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ex sf vets speaks out

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posted on May, 23 2006 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by Dronetek

Originally posted by Janus
Im not familier with US dress code, although ill admit his beret looks like a pancake on his head, but saying that ive seen some pretty scruffy ex Army in a hodge podge of ex surplus gear. I dont think this guy is the real deal but we do know things like he describes have happened in the past and will happen again in the future.


So basically you are going to believe what you want regaurdless of the evidence or facts involved?

Also, your hat is one of the most important things to take care of, especially when you are getting your picture taken. Attention to detail is what Rangers pride themselvs on. Without it they are just another group of soldiers.

[edit on 22-5-2006 by Dronetek]


No Absolutly not, as i said i dont think he is for real. i just pointed out a few things thats all. I have seen this kind of thing in the Balkens in the 90,s, and to a much lesser degree in Northern Ireland. All im saying is that it can and does happen, no matter how much you want to believe it doesnt.




posted on May, 23 2006 @ 05:18 AM
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Why no answers cplmacbeth? (aka ivaw vet)

Why start a thread in the context of it being about someone else?, when it is all about you?

You started a thread which has asked a lot of questions. We are only asking you to back up what you have seen and experienced. If your goal is to make the World aware of what happened, then come forward and express your self here.

By any chance did you have your camera with you at any point during your time in Iraq? Don't get me wrong, i don't want, or need to see pictures of the people you said you killed. I just thought you may have gathered evidence to back up your claims.

You were very open in your video, so i would assume that you will be the same here.

The mosque you said you entered whilst the Iraqi's were at prayer. Can you remember the name of it?

The mass graves you mentioned too, would you be able to point them out if the need arose?

The woman holding the three children who you shot, where did you put the bodies? Did you just leave them? or were they taken away to the mass graves?

You see, there are many questions that myself and others want to ask about your experiences. Come and answer, and help us try and understand more of what happened and why.



[edit on 23-5-2006 by Bikereddie]



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 06:21 AM
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Unable to edit my last post, so i will post again.

To Jesse Macbeth, why do you say in your video that you are against all the killing etc, when your profile at
Military.com gives your intrests as 'killing haajis'?

This makes no sense to me at all. Care to enlighten us?

[edit on 23-5-2006 by Bikereddie]



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 06:29 AM
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Here is is loooooong police record.



