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ex sf vets speaks out

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posted on May, 16 2006 @ 06:48 PM
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I found this on the ivaw myspace boards check it out.
blog.myspace.com...
www.myspace.com...

My Blog URL
blog.myspace.com...


This guy talking about some deep stuff.
I looked his name up in google and he has been active.
www.socialistalternative.org...

Was not sure if this was right forum for this.
If not then mybad.
This guy is deep though, talking about slaughtering innocent iraqis for no reason.




posted on May, 16 2006 @ 07:18 PM
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Never seen a Ranger Beret with a yellow patch. The story also seems to be very sensationalized. If this is the type of stuff going down in Iraq, there would be many more soldiers coming out about it. I had 2 friends in Iraq who made it back and have their full benefits, they came out with 40 grand in the bank for going over there for a year. This guy is a whack job, in his profile it says he is a pathlogical liar; which leads me to believe he is A) lying about who he is or where hes been, or B) BSing everyone about the entire story.

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posted on May, 17 2006 @ 05:43 PM
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I heard a similar case from Gulf war 1 sf guy (and many other war fronts)...
My source is planning a book, although he has said he will wait to see if rumsfeld goes down (not sure in what way)
so it is possible IMO

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posted on May, 17 2006 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
although he has said he will wait to see if rumsfeld goes down (not sure in what way)


I'm pretty sure most have an idea of, in what way. The guy has been in the government revolving door since the 60's, and he was the youngest Sec. Def in history, when first appointed.

Rumsworld has some closets, and I'm willing to bet they are not all empty.



posted on May, 17 2006 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by ivaw vet
I found this on the ivaw myspace boards check it out.
blog.myspace.com...
www.myspace.com...



Is all that soldier, and I use that term loosely is capable of performing. If the stilted prose used in that blog is any indication of that person's intelligence, they were most likely confined to the most menial of tasks, not front line action. I hope you don't actually know the person.

Dismissed.



posted on May, 17 2006 @ 06:18 PM
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What a bunch of garbage. I'm against the war in Iraq personally, but I just get the gut feeling this dude is lying for cash, attention, or both. If they were really going around purposely executing children it would be all over the place, BS plain and simple.


Not to mention Major Discrepancy is right, that guy is not nearly intelligent enough to be in the SF....



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posted on May, 17 2006 @ 06:44 PM
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and so on till everyone was dead or we got in answer


Hmm. I don't buy the spelling errors. The guy can't punctuate, misspells "'til", knows enough grammar to put "an" in front of answer, but spells it "in" and then correctly spells answer with a silent "w"...Hmm.

As for this


if they dident answer the way we wanted we would execute there youngest son or daughter befor them


Obviously reading from a different COIN manual to the rest of the military and Rangers do have to be able to read manuals, which do contain jargon, complicated equipment names and a fair degree of punctuation...

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posted on May, 17 2006 @ 06:52 PM
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Sorry to say it but that guy's 'space' looks like a pile of BS taller than his garage.
the letter looks as if it's meant to stir up things in the way that syops / disinformation would be meant to do.



posted on May, 17 2006 @ 07:03 PM
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What it should look like.

Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV

and so on till everyone was dead or we got in answer


Hmm. I don't buy the spelling errors. The guy can't punctuate, misspells "'til", knows enough grammar to put "an" in front of answer, but spells it "in" and then correctly spells answer with a silent "w"...Hmm.

As for this


if they dident answer the way we wanted we would execute there youngest son or daughter befor them


Obviously reading from a different COIN manual to the rest of the military and Rangers do have to be able to read manuals, which do contain jargon, complicated equipment names and a fair degree of punctuation...

edit:quotes. And will someone get this edit working right.

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posted on May, 20 2006 @ 04:22 PM
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Well, I do know this guy.
I have seen his dd 214, he is real.
I dont think you should judge some one by how they spell.
He is all over the internet.
I know he is really messed up from what he has seen.

