Corona Virus Updates Part 2

a reply to: tanstaafl

you have no idea just like everyone else

a reply to: logicsoda

There is nothing that credibly suggests that this was bioengineered, so I don't know why it's "on the table". It's all conjecture based on more conjecture.

There is nothing creditable that this came from easting bat soup. It is usual practice to keep all options on the table until the suspect is proven.

the paranoid psycopaths running the world might just see their polulation-reduction wet dream realised through this 'outbreak'. or maybe that's it's whole raison d'etre in the first place. one things for sure, we don't matter to them, other than as replaceable cogs in the machine. however they might find themselves running short of cogs.

a reply to: hades84
I agree, those poor people.
I still contend that they are trying to find the passengers that are immune.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

London on coronavirus alert: Paramedics in hazmat suits march man out of flat in Paddington after telling bystanders 'we have a confirmed case' amid hunt for anyone who came into contact with capital's first patient

If conirmed, this will be the 2nd one in London in space of 2 days.

Paramedics in hazmat suits have today been filmed marching a man out of a flat in central London hours after the first coronavirus patient was confirmed in the capital. Two medics in full protective gowns, gloves and face masks got out of an ambulance and carried heavy-duty rucksacks into a block of flats in Paddington at 9.45am. One of the staff was said to have told bystanders there was 'a confirmed case in the building' and asked if people could refrain from taking pictures. Five minutes later they emerged escorting a man in a black hoodie out of the block before loading him into the back of the ambulance and driving off. It has sparked fears London's first coronavirus patient may have already infected countless others in the capital after flying back from China recently.

originally posted by: Tukota

originally posted by: NxNWest
First death in Japan.

www.cbc.ca...

Of note:

Health Minister Katsunobu Kato says the woman had been treated at a hospital near Tokyo since early February after developing symptoms. Her infection was confirmed after her death. 

Which means they didn’t know when she was alive that she had it? This is what I am afraid of everywhere else - that people are sick and we think it’s just a regular flu virus, cold or pneumonia. Not saying they weren’t treating her as if she was suspected of having it, but this clearly states they confirmed the infection after her death.

Also note that she was being treated since early February.

And, if they didn't know she had COVID-19 until after she passed away, she probably wasn't in quarantine...

That is my fear everywhere. She was noted as being in care since the beginning of February.

Someone mentioned she was 80 and how many people over age 65 die of the flu. I get it. It’s the uncontained spread that concerns me. Like I said earlier, it doesn’t mean she wasn’t quarantined, but perhaps not

originally posted by: logicsoda

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: logicsoda

It's on the table until proven otherwise. The information stream with this entire issue has been questionable at best since day 1.

There is nothing that credibly suggests that this was bioengineered, so I don't know why it's "on the table". It's all conjecture based on more conjecture.

If no one dies directly as a result of the virus other than those of Chinese or SEA decent and the virus does not spread to the same level then surely that is indicative of a leak of a lab engineered virus which is targeted at the Chinese/SEA, either developed to produce vaccines or as a bio-weapon should the Chinese choose to depopulate. It may in fact be an engineered dual purpose virus. Who knows.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: NxNWest
Also note that she was being treated since early February.

Also note, she was 80 years old.

Also note, she died of pneumonia.

Also note, in 2016, 119 650 Japanese people died of pneumonia, 96% of whom were aged 65 years and above.

Details matter.

I am not sure why you need to passively-aggressively insult my post by repeating my “also note” over and over, but I would like to say that yes, details do matter, which is what I am pointing out. We don’t have enough of them in this case and neither do you to refute it.

originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: fleabit

I'm not speculating if it did happen who would succumb and who wouldn't, I'm simply saying at some point something will happen to reduce human numbers and this could be it.

Natures only options to fix our mess are disease, famine, or sterilisation.

The world is not overpopulated - there is much more available space and resources than people. Cities are overpopulated. Bad controls, bad governments, poor city plans, wealth and poverty.. those are the reasons that populations seem "out of control." With proper controls and processes and systems in place, the current population is not a big deal. In the U.S., without growing a thing more and simply eating what we export, we could feed another 400 million people. Without growing one more plant that we grow now.

The fix the world needs is not less people. Maybe more compassionate, less greedy people would be a good start though.

I'm sorry but that is just not understanding the maths. Go watch the first 15 minutes of that video.

At 1.1% population growth, the world population in 63 years from now will have doubled.

There is not "lots more space and resources", it is finite, you can't keep growing human numbers forever, at some point it has to stop and since we're killing the earth and fishing the oceans to death now, there are too many people now.

Go learn the maths - your ill conceived and faulty beliefs do not over-rule mathematics.

Maths has no emotion, it will tell you the truth.