SEARCH RESULTS
Party Name Date of Birth Party Address Court Case Number 1 JESSE ADAM MACBETH 03/21/1984 PIMA, AZ 85543 Pima Justice J-0502-CR-20040075 2 JESSE ADAM MACBETH 03/21/1984 Graham County Superior S-0500-CR-2004171
CASE DETAIL
Case Number: J-0502-CR-20040075Case Category: CriminalCase Title: ST OF AZ VS JESSE ADAM MACBETCourt: Pima JusticeJudge: DEWEY L BRYCEFiling Date: 03/23/2004Disposition Date: 06/17/2004
Party Name: JESSE ADAM MACBETHParty Type: D 1 - DEFNDT/RESPNDTDate of Birth: 03/21/1984Citation: CNONE Count 1: FALSE REPORTING TO LAW ENFORCEMENTDisposition Date: 06/17/2004Disposition: COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTYCount 2: FRAUDULENT USE OF CREDIT CARDDisposition Date: 06/17/2004Disposition: BOUND OVER TO SUPERIOR COURT
Event DateEvent DescriptionParty6/17/2004 ARRAIGNMENT D 1 6/17/2004 ORIG. FILE TO SUPERIOR COURT D 1 6/17/2004 FELONY PRELIM HEARING HELD D 1 6/17/2004 DEFNDNT BOUND OVER TO SUPR CRT D 1 6/10/2004 WARRANT QUASHED/EXECUTED D 1 6/10/2004 COUNSEL APPOINTED D 1 6/10/2004 I/A HELD: FELONY/MISD/CR TR D 1 6/10/2004 DEFENDANT IN CUSTODY D 1 6/10/2004 PH HEARING SET D 1 6/2/2004 WARRANT ISSUED D 1 4/19/2004 RETURNED UNSERVED D 1 4/16/2004 LETTER RETURNED D 1 3/23/2004 SUMM ISSUED CR,SR,TR,DR,MR,FR D 1 3/23/2004 COMPLAINT FILED-PROSECUTOR D 1
CASE DETAIL
Case Number: S-0500-CR-2004171Case Category: CriminalCase Title: ST OF AZ VS JESSE ADAM MACBETCourt: Graham County SuperiorJudge: R DOUGLAS HOLTFiling Date: 06/17/2004Disposition Date: 09/28/2004
Party Name: JESSE ADAM MACBETHParty Type: D 1 - DEFNDT/RESPNDTDate of Birth: 03/21/1984Citation: CNONE Count 1: FRAUDULENT USE OF CREDIT CARDDisposition Date: 09/28/2004Disposition: GUILTY
Event DateEvent DescriptionParty5/1/2006 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 5/1/2006 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 4/1/2006 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 4/1/2006 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 3/1/2006 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 3/1/2006 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 2/1/2006 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 2/1/2006 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 1/13/2006 ME STATUS CONFERENCE 1/1/2006 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 1/1/2006 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 12/9/2005 ORDER SETTING 12/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 12/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 11/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 11/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 10/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 10/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 9/23/2005 * D 1 9/23/2005 PET TO REVOKE PROBATION 9/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 9/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 8/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 8/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 7/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 7/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 6/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 6/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 5/9/2005 RELEASE ORDER 5/9/2005 NOTICE OF RIGHTS AFTER J'___' 5/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 5/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 4/25/2005 ME REVOCATION ARRAIGNMENT 4/25/2005 ARREST/BOOKING RECORD 4/25/2005 * D 1 4/18/2005 * D 1 4/18/2005 PET TO REVOKE PROBATION 4/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 4/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 3/1/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 3/1/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 2/14/2005 FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES D 1 2/14/2005 FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION D 1 2/1/2005 AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE 11/29/2004 NOTICE TO RECORDER OF A FELONY 10/5/2004 PROBATION TRANSFER FEE 1 TIME D 1 9/28/2004 RELEASE ORDER 9/28/2004 VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT 9/28/2004 FUND: 2002 PROBATION SURCHARGE D 1 9/28/2004 FUND: TIME PYMT $20 JCEF D 1 9/28/2004 PROBATION D 1 9/28/2004 CONDITIONS OF PROBATION 9/28/2004 FUND: BASE FINE D 1 9/28/2004 FUND: 2002 SURCHARGES (80%) D 1 9/28/2004 ME SENTENCING (26.16, RCrP) 9/28/2004 FUND: PUBLIC DEF ADMIN FEE D 1 9/28/2004 JAIL/PRISON D 1 9/28/2004 FUND: PROSECUTION COSTS D 1 9/28/2004 SENT RESTITUTION D 1 9/16/2004 CONDITIONS OF RELEASE ORDER 9/13/2004 * D 1 9/13/2004 ME CONTINUANCE 9/8/2004 IA ON FTA WARRANT 9/8/2004 RELEASE ORDER 9/8/2004 * D 1 8/30/2004 * D 1 8/16/2004 ME CONTINUANCE 8/5/2004 PRESENTENCE REPORT 7/19/2004 GUILTY PLEA PROCEEDING 7/19/2004 PLEA AGREEMENT 7/19/2004 NOTICE OF RIGHTS AFTER J'___' 7/19/2004 RELEASE ORDER 7/19/2004 FINANCIAL STATEMENT 7/19/2004 ME CHANGE OF PLEA HEARING 7/12/2004 ME PRETRIAL CONFERENCE 6/29/2004 DISCLOSURE BY PLAINTIFF 6/28/2004 ME ORDER SETTING HEARING/TRIAL 6/28/2004 ORDER SETTING 6/22/2004 M E ARRAIGNMENT AND PLEA 6/22/2004 MOTION 6/21/2004 TIME SCHEDULE/NOTICE OF TRIAL 6/18/2004 TRANSMITTAL CERTIFICATE FROM 6/18/2004



Also, youtube has taken down his videos and I'm hearing that IVAW has now claimed they are trying to get him "some help". Also, here are some more pictures of him (IN THE SAME SHIRT!). Man this guy is real scum.
I'd post pictures, but these forums are screwed up and wont let me.