Weather or not he executed children or women, only he and his unit knows.
We should respect the fact that he was there, untill we find out differently.

But, there have been some things on the news.
marines slaughtering families, getting charged with murder.
More recently the pentagon investigating the slaughter of women and children.

We at I.V.A.W take the veterans word for it, once they show us their discharge papers or something tying them to the military.

I beleive this guy, try researching him on line.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 05:40 PM
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I know guys who have been to Iraq as well and not all of them were grunts. This guy's story does not inspire me with the confidence to stand up and condemn the US military.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Hmm. I don't buy the spelling errors. The guy can't punctuate, misspells "'til", knows enough grammar to put "an" in front of answer, but spells it "in" and then correctly spells answer with a silent "w"...Hmm.


I'm not sure I understand what you're saying... Are you discounting his story because he can't spell?

The Audio. (it says video, but it doesn't play visual for me) But listen to this young man.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 07:07 PM
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No, I'm saying his spelling errors don't appear consistent.

Yes, yes, I know. Why would they be...

I have had students who have been learning English for only 3 years who spell and punctuate better than that.

I'm not sure where my opinion on the spelling and punctuation are going. Is the guy lying because he can't spell, no, that's not it, I think I was leaning more towards: Whoever created this didn't keep their story straight. They forgot which things this Ranger could and couldn't do with the English language. This "guy" also clearly has never been shown how spellchecker works.

He can read military manuals, but NEVER take in the style in which they are written? He also speaks in rambling ideas, not the short sentences of a soldier used to giving concise sit-reps.

I dunno...



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 07:42 PM
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Try the video. Here it is. The reports about incidents like this have been coming in for ages, but I'm sure there are plent of ostriches out there who don't believe "our boys" could do such things. They probably didn't believe in My Lai either.



posted on May, 21 2006 @ 11:15 PM
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This story is so ridiculous I can't believe anyone would even believe it. It doesn't even have little inconsistensies, it speaks pure blasphemy.

GOOD GRIEF, that guy's story is so wrong in so many areas. First they ask him how he became a "Special Forces Ranger." Riiiight, he never even bothers to correct them on the fact that the Rangers and Special Forces are two entirely separate Spec Ops units. He claims: "I got picked to go to Ranger School" right out of Basic. BS. You do not get "picked" to go to Ranger School right out of Basic. Also, going to Ranger school DOES NOT get you into the Ranger Regiment. Ranger Indoctrination Program does that, and once you get into the Regiment, they train you up to go to Ranger School. Otherwise, you go to a regular unit out of Basic and then can go to Ranger School, but then you go back to your unit.

Then the big kicker is how he brags about his medals. NO soldier, I repeat, NO SOLDIER, especially one who has supposedly seen torture and been forced to do it, EVER, brags about his medals. And purple hearts, "half of which" he can't remember!? GIVE ME A FUDGING BREAK!!! The most purple hearts ever awarded to one person was 4 to 8, and that was Vietnam, meaning at most this guy could have gotten three, which is HIGHLY unlikely. Good grief, what a liar. And a Bronze Star? Yeah, uh-huh, okay, sure. AND ALL THIS AT THE RIPE OLD AGE OF ONLY 22!? MOST GUYS IN WORLD WAR II AND VIETNAM WEREN'T THAT DECORATED IN TEN-TWENTY YEARS OF MILITARY SERVICE.

So, let me get this straight. Let's suppose the guy went through Ranger School AFTER he got to a regular unit. He can't have gone in as a RIP contract (guaranteed a shot at the Ranger Regiment right after AIT because he was in trouble with the law, which will disqualify you). So he graduated Basic, went to AIT (Advanced Individual Training), got to a Regular unit, served, then worked his way to Ranger School. He went through Ranger School, went back to his unit, he also would have had to go to Airborne School, it's required for the Regiment, then worked his way up to the Ranger Regiment. Then he went and served sixteen months in Iraq with the 3rd Ranger Battalion supposedly (I don't even think Rangers deploy that long), and somehow won all those medals in that amount of time? BULL. BIG TIME BULL.