Current world population will fit, shoulder to shoulder in 2000km squared. Not very much. I agree we need population control, but this is a big planet and managed properly it can sustain the current number. The greedy fuchs who have all the money and power have no real motivation though, so we’re stuck in a spiral of more consumers every year fuelling their greed.

originally posted by: logicsoda

originally posted by: 1questioner

originally posted by: logicsoda

originally posted by: tennisdawg
I have a 90 day supply for my pets. This virus is artificially designed for 3 major cycles approx. 14-28 days per cycle. There is chatter that this could have a 4th cycle, but i can't confirm that yet.

edited to add: this is an intentional release of an artificial virus. This was not released by China

And how do we verify that this is true? There is nothing conclusive to indicate that this virus is "artificially designed", as you claim. Not a thing--this is all baseless conjecture.

WASHINGTON D.C. – In recent weeks, concern over the emergence of a novel coronavirus in China has grown exponentially as media, experts and government officials around the world have openly worried that this new disease has the potential to develop into a global pandemic.

As concerns about the future of the ongoing outbreak have grown, so too have the number of theories speculating about the outbreak’s origin, many of which blame a variety of state actors and/or controversial billionaires. This has inevitably led to efforts to clamp down on “misinformation” related to the coronavirus outbreak from both mainstream media outlets and major social media platforms.

However, while many of these theories are clearly speculative, there is also verifiable evidence regarding the recent interest of one controversial U.S. government agency in novel coronaviruses, specifically those transmitted from bats to humans. That agency, the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA), began spending millions on such research in 2018 and some of those Pentagon-funded studies were conducted at known U.S. military bioweapons labs bordering China and resulted in the discovery of dozens of new coronavirus strains as recently as last April. Furthermore, the ties of the Pentagon’s main biodefense lab to a virology institute in Wuhan, China — where the current outbreak is believed to have begun — have been unreported in English language media thus far.

Source

And...

With over 20 years of expertise in genomic proteomic and integromic data analysis, Dr. Lyons-Weiler is the author of 57 peer-reviewed publications and three books, including one about the Ebola virus. Since the outbreak, Dr. Lyons-Weiler has written extensively about the Wuhan virus, and has published these articles: “On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China”; “Molecular Epidemiology of Spike Protein Sequences in 2019-nCoV: Origin Still Uncertain and Transparency Needed”; “2019-nCov Vaccine Recommended Readings”

Lyons-Weiler said, the coronvirus sequences from samples isolated from infected patients in Wuhan have very similar gene sequences overall in comparison to related coronaviruses, but the 2019-nCoV has a very distinct gene sequence encoding the spike proteins. Spike proteins are the tools with which these viruses penetrate and infect host cells. He found the Wuhan virus has a spike protein that is very different than the nearest coronavirus, and he considers that a paradox.
“Why would there be such a low sequence similarity in just this one protein in this one lineage, unless it came from somewhere else. It doesn’t make sense. The genetic differences in the spike protein from the rest of the genome really make the spike protein stick out.”

Source

None of that is conclusive that it was artificially engineered. It's evidence that there was political interest and research, as well as evidence that there are intriguing inserts on the spike proteins (and it was even noted that it is very similar to other coronaviruses that already exist) of the virus, but this is not conclusive of artificial engineering.

Speculation, speculation, and more speculation. Even if it came from a lab (which is possible, I suppose) that doesn't irrefutably mean it was engineered.

It could be engineered, but there is still nothing conclusive and irrefutable that indicates that it was.

Once the scientific consensus concludes that this virus was the product of bioengineering, I will sing a different tune.

Well, if scientists are STILL looking into the virus, wouldn't that mean they're convinced it's not natural? If it was natural, they wouldn't need to keep studying it, would they? I think it's safe to say that they're still not sure whether it's man-made or natural, which doesn't rule anything out. That's the most you can conjecture because there is no proof one way or the other.

China’s Aging Population Is a Major Threat to Its Future

By 2050, 330 million Chinese will be over age 65. Good news perhaps for property owners in Hainan, but dire news for the prospects of the world’s second largest economy–and for those around the world who rely on it. “It’s the No. 1 economic problem for China going forward,”...

That's about the population of the US.

If current trends continue, China’s population will peak at 1.44 billion in 2029 before entering “unstoppable” decline, according to a Chinese Academy of Social Sciences study released in January. The country will enter an “era of negative population growth,” the report says, warning that by 2065 numbers will return to the levels of the mid-1990s. Fewer people means less domestic consumption, and thus rapidly slowing economic growth. The ratio of young to old will be dramatically imbalanced by the rising ranks of the elderly, putting unprecedented weight on the ties that hold society together.

The scale of the problem is partly due to the legacy of the one-child policy: history’s biggest social-engineering experiment. Introduced in 1980 to reduce the number of hungry mouths to feed, the policy eventually began to act as a hitch on growth, prompting Beijing to permit parents to have two children from 2016. The policy now stands to be scrapped, with a draft civil code published in August 2018 omitting any reference to “family planning.”

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

they still study small pox

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: fleabit

I'm not speculating if it did happen who would succumb and who wouldn't, I'm simply saying at some point something will happen to reduce human numbers and this could be it.

Natures only options to fix our mess are disease, famine, or sterilisation.

