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Originally posted by karby
well i don't know about all of them but i do know that 1 works at the pizzaria down the street from my school.
Originally quoted by jsobecky
When you randomly "enclose words or phrases" with quotation marks, it gives the impression that others have used those terms. Most often, nobody except you have used them.
Originally quoted by jsobecky
What have I said to or about you? I challenge you.
Originally quoted by jsobecky
Who would want to be "people like you"?
Hypocrite.
Originally quoted by jsobecky
Or else please stop stalking me around from thread to thread, bringing up the past. I believe that is against the T&C. Yes, it is. Right here in this thread
Originally quoted by FlyersFan
My God ... she's a sick puppy. Go get some
help Ceci. You are in desperate need of it. I doubt you even know what reality
is anymore.
Originally quoted by FlyersFan
wrapped in passive/aggressive
Originally quoted by FlyersFan
I don't think that the mexican-american population votes republican. I'll have to look up stats ... but I'm pretty sure it's like the black population...democrat and social giveaways.
Originally quoted by FlyersFan
Go to college. Get educated.
Originally quoted by FlyersFan
Go to college. Get educated. I suggest sociology.
You might learn something. Then again ... considering
it's you ... you probably won't.
Originally quoted by jsobecky
You lost a lot of your credibility as a serious thinker and poster. You lost a lot of your debating privileges, too, because most serious thinkers see you for what you are, and can't be bothered with you anymore.
[...]
You have an insecurity problem; you need acceptance to validate your life. "Let's see what the mods think about this" and "we think such and such is true" are very telling statements from you.
I don't dodge questions. At least not from serious thinkers.
Interesting how he (and apparently you) were discriminated against by American blacks and he at least was much more accepted by American whites. Do you find that American white people are/were as critical of you?
for the most part, yes. my mom was telling us about a patient of hers. she still has a thick accent and this patient would insult her ethnicity any which way he could, telling her that she should go back to her country and whatnot. then 5 minutes later would be rejecting the other nurses on the floor trying to give him his medication. he'd be asking for my mom. his reason? "oh, she's a good nurse. at least she's nice to me." hmph. go figure.
Do you feel that you and your family have moved through the sometimes stupid and ignorant American culture to make your place here and become successful?
Are you glad to be here?
For the most part, do you find people still as stupid as they were in your childhood or do they look beyond the tint of your skin and the texture of your hair to see the person that you are?
sister, you mean. i'm female. and yeah, Howard is a really great school. though i think i worded my post wrong. i don't have my degree yet, i'm still a year shy of getting it. but i am well on my way and i'm not slowing down.
Originally posted by ceci2006
karby,
Thank you for your contribution to this thread. You do not know how much I have been wanting a different voice to contribute here for a long time. I have read your other posts on various threads and found your work to be very fascinating and erudite. I am glad that you finally come to grace us with your presence. Welcome from the bottom of my heart.
You have answered my prayers in many ways. I've read your story and it touched me. The tale of your family strikes a chord with me. And I know that it couldn't have been easy. But still you continue to persevere.
I'm sorry that you have had to experience racism on both ends. That has to do with fear and being misunderstood on many levels. My brother, the only thing I can say is that even with all that, you have managed to articulate that a lot of us have been trying to say. You even kept on and continued to triumph. And congrats from being at Howard and succeeding. I have had a relative and friends graduate from there. I am especially proud of the successes of your father, mother and siblings.
Please continue to share your insight here with us because you bring a very different perspective here that can help compliment that we have been trying to articulate during this long and very complex thread.
I appreciate and am gratified that you have come. I will be very interested your insights and perceptions into this subject matter.
[edit on 12-9-2006 by ceci2006]
Originally quoted by karby
Howard is a really great school. though i think i worded my post wrong. i don't have my degree yet, i'm still a year shy of getting it. but i am well on my way and i'm not slowing down.
thank you ceci. i want to participate in a way that will make anything i contribute meaningful. i will try to address any of the questions i am able to answer.
I contend that popular representations of heterosexual black men are bipolar. Those images alternate between a Bad Black Man who is crime-prone and
hypersexual and a Good Black Man who distances himself from blackness and
associates with white norms. The threat of the Bad Black Man label provides
heterosexual black men with an assimilationist incentive to perform our
identities consistent with the Good Black Man image.
