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originally posted by: hillbilly4rent
a reply to: DBCowboy
Last time the Gooberment shut down it did effect Forestry service services and natinal parks. State parks are not effected.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
So having a strong border security is considered stupid?
originally posted by: Deetermined
originally posted by: NightFlight
originally posted by: JinMI
Does this mean I don't have to pay income taxes for the time they are not in service to the country?
Yure forgetting that the IRS and the Federal Reserve are not US government agencies.
I'm sure that someone has corrected you on this by now, but you do realize that the Internal Revenue Services's website ends in ".gov" ??!!
originally posted by: TheRedneck
Well, it's kind of obvious what the goal was. DACA is not close to expiring, and both parties say they want it codified and have been meeting to iron out the details. That was the only stumbling block the Democrats objected to: DACA was not included in the budget, because it has nothing to do with the budget.
So, let's do a little comparison, shall we? Democrats can now say
"We stood up to the Republicans and they shut the government down! They're racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic bigots who want to have everything their way!"And then the Republicans can say
"We included every single spending measure the Democrats wanted, and they used Senate rules to not even allow us to vote on the bill to keep the government open. Thanks to them, needy children have lost their health care, our soldiers are not getting paid, and Federal workers are being laid off! And all because they didn't want to openly address a way to help the Dreamers."Yeah, that's going to go over like a lead balloon for Schumer, especially since Trump has already coined the term "Schumer Shutdown." That one will stick as hard as "Crooked Hillary."
My Dad, rest his soul, used to say, "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging." Someone needs to tell the Senate Democrats that. As of right now, less than a year before their highly-anticipated 2018 midterms, we have the following:
I am seeing nothing - nothing - that will play well with Democrats come November.
- A booming economy, with ever-increasing good news for everyone, especially minorities.
- Lower taxes which will become apparent even to the skeptics next month.
- A rapidly expanding job market and record low unemployment.
- A record-high stock market setting new records regularly in record times.
- Hillary Clinton still in the forefront of the Democratic Party, and losing the confidence of voters at a fast pace.
- California actually demanding their citizens disregard Federal law.
- The lingering images of screaming "NOOOOOO" at the sky because they lost an election.
- Rumors of FISA violations concerning the Trump dossier being exposed from Congress, implicating mainly Democrats.
- Poor children without healthcare because of a single vote by the Democrats.
- Military going without pay because of a single vote by the Democrats.
- Continual attempts by Trump to resolve issues with the Democrats on the above two points until the last possible minute.
- An admitted cop-killer illegal immigrant in court openly regretting not having killed more cops.
- The idea that CNN, NBC, the NYT, and WaPo are "Fake News" becoming viral.
- Even the NYT blaming Democrats for the shutdown.
- Victories for conservatives in the Supreme Court.
What I am seeing is the real concern behind this latest move: desperation. Desperation because the plans of the DNC are falling to ashes before their eyes. The goal of any political party is power, and Trump has been demonized precisely because he directly took on the Democratic power base: he pulled a relatively high minority vote, and in states the DNC thought were safe. He has created a legacy in one short year, whereas Obama's legacy is now threatened by the release of information pointing to corruption in his administration. He is winning the political war at every turn, despite the most blatant and feverish attempts to destroy a man I have ever seen.
Trump's legacy is growing and the DNC will do anything to stop it. They want the wall to be a fading, quashed dream, and they know that Trump has the upper hand because of DACA. They want the economy under Trump to fail, but it is exploding before their eyes. This is a way to try and force a victory: if the Republicans had given in on DACA, Trump would have lost his bargaining chip on immigration reform. If they didn't give in, the government shutdown would slow economic growth. One aspect of Trump's legacy was going to take a hit.
But what they didn't count on was their truly worst enemy: the American public. Hurting the economy hurts the people they need to vote for them. Hurting immigration reform might have not hurt as many people (at least not directly). Trump took the best path for him and his agenda... he let the Democrats shut down the government, hurting as many people as possible directly, and made sure the blame was going to fall on the heads of the DNC. Will this be a trying year? Yes, probably. The economic boon will lessen while this goes on and the specter of another shutdown will loom over business growth until the budget process is fixed. A great deal of the economy is tied to government contracts, which a shutdown affects directly. No one will hire more workers for a contract that can be pulled at any time on the whim of one man, especially if that man has shown he cares nothing about anyone but himself and his personal agenda for power.
But that's one year. Just one. Come next January, a new Congress will be seated and it is looking like the Republicans may well get their needed 60-vote majority in the Senate. Even if they just get close, I am proud to say that Doug Jones actually crossed the aisle and did the right thing, Schumer be damned. I'm actually proud of the boy, despite campaigning hard against him. Let's see if the trend continues... for the first time, I have a little hope for him.
Everyone is focused on the wall.