Maybe if he was 35 or 40 years-old and had done all that, but no one does it in 4 or 5 years. The earliest he could have enlisted would have been 17.

And he hasn't got any benefits? YEP, sure, uh-huh, okay, a HIGHLY-DECORATED "war hero," who was part of an elite Special Operations unit of the U.S. military, under Special Operations Command, who won the darn BRONZE STAR, for crying out loud, has not gotten ANY benefits or help, okay sure. The Regiment is a very close brotherhood and they take care of their own if they need to.

A member of the Ranger Regiment is above all PROFESSIONAL, and they speak in a professional manner. It's one thing to make a few typos, it's another thing to speak with such poor grammar. No Ranger speaks like that. And from what I can see, he's not even wearing his beret correctly.

The Ranger Regiment is one of the most elite military units on Earth, the kinds of men with the guts to make it through that training aren't dumbos, and the kind who make it through Ranger School for D*MN-sure aren't that stupid and unprofessional. Ranger School is a leadership school, and I've known guys personally who went through it. You will not meet such professional men.

I notice he said he was a member of the "3rd Ranger Battalion." Gee, that's it? No mention of his company, his squad, platoon?

Even if this guy really served, he's lying through his teeth, and apparently doesn't have a clue what he's even saying. BTW, DD 214's can be faked. And if a guy like this, that decorated, really was speaking out with true credentials, believe you me, it would be all over the news.

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posted on May, 22 2006 @ 02:53 PM
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This has been pretty well discredited all over the internet. They even took the main site down.

I mean, its not even a good fake. Look at the photo in the begining, its completely wrong. He's got patches in the wrong place, hes got his sleves rolled up like a marine and he's wearing his barret wrong. What is scarey about this is the amount of people willing to believe it simply because its meant to stop the war.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Dronetek
This has been pretty well discredited all over the internet.


Do you have a link to this discreditation? Thanks.




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posted on May, 22 2006 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by ivaw vet
I found this on the ivaw myspace boards check it out.
blog.myspace.com...
www.myspace.com...

My Blog URL
blog.myspace.com...



did you go to his home page and under "about me" he listed "I am a pathological liar."

This guy is straight up bs. He's probably still in high school would be my guess by the use of netspeak.

Ranger does not equal SF, by the way. He may (or may not) have been in the military and I guess may be older than High School but I'd be surprised. I was in the military as well and number amongst my friends a number of Rangers (both active and inactive) as well as SEALs and 1 Green Beret. I only mention this to say that I have corresponded and hung out with a number of these people. they have a tough job and 1 guy does have ptsd (ironically, from a training accident with a vehicle) but this poster's links just kind of, well, stink.



posted on May, 22 2006 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Dronetek
This has been pretty well discredited all over the internet.


Do you have a link to this discreditation? Thanks.




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all you have to do is look up his name and stories related to him. Look, all it takes is to watch the video to know hes a fraud. Not only is his uniform completely wrong, but his dates dont match up. He claims he was in Fallujah for the invasion, but the facts say he was in America protesting a coffe shop.

/nhodp

Jesse MacBeth, right, protests near the Mill Avenue Coffee Plantation on Saturday night. The Free to Camp Coalition organized the protest because it alleges that the coffee shop discriminates against customers based on their appearances.



He's even wearing the same goddman BDU shirt!

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posted on May, 22 2006 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Dronetek
He's even wearing the same goddman BDU shirt!


Yeah, the Coffee Plantation story is right along the lines of his pathological lying. I go to Mill quite a bit, and there's no way they'd kick somebody out because they're in uniform, it's more nonsense. Lies. I can see them not allowing the homeless there, because all they do is panhandle and beg, and if you don't have money for them they get belligerent. They congregate on that corner day and night and it's bad for business when they are harassing the customers, but there's no reason they would ask a soldier to leave.




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