The reason for bipolar black masculinity is that it helps resolve the white
mainstream’s post-civil rights anxiety. That anxiety results from the conflict
between the nation’s relatively recent determination that some black men merit
inclusion into the mainstream and its longer-standing and ongoing belief that
most black men should be excluded. Bipolar black masculinity addresses that
anxiety by clearly demarcating which black men merit inclusion — only those
who fit the assimilationist ideal.
...
...this Part of the Article details the two predominant images of heterosexual black men: the Bad Black Man and the Good Black Man. The first section describes key aspects of the image of the Bad Black Man. He is animalistic, crime-prone, and
sexually unrestrained. The second section explicates the message of the
image of the Good Black Man. He is supposed to distance himself from
black people and assimilate into white culture. The third section argues
the images combine to provide an assimilationist incentive for black men
to emulate white norms.
My model of the behavior of corporate executives draws from the
identity performance school of jurisprudence. Briefly, it holds that, in
many workplaces, promotion is not based solely on the amount of
widgets you produce. Performance is often difficult to measure and
is instead judged based on a subjective evaluation that is influenced by
one’s relationships with higher-ups. For that reason, one’s reputation
within the institution, one’s attributed identity, may be as important to
advancement as one’s actual performance. The minority employee will
attempt to create the impression that is rewarded by the corporation by
engaging in identity performance practices, such as sending emails at
late hours, in order to imply he is hardworking.
In order to succeed, black men will engage in behavior that conforms
to corporate expectations. It turns out that corporations provide
assimilationist incentives designed to make it likely that only those black
men who affirm white male norms will succeed. That approach is
successful, as those minorities who make it to the upper echelons of
corporations tend to adopt strategies that do not promote, and
sometimes even harm, the interests of their racial group.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
That's not to say that the idea of "good blacks and bad blacks" that is supposedly the meat of this discussion was once a very important and ruling mindset in this country. But no more. If you believe that, you're living in the past.
I get the feeling sometimes that until EVERY SPECK of racism is blotted out, you (generic) will hold it against "white people".
it's unfair and incorrect to say that the "dominant culture" ("white people") needs to change their definitions. We have. Join us, won't you?
Many times when conversing with people one is not so familiar with, like here, it is not so much what you say, as how you say it. Any fact can be put "out there" and worded in such a way as to inflame one side or another on any issue.
Even those of us that have formal education in debate, can fall victim to the emotional rise caused by information displayed in just such a way. We all are human after all and equally susceptible to all of the natural instinctive reactions to defend ourselves and our positions.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
BH, I gave you those links because they illustrate the false dichotomy and its RL effects on black people (like, not getting a job).
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
The document is 54 pages long.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
That's not to say that the idea of "good blacks and bad blacks" that is supposedly the meat of this discussion was once a very important and ruling mindset in this country.
You're being close-minded. ... I understand that you would like to think all this nasty race business is in the past, but it's truly not.
Cute. Make a joke. I'm very disappointed in you.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I think the best way to start my contributions is through my own experiences.
Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Now, I use that same concept of staying away from the mainstream, because the mainstream thought always tended to be off the mark as far as I could see.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Just a hypothetical example using your excerpt as a format:
In order to succeed, women will engage in behavior that conforms
to patriarchal corporate expectations. That approach is
successful, as those women who make it to the upper echelons of
corporations tend to adopt strategies that do not promote, and
sometimes even harm, the interests of their gender group.
That happens! Look at the women in high corporate and political positions. Many of them are virtually indistinguishable from their male peers as regards morals and values. Not to mention having distanced themselves from what is considered to be "feminine". And notice what they sometimes do to other women to get there.
My model of the behavior of corporate executives draws from the
identity performance school of jurisprudence. Briefly, it holds that, in
many workplaces, promotion is not based solely on the amount of
widgets you produce. Performance is often difficult to measure and
is instead judged based on a subjective evaluation that is influenced by
one’s relationships with higher-ups. For that reason, one’s reputation
within the institution, one’s attributed identity, may be as important to
advancement as one’s actual performance. The minority employee will
attempt to create the impression that is rewarded by the corporation by
engaging in identity performance practices, such as sending emails at
late hours, in order to imply he is hardworking.
In order to succeed, black men will engage in behavior that conforms
to corporate expectations. It turns out that corporations provide
assimilationist incentives designed to make it likely that only those black
men who affirm white male norms will succeed. That approach is
successful, as those minorities who make it to the upper echelons of
corporations tend to adopt strategies that do not promote, and
sometimes even harm, the interests of their racial group.