[edit on 23-5-2006 by Dronetek]



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 06:33 AM
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Iraq/Afghanistan third anniversary presentations returning Iraq veteran and Military Families Speak Out - Washington state chapter; March 19, 2006 in Tacoma, WA. left = returning Iraq veteran, Joshua Farris.
center = Jesse Macbeth







LOL, hes still wearing that same shirt! I really hope someone hunts this guy down and beats the everliving crap out of him. Think about what hes doing to soliders with his blatent, destructful lies. It makes you wonder how many of these IVAW are fakes.

[edit on 23-5-2006 by Dronetek]



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 06:39 AM
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The fact that anyone actually believes this makes me sad for our future. Very sad.

What happened to deny ignorance?

Just look at the Ranger rosters for the last 5 years. No one matches the name or description of this guy. You'd think that right away breaks it down, but apparently not. Go one further and call Benning... he's never been a member of the Third Ranger Battalion!

Look at his description of how he went to Ranger School - he was "picked". Everyone else has to volunteer... this guy was selected. Okay, buddy.

His interview, however, really says it all. How he "got a lot" of medals and has been denied veteran's benefits. Go ahead and phone the Tacoma office of Veteran's Affairs and ask about him.

I sure don't support the war but I will be damned if I will let people fall prey to lies. Lies took us there, but the truth is going to get us out.

And I really hate to nitpick, but it's not "SF Vets". Rangers are not special forces, they're special operations forces (SOF). Only Green Berets are SF.



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 06:44 AM
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I have been researching this guy for the last few hours. I even joined Military.com to find out more.

Members from 3rd Battalion, 75th Infantry Regiment are dismissing this guy as a fake. Take a look

He has even pulled his own video from the site he linked to in the opening post.

[edit on 23-5-2006 by Bikereddie]



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 07:42 AM
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I hope Alex Jones pulls the link and posts a retraction on prisonplanet.com - this needs to be addressed - its not like the usual level of competency and reliability I have come to expect from him.



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 07:49 AM
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First, Thanks everyone for doing the reasearch that I had no clue how to do.


WheelsRCool - I read parts of your post on page one, however, all the caps, sarcasm and bolded text gave me the impression that you were just yelling and pissed off and that turns me off a post (or a person in RL) faster than anything. It tells me your response is emotional rather than logical and it's harder to believe.

And let's face it, to me, you're just some guy on a discussion board giving his opinion. You may know what you're talking about 100%, but I have no way of knowing that. You could be a angry 14-year-old girl...

The way people express themselves has a whole lot to do with whether or not they come across as believable. I had the same experience with Dronetek's posts.

Now that I have a clue about what "His uniform is wrong" means and have seen the other data that you guys have found, I can say that I believe this guy is very troubled and is indeed a pathalogical liar... He needs help. And yes, he needs to be exposed.

I'm pretty much convinced it's all a lie. Thanks ATSers for helping me to Deny Ignorance


He was also apparently in NOLA after Katrina:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Here he said he had 2 tours of duty...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I am one who believes that similar horror stories do happen in Iraq, but spreading lies is not the way to deal with it.



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
First, Thanks everyone for doing the reasearch that I had no clue how to do.

Now that I have a clue about what "His uniform is wrong" means and have seen the other data that you guys have found, I can say that I believe this guy is very troubled and is indeed a pathalogical liar... He needs help. And yes, he needs to be exposed.
I'm pretty much convinced it's all a lie. Thanks ATSers for helping me to Deny Ignorance




No problem B/H. I had some time on my hands. Something just niggled at me with his email address. Hence the searching.

Glad to have helped you deny this guy's ignorance and lies.



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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The way people express themselves has a whole lot to do with whether or not they come across as believable. I had the same experience with Dronetek's posts.



I told you in 3 seperate posts what specificly was wrong with his uniform......



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by Violent
I hope Alex Jones pulls the link and posts a retraction on prisonplanet.com - this needs to be addressed - its not like the usual level of competency and reliability I have come to expect from him.


agree with that.
I saw it on prisonplanet and that stuff is generaly checked out.
its sad it wasnt



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 12:45 PM
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Just thought i would update those that have been with this thread from the start.

