements is worthy of banishment so long as you think the product being advertised is bad for you?

Commercials don't force anyone to do anything. Ronald McDonald doesn't go door to door kidnapping children and dragging them to his magical playpen. Once again, take some responsibility for your own actions and keep your nose out of everyone elses business. You might be surprised how nice this Corporate America is to live in.

[edit on 1-3-2007 by apc]

Originally posted by apc
Ah... here we go again with the "I'm a firefighter so my view is supreme." gag.

So you're saying you really don't have a problem with the product? You have a problem with the marketing?

So for some reason you feel that having good locations and effective advertisements is worthy of banishment so long as you think the product being advertised is bad for you?

Commercials don't force anyone to do anything. Ronald McDonald doesn't go door to door kidnapping children and dragging them to his magical playpen. Once again, take some responsibility for your own actions and keep your nose out of everyone elses business. You might be surprised how nice this Corporate America is to live in.

Ok you win. I am wrong and you are right. We need to be responcible but the corporations do not.

You were trying to paint me into a catagory of a warped metephysical hippy. I have shown you who I am from the inside out.

I am a man, all man. hahahah Dont some people wish they could say the same thing?

LGM is clear of scene.

[edit on 1-3-2007 by LoneGunMan]

Originally posted by Ikema
This seems like a largely posted subject so I apologize if this was already mentioned but here's my two cents...

To me the "real" conspiracy is why McDonald’s makes such unhealthy food to begin with. Not only does McDonald’s sell “billions n billions” but they also produce their “processed” food for a major majority of the US’s public schools too!

The key word is “processed.” This form of “solvent green” is purposely produced and distributed. If any have seen “Super Size Me” you would realize this garbage is poison, pure and simple.

And the marketing… don’t get me started. My 1st child would scream, “DONALD’S!” at 16 months, solely from watching “Barney” on PBS no less.

So you stopped eating McDonald's ... good for you ... myself I rarely go to fast food. But it's still a choice I have and one I can make on my own without the government being involved.

McDonald's makes such "unhealthy" food because it is all mass processed ... hence the word processed. That's why they can sell a cheeseburger for under $1 ... they buy in massive bulk, have everything flash frozen and ready to be cooked after delivery. Basically the local McD's is either reheating or quickly cooking prepared food. There's no solvent green conspiracy ... just a company out to make a buck, nothing wrong with that. If people don't like their processed, unhealthy food they will stop going and McD's will be forced to change their ways to meet the needs of their customers.

Super Size Me was a joke ... everyone who even heard the premise of the movie before watching it thought "ewww ... that's not good". That tells you right there ... we know fast food is bad but sometimes we like an indulgence or simply don't have the time to prepare our own food. There are days that I work 16 hours, commute an hour each way to work and that leaves me a whole 6 hours at home to rest, shower and get back to work. On those days I just might go to a fast food joint .. though I do try to hit a sandwich shop instead.

My little guy was exposed to all forms of commercialism, like any other good American child, but somehow I find the ability to tell him no he can't go there everytime we drive by. It's not that hard if your little ones know that when you say no you're not going to change your mind. If you don't want your child exposed to commercials don't let them watch any TV channels with ads.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by jsobecky
Actually you are very fortunate. You could fill an empty McD's container with healthy foods and feed it to your child; he/she would never know the difference. And at the same time, giving your child the healthiest foods around and instill good eating habits.

Your missing the point, I cannot use very good parable here because I was pointed out the T&C by a very fair moderator. It is all about target marketing at such an early age. Just like when the tobbaco companies made smoking look to be a cool thing to do. These things stay in the subconciece mind forever. It is a form of brainwashing.

I totally understand and agree with your point about target marketing. I was only pointing out how this particular parent could turn it around and use it to her and her child's advantage in this one specific case.

We are in violent agreement on this particular point.

Since I was ignored the first time around I'll say it again, is there a place I can go and hear exactly what Prince Charles actually said rather then what the media is reporting on what he supposedly said?

The reason why I'm curious about this is there was a similar gaffe, about him saying some irresponsible things about Nanotech development and it turned out he didn't say anything even remotely what he was reported to have said. Until then, I'm gonna keep this filed under the "Suspicious" category for now. I just don't trust print reporting anymore, especially on the 'net.

Originally posted by sardion2000
Since I was ignored the first time around I'll say it again, is there a place I can go and hear exactly what Prince Charles actually said rather then what the media is reporting on what he supposedly said?

I think I found what he really said but I am not positive. Hope this helps.

It looks like something the media would try and make an issue out of.

His Royal Highness was, as usual, making a thankless tour of an obscure public institution — the Imperial College London Diabetes Center — when he asked a nutritionist whether the statelet, which has one of the world’s highest rates of adult diabetes, had “gotten anywhere with McDonald’s.” “Have you tried getting it banned?” the Prince asked. “That’s the key.”



Source

Kind of looks like he asked a question rather then making it as a statement. I.e. Ban McDonald's as is/was implied.

[edit on 3/1/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by jsobecky

I totally understand and agree with your point about target marketing. I was only pointing out how this particular parent could turn it around and use it to her and her child's advantage in this one specific case.

We are in violent agreement on this particular point.

Well thank you jsobecky. I am glad you feel the same as I do about our children. You made me feel good and I thank you.