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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
HH - Perhaps some people have this mindset, but I don't. And I really feel negated when Ceci writes this and you agree so happily. If you don't think white people know how it feels to be the object of racism, think about how it feels for me to hear this.
That quote makes me sick. It's applying a mindset to white people and it sucks. It's not true.
Originally posted by ceci2006
And it is very true that there is a Bad Black/Good Black standard--
Which Blacks do you like better?
And do your Black friends respect you enough to bring these issues of deepness up to you. Or do you scare them off with your high-mindedness? Do you truly scare the crap out of them?
Originally posted by ceci2006
Well, out of the both us, FlyersFan, you are the bigger racist here.
Originally posted by ceci2006
But you use Black people all the time to prove you aren't racist. You use their color, their speech, their music and their history to say so.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
What was it that moved him so much on his pilgrimage that he changed his position and even denounced his earlier anti-white rhetoric?? This is big. It is key.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Listen closely the next time you hear a white person talk about Condi. You'll hear the inference that she's a "good one."
The reason you had to actually invent the terms 'good/bad whites' is because those terms don't exist in the larger American dialect. Why? Because it was white people who divided blacks into good and bad.
I'm sorry that you're disturbed, really, but this isn't our doing. These words and ideas existed way before Ceci and I came to ATS.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
White people like me? You've heard me talk about Condi. Do you think I judge her as a "good one"? I'm a white person. And to separate me out and say "well, maybe you feel one way, but most white people feel the other way so I'll just go ahead and say "white people" and exclude you..." doesn't cut it.
Good Whites and Bad Whites
And I don't blame you for their origin, but I do blame you for perpetuating them.
I had never heard the terms, much less used them before this very day
and I'm pretty enraged that you think bringing up something from the past this way is a great way to get to the meat of the matter.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Okay, fine, BH. The majority, a lot, plupart... whatever. I really feel bad that I may have offended you, but are you disagreeing with the actual point?
BH, that's ridiculous. I say "Go Ceci" for bringing the topic into this discussion, and I'm perpetuating it? Um...ok...I'm not even sure what to say in response to such an illogical train of thought.
Do you consider yourself so well-educated that you know every single thing in the whole world?
Save your rage for those who make the division and then exploit it. We're just talking about it. This is a discussion forum, right?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm not at all convinced that the majority of whites feel this way, however. I'm not buying that.
And I also know it exists for Good Whites and Bad Whites as well. Even if it's not well documented on the Internet, it exists.
... to separate them out by skin color and say that because a number-greater-than-zero of white people feel a certain way, it's ok to perpetuate the notion that "white people feel that way" is a racist concept.
I'm crazy about you HH. That's not going to change because we disagree about something. This is important stuff.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Malcolm made white people fear us, while Martin made people pity us. I prefer fear.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Look at how Ceci responds to the whites in this thread who agree with her.
Originally posted by WestPoint23
Is this really how you view the two men and what they accomplished? I really did not see this coming and I hope you don't think you will get somewhere by making other people fear you HH. Fear is not a means by which you can truly gain respect and acknowledgment, no, not really.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Please, I beg of you, read my sources. I promise, you'll learn something.
Actually, being that one of the links I gave you was about a black person who bought into the false dichotomy, I initially misspoke.
Thank you. I was hoping this wouldn't be a 'thing.' I think you're hot too, in a not- gay way.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Originally posted by jsobecky
Maybe someone who has seen it several times can comment.
Did you read my post on the last page?
It appears that his hajj was key to his decision. But, this being a conspiracy site, one must always consider the fact that he may not have been sincere, and had a deeper motive.
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone question his sincerity. What might that 'deeper motive' have been?
If you would like to do some more research on one of our American heroes, this quote is from wiki. There's a direct link on the last page of this thread.
from FF
What made him change?... Even though Malcolm X was still racist when he died, he had made inroads to shaking off the racism that plagued him.
Didn't I answer this? Is my post not showing or something?
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
This is the first time I've ever heard anyone question his sincerity. What might that 'deeper motive' have been?
Originally posted by jsobecky
I'm just thinking outside the box. As I stated, this is a conspiracy site.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I can hardly find the time to research my own American heroes.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
What made him change?...
I think you gave your idea of what the answer might be.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
You still didn't answer my question.
When I said "one of our American heroes" that's exactly what I meant: OUR, as in our shared American heritage.
OTOH, what were you implying?
from jsobecky
I think you gave your idea of what the answer might be.
from HH
Uh, no, I presented the statement in his own words. What more do you want?
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
OTOH, what were you implying?
Originally posted by jsobecky
I think it's pretty clear. You don't speak for everyone. He was not everybody's idea of an American hero.
Clear enough?
from HH
Uh, no, I presented the statement in his own words. What more do you want?
Originally posted by jsobecky
From you? Nothing, because you're convinced that what you read he meant is the gospel truth and no further thought is necessary.