The New Adolph Hitler !

Originally posted by ludaChris

You do know the CIA had nothing to do with Sadaam coming to power.

Nexsmax used to be one of the examples of free conservative media that exist only on the net, until:

www.masternewmedia.org...

After their initial skepticism and scorn, and their failed attempts to extend their media monopoly to the Internet, they began a subtle process of infiltration. For example, I was surprised when, in June, 2001, the notorious Alexander Haig Jr. joined NewsMax's advisory board. It is probably only a coincidence, but lately NewsMax has become a sort of mouthpiece for the Republican Party and an uncritical provider of the Bush administration's propaganda. Its most recent no-brainer is a "boycott France" campaign. I stopped visiting the site several weeks ago. On the other hand, if only half of what I found in this article is true, perhaps NewsMax's problems have deeper roots than I thought. There is a saying in Latin America: "A los periodistas se les paga o se les pega." ("Journalists: you buy them or you hit them.") I don't think it is much different here. I expect that after some unsuccessful attempts to derail some of the most succesful sites, just to bring an example, the media powers will try to buy them.

But even in 2003, we read there:

www.newsmax.com...

While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S. intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.

We have been tearing down elected governments to replace them with dictatorships for generations, when those dictatorships stop playing ball then it becomes time to install a "democracy."

Originally posted by ludaChris
Onto, Chavez, I honestly dont think Chavez will be a target.

We were behind the coup that ousted him for a few days, and he is still in the crosshairs.

Originally posted by ludaChrisWe all know Pat Robertson is a nut and part of the reason I left the sect of Christianity I was involved in. Now I'm Methodist.

Unfortunately, all organized Christianity has been infiltrated by the Enemy.

rense.com...

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Originally posted by ludaChrisWere already in the middle east and have the assets to conduct an air campaign against Iran, why move the assets to strike Venezuela?

Any future switch from dollars to Euros for oil sales.

Originally posted by Strangerous

Many of the US's closest and most-informed friends (Europe and others) do recognise that your govt doesn't represent the majority of you Americans.

My sympathies: your country has been hijacked by a christian/corporate minority who have their (as opposed to your) interests at heart - but you're not the only ones.

Christians are not a minority in the USA (and Bush II, of course, is not a Christian; but rather, at least, a third generation occultist), but anyway, the financial power of the US government was hijacked almost a century ago when the Federal Reserve was created, and the rest of government policy has been firmly under the Illuminati's thumb ever since the New Deal of FDR.

If liberals want to weaken Bush, the way to do it isn't to attack him as a fanatical Christian (which he isn't), that just makes tens of millions of American Christians defend him almost reflexively. The below is a more effective approach:

www.worldnetdaily.com...


[edit on 17-2-2006 by Paul of Nisbis]

and there we go again...

US warns about Chavez 'Danger'


Yeap, this looks very dangerous
Venezuela basks in oil Bonanza

While the US is spending their money developing stronger weapons, we us ours to help our continent, yet we are the dangerous ones. We just want to be left alone, why can't they just understand that!? Oh yeah, because they want our money too and we are "wasting" on people who need it.

rich23 said:

There's a really good essay by Umberto Eco called something like "12 Ways To Recognise a Brownshirt" in which he gives 12 basic indicators of the fascist mentality. I've just tried to Google it and came up with nothing, which is odd, as there were several copies of it circulating on the net not that long ago.

Funny thing is, I tried to find info on Harry Whittington and I found almost nothing at all, especially Harry and Dick and what happened with the bird hunting incident. I found that odd.
Which, tie this with the Bush regime wanting google, Yahoo, etc. records and such, makes me wonder if they are eliminating sensitive search results.

Oh, and nice linls AJAG, Hugo seems real dangerous
Condi shows us the evil GOP lapdog witch she is, I mean it's just rediculous the negative spin they try to put on how 'evil' Hugo is

The world needs more Hugo's!

Hey, Devin... I spent some time in the DR myself - just once a week for a few months (I used to work on a cruise ship as a musician). Did you hear the US has been landing troops there recently? Here's a link...

link

I think they're getting ready to oust the newly-elected Haitian premier because he's a friend of Aristide. Democracy can be just SO inconvenient when you can't rig the election the way you want it. Look at the Hamas thing, for example.