After a few hours of searching, i have found that he has made the same claims at numerous other sites.

I actually joined these sites to gain more info about him.

All i can say now, is, the net is closing in on him.
Myspace.com , Military.com and IVAW.net . all of whom had him as a member have either removed him from their sites, or taken down messages ,videos,images etc that he had posted there.

IVAW.net is the site that he is supposed to be involved with in a big way, yet i think even they have seen through him.

He has made information available about when the next IVAW rally will be taking place. I would imagine, going by what has been said on the other sites, that he will get to meet some actual serving Rangers.



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 04:01 PM
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Benevolent Heretic, you're right, I was mad, but that doesn't dismiss I was stating facts. And what is wrong about being a bit emotional about some things?

As for the bold, yes, that was for people who might skim the thread, I wanted to make sure their eyes caught on to certain facts.

Don't ignore people who make emotional posts, ignore people who make fanatical posts, with all sorts of spelling errors and such.

[edit on 23-5-2006 by WheelsRCool]



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by WheelsRCool
Benevolent Heretic, you're right, I was mad, but that doesn't dismiss I was stating facts.
As for the bold, yes, that was for people who might skim the thread, I wanted to make sure their eyes caught on to certain facts.


When we see posts that we know for a fact are just utter bull, and others have to wait a while before they get to see the big picture so to speak, it does make us mad, but hey, we are all human after all.

I have been in this situation before, and it gets infuriating. One fact i did learn was to dig deeper and help people see the truth and logic, by supplying any info, links etc, to back up my point. Ranting got me no where.

I have had my fair share of warnings for ranting in bold type in my time here.

You do get to learn, honest.

Your input helped me in finding out the truth about this guy, so please don't feel too hard done by when people pick at you for ranting.

This has been an excellent thread and some excellent input from your self. Lets do it again sometime eh?



posted on May, 23 2006 @ 09:28 PM
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Hi all,

I haven't contributed to this thread, but have followed it with interest. I just wanted to say a big hat's off to those who put together the evidence that eventually brought the truth to light. Very impressed by the whole thread, and has renewed my faith in ATS. It has seemed recently that if you take a contradictory view to the status quo, you are either a counter-intel agent, disinformation plant, or 14 year old school girl. It is good to see that some people can mount a cohesive, structured argument that reaches a logical conclusion. Some people, however, will deny the truth simply because they want to believe in something.

Some WATSs will be awarded shortly



posted on May, 24 2006 @ 01:13 AM
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There is a guy in this video name Jeffe Englehart (sp?) that is claiming similar eventsyoutube.com... and also another guy didn't catch his name... maybe we should do some searches on these guys too, to make sure there are actually the real deal..



posted on May, 24 2006 @ 01:33 AM
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When I first watched this earlier today,I thought something was strange about this guy,then I read on other forums/messageboards people flaming him,I actually felt sorry for him for a second.The more I think of it though,this guy obviously tried to pull a fast one and its really blowing up in his face,so they say..you make your bed,you lay in it..

One thing is for sure,thousands if not millions of people know who he is now.Thats alot more than alot of us can say for ourselves.

Does anyone know if mainstream news picked up on it yet?

I live in the Seattle area as well as this Jessie,I would have thought there would have been some local buzz about it yet,but nothing that I have saw or heard so far.



posted on May, 24 2006 @ 02:01 AM
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The mainstream media is usually not quick to bounce on stuff like this - and when they do, it's all over and done with. With this particular story, it seems almost as though it would be too "far out there" for even the most liberal of news agencies.

I'm just glad I could do my part, and thanks go out to others that placed phone calls and got in touch with contacts, as well.

Way to "Deny Ignorance"!



posted on May, 24 2006 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by Bootyac
Does anyone know if mainstream news picked up on it yet?


I searched most major news sites, and came up with nothing. I think the video may have been too much for them to show or carry.

They may have seen it, and are now doing some background work to see how real it is. Once they discover its bull, then they might carry it to show what a fraud Jesse Macbeth really is.

Should be good if they do carry the story. This guy has probably upset a lot of people.



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