The world is not overpopulated - there is much more available space and resources than people. Cities are overpopulated. Bad controls, bad governments, poor city plans, wealth and poverty.. those are the reasons that populations seem "out of control." With proper controls and processes and systems in place, the current population is not a big deal. In the U.S., without growing a thing more and simply eating what we export, we could feed another 400 million people. Without growing one more plant that we grow now.

The fix the world needs is not less people. Maybe more compassionate, less greedy people would be a good start though.

I'm sorry but that is just not understanding the maths. Go watch the first 15 minutes of that video.

At 1.1% population growth, the world population in 63 years from now will have doubled.

There is not "lots more space and resources", it is finite, you can't keep growing human numbers forever, at some point it has to stop and since we're killing the earth and fishing the oceans to death now, there are too many people now.

Go learn the maths - your ill conceived and faulty beliefs do not over-rule mathematics.

Maths has no emotion, it will tell you the truth.

Current world population will fit, shoulder to shoulder in 2000km squared. Not very much. I agree we need population control, but this is a big planet and managed properly it can sustain the current number. The greedy fuchs who have all the money and power have no real motivation though, so we’re stuck in a spiral of more consumers every year fuelling their greed.

What's the point of this: "Current world population will fit, shoulder to shoulder in 2000km squared."

Clearly the current world population couldn't survive by standing shoulder to shoulder, so what your saying is utterly meaningless in relation to what I was saying.

originally posted by: NxNWest

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: NxNWest
Also note that she was being treated since early February.

Also note, she was 80 years old.

Also note, she died of pneumonia.

Also note, in 2016, 119 650 Japanese people died of pneumonia, 96% of whom were aged 65 years and above.

Details matter.

I am not sure why you need to passively-aggressively insult my post by repeating my “also note” over and over, but I would like to say that yes, details do matter, which is what I am pointing out. We don’t have enough of them in this case and neither do you to refute it.

Because insults are what what these people do best.

I agree with you.

I'm puzzled as to why people would still want to go a cruise of Asia at this time and still book!

A Kent dad says he's worried for his son's safety after tourists were reportedly thrown off his cruise of the Far East amid fears about the coronavirus. Sean Dunne flew out to Singapore from Heathrow with his mum and her friend last week, before setting sail on a huge ship, which planned to take in Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam over the course of a fortnight.

www.kentonline.co.uk...

Saw a statement today that immunity cannot be achieved for COVID-19. That is to say, one can catch this virus over and over again.

Is that an accurate statement, or is this still just one more unknown aspect?

Thanks.

Cheers

originally posted by: drussell41


Because insults are what what these people do best.

I agree with you.

Thank you. I think the rest of us who aren’t arguing and insulting each other need to keep that in mind and keep up the relevant, information-sharing discussion. We shouldn’t get sucked into the distraction technique but rather hold steady on point.

a reply to: NxNWest

maybe because this forum is a conspiracy site, so a lot of misinformation would be very high here

originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: Power_Semi

originally posted by: fleabit

I'm not speculating if it did happen who would succumb and who wouldn't, I'm simply saying at some point something will happen to reduce human numbers and this could be it.

Natures only options to fix our mess are disease, famine, or sterilisation.

The world is not overpopulated - there is much more available space and resources than people. Cities are overpopulated. Bad controls, bad governments, poor city plans, wealth and poverty.. those are the reasons that populations seem "out of control." With proper controls and processes and systems in place, the current population is not a big deal. In the U.S., without growing a thing more and simply eating what we export, we could feed another 400 million people. Without growing one more plant that we grow now.

The fix the world needs is not less people. Maybe more compassionate, less greedy people would be a good start though.

I'm sorry but that is just not understanding the maths. Go watch the first 15 minutes of that video.

At 1.1% population growth, the world population in 63 years from now will have doubled.

There is not "lots more space and resources", it is finite, you can't keep growing human numbers forever, at some point it has to stop and since we're killing the earth and fishing the oceans to death now, there are too many people now.

Go learn the maths - your ill conceived and faulty beliefs do not over-rule mathematics.

Maths has no emotion, it will tell you the truth.

Current world population will fit, shoulder to shoulder in 2000km squared. Not very much. I agree we need population control, but this is a big planet and managed properly it can sustain the current number. The greedy fuchs who have all the money and power have no real motivation though, so we’re stuck in a spiral of more consumers every year fuelling their greed.

What's the point of this: "Current world population will fit, shoulder to shoulder in 2000km squared."

Clearly the current world population couldn't survive by standing shoulder to shoulder, so what your saying is utterly meaningless in relation to what I was saying.

No, it is not. It shows that there is a lot of space on this planet for a lot of people. Did you read the whole post. Stop being aggressive. I agree with you in principal. The planet needs to be managed better, population needs to be managed better. However, we have a sticking point - those who wish to gather as much wealth as possible.

originally posted by: F2d5thCavv2
Saw a statement today that immunity cannot be achieved for COVID-19. That is to say, one can catch this virus over and over again.

Is that an accurate statement, or is this still just one more unknown aspect?

Thanks.

Cheers

Here is a good article from the CDC which explains how a flu virus shifts and drifts. Oddly enough, it was posted on October 15, 2019.

www.cdc.gov...