And Paul of Nisbis,thank you for your links and scholarship

Check this out. Effects of the propaganda machine plus ignorance. They changed the country labels on the map and no one noticed that Iran is actually australia. Funny and scary at the same time. THey want to invade half the world lol.

link

Paul, that was a very scary reading article on worldnet.

Thanks to everybody else that is actively participating in this here. Its the most educating read I have had in weeks.

Once again, WHERE IS THE OPPOSITION? I wanted to educate someone here, not pat each other on the back.

Posting this before it gets distorted by other means. Chavez, to make sure the opposition participates in the presidential elections this year instead of refusing to participate like they just did for the national assembly's elections last december, he said that if they fail to participate he will call for a referendum to ask the people if they are willing to remove from the constitution the restriction on a president only serving 2 terms and instead making it so the president can run for as many terms as he/she wants. He is completely against doing this, but he is warning the oposition he will call this referendum because last december they decided not to participate to create doubts on the election process and so that their followers didn't see the little support they have. Right now the oposition are demanding for body that takes care of the elections to get rid of the electronic and safe machines and that they go back to the manual ballot process. If they do not this they are saying they will not participate. Yeah right, lets get rid of the safe electronic process and go back to the process system where ballots disappear (Haiti last week anyone?). They really are a joke.

Trouble with voting machines... it depends on who's making them. There was a lot of stuff leading up to the US 2004 elections which all went quiet... again... but the CEO of Diebold was one of Bush's major campaign contributors and I think went on record somewhere as saying he wanted to 'return Ohio for Bush'.

However, controversy continues...


Diebold controversy link

That said, the guff spewed by the neocons against Chavez is just ridiculous. But he represents what Chomsky would call the threat of a good example. Literacy is up, standards of living at the poor end are up... before you know it, he'll be exporting doctors like Fidel...

source

Still ahead here, Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez, he's threatening to cut oil supplies form his country to this country. He also has some strong, some say silly, words for Condoleezza Rice, our secretary of state. We'll have that story.

And our nation's middle class spending more on health care than ever before. And guess what? The administration has a plan to raise that. A special report next.

And with so many urgent issues facing our nation's lawmakers, our nation's lawmakers have left Washington for yet another extended vacation. We'll tell you about the working life, if you can call it that, of our elected representatives throughout the year. Not just on Presidents Week.

Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DOBBS: Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez at it again, threatening to cut off oil supplies to the United States. Chavez said Washington better not cross the line, as he put it.

Chavez also made a direct threat to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and insulted her, saying, "Don't mess with me, girl."

Christine Romans has the report.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Radical Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez taunting Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, blowing her kisses and calling her a "little girl" during his six-hour televised address Sunday.

PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ, VENEZUELA (through translator): Remember, little girl, I'm like the thorn tree that flowers on the plane. I waft my scent to passersby and prick he who shakes me. Don't mess with me, Condoleezza. Don't mess with me, girl.

ROMANS: Chavez chiding Rice after she called him a threat to democracy in the region.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: It is essentially important that we have a safe and secure neighborhood and one where democratic progress is continuing. And I think it's fair to say that one of the biggest problems we face in that regard are the policies of Venezuela.

ROMANS: With his country's oil bonanza, Chavez styles himself the patriarch of a socialist revolution and has vowed to unite Latin American against U.S.-backed economic reform, all of the while strengthening ties with Iran, China and Cuba.

RICE: You have a bit of a relationship -- or quite a relationship between Cuba and Venezuela at this point, which I think is a particular danger to the region.

ROMANS: In retaliation, Chavez is threatening to cut the U.S. off from Venezuelan oil. "If the government of the United States goes over the line, they are not going to have Venezuelan oil," proving the obvious that his gesture of discounted Venezuelan heating oil to America's poor this winter was a public relation's move and a jab at the Bush administration.

This is, after all, the man who calls President Bush, "Mr. Danger" and a terrorist and has vowed to "defeat the empire." Just last month, he called Rice a true illiterate.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

ROMANS: At the same time he's ranting against the United States, he's working pretty hard with his country's oil wealth to eliminate his political competition. And in his six-hour televised address, he declared he'd like to change that constitution, Lou, so that he can keep running indefinitely.

DOBBS: It's good that he has modest aspirations, and in that very democratic country I'm sure he will be able to seek the people's will and make some determination. Meanwhile, what do you suppose President Bush should do as a result of a head of state insulting his secretary of state?

ROMANS: So far, they have not been drawn into this taunting. But Hugo Chavez, I tell you, he uses any opportunity he can to needle the Bush administration. And he did it six hours. He really worked himself up.

DOBBS: Well, it sounds to me like he was working over his own citizen far more than he was Secretary of State Rice. They're the ones who must have felt the punishment.

Thank you very much.

It's not hard to understand why a man who is willing to speak to the people he represents 'unscripted' for longer than 30 seconds is considered as a raving lunatic by our government and press.
Can you imagine the amount of passion and sincerity GWB would be able to express if he had to sit down and speak to the American people for 6 hours?
Everything he has expressed to 'the people' since he became president could be summed up in 15 minutes if he could only talk about the same thing once. It would be funny to see Bush do his 'deer in the headlight' impression for 5 hours and 45 minutes tho'!,
like he did in that classroom of children when he found out the second tower had been struck by an airplane.

On the news recently and in this article they mention how Chaves is 'taunting' Rice, FOX news keeps mentioning how Chaves keeps 'blowing her kisses'....

They better warm up a few nukes !
this man is WAY too dangerous !

You're going to nuke him because he won't sell you his oil and blows kisses at your top 'woman in sensible shoes'?

This is not the reaction of a stable grown-up democracy, it's the actions of a 'rogue state' or even, perhaps, the Great Satan

(Not you Submersible)

[edit on 23-2-2006 by Strangerous]

I forget that this is an international forum....
that was 'sarcasm'.

Yes obviously with your culturally-specific references


And no it wasn't

But this post is

Actually I was not surprised most of the news agencies decided to "skip" the part about him sending her a kiss. The part about "don't mess with me girl!" was also taken out of context. He did say it, but if you watch the original spanish version you will see how he does not means it as a threat. Although they are not friends, he is saying "don't mess with me girl" as he was saying it to a friend. You know when your girlfriend has one of those moods were everything bothers her and ooking for the smallest of excuses to start a fight? and then instead of being pulled in the fight you just ask her to stop messing with you and give her a kiss? that is exactly how he said it.

Yeah, the "dont mess with me, girl" and the kiss thing are just playful jokes. Its a cultural thing. Us Americans view it as a threat, but he isnt threatening. He doesnt want conflict with us. That would be suicide. My Columbian friend thought it was kinda funny, and she doesnt like the guy. She said he isnt baiting a fight, he is just carismatic for the camera.

He just wants to govern without the US looking over his shoulder, making sure he is keeping our interests in mind, rather than the interests of the Venezuelan public. All he wants is what all South American leaders should want. Freedom from US muscle. Freedom to choose fiscal policies that better feed, clothe, and support his people, not ours.

Imagine Bush trying to memorize the responses he would have to make for a 6 hour public talk. He has a hard enough time with one or two questions. Chavez is far from a fool.

Why are we all such idiots?

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[edit on 7-3-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

chavez is a puppet of international communism and one of his best buddies is Fidel. nuff said.

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[edit on 7-3-2006 by DontTreadOnMe]

I am a socialist/communist, Chavez is no puppet, if he is then bush is a bigger puppet than he will EVER be. Dont insult a political faction if you dont know what it is: Google: CPUSA
And just because your american does NOT make you better at something, so dont think just because your an american communist does NOT meen you are a better one.


[edit on 7-3-2006 by Vekar]

The same can be said for...George Bush“He’s a person who was elected legally — just as Adolf Hitler was elected legally — and then consolidated power..."
If you leave out"--and then consolidated power...", you can substitute so many names.
Oh, wait, some people say George was NOT elected legally.

None the less the parallels of BOTH persons are rather unpleasant to think about, both are following the same time line only now the person has control over a nation with some the worlds most powerfull weapons, and needless to say a better position to hold off invaders from a foreign nation.