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U.S. Government is Shutting Down at Midnight

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posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 12:55 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: worldstarcountry

My first election was voting for Ronald Reagan.


Same here.




posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Stop calling me ignorant. I'm far from ignorant and stop sticking up for trump if your not a trump supporter cuz you sure could have fooled me.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 12:58 AM
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It was a vote to limit debate. 99 votes, with McCain being "out of town".



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:00 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Vector99
You do know there were dems who voted for the bill and GOP who voted against it right?

Wow the lies flow off your tongue with no effort.

Name one.


Democrats voting yes:
Doug Jones
Joe Donnelly
Joe Manchin III
Heidi Heitkamp
Claire McCaskill

Republicans voting no:
Jeff Flake
Rand Paul
Mike Lee
Lindsay Graham
Mitch McConnell



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:04 AM
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a reply to: Greven

Not a single (D) made the threat to filibuster, because the threat wasn't needed. It's a #show that goes around in circles. Rand opposed it because he is simply pandering. Same with Graham. They know that no (D) would vote yes, and allow the option for a filibuster, which would be met by a response from the (R) voting demographic to invoke Reid's nuclear option, which isn't a politically sound move to make with midterms upcoming.

By pandering the way they have, they will secure (D) and (I) votes when needed. The shutdown is unnecessary but sure makes for some big headlines. Headlines that some dumbass people will read to much into and make too much out of.

We really need the MSM to be outraged at BOTH sides, holding BOTH ends of the candle to a flame to get the sheep-like masses to form an opinion. Currently depending on your news outlet, one or the other is to blame. What?!? they both are. And everyone hates Trump so muh Trump, and congress gets a pass.

you think the (D) and (R) hate Trump? Hell no they don't, they found a 4 year (possibly 8) scapegoat to give them the freedom to act like complete asshats. Every single one of them.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:07 AM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Vector99
You do know there were dems who voted for the bill and GOP who voted against it right?

Wow the lies flow off your tongue with no effort.

Name one.


Democrats voting yes:
Doug Jones
Joe Donnelly
Joe Manchin III
Heidi Heitkamp
Claire McCaskill

Republicans voting no:
Jeff Flake
Rand Paul
Mike Lee
Lindsay Graham
Mitch McConnell

Now let's do some simple math here.

(R) - majority
(D) - 5 yes votes
(R) - 5 no votes
=
pass?

did it pass?



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:07 AM
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a reply to: JinMI

They won't shut down. They are essential. Mitch McConnell could have approved a vote to pay them but I'm guessing trump tied his hands. Guess they won't think too much of their commander in chief if they don't get paid now will they?

Know what trumps concern was? I'm gonna miss my party...



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:08 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Vector99

Stop calling me ignorant. I'm far from ignorant and stop sticking up for trump if your not a trump supporter cuz you sure could have fooled me.

You are ignorant and I didn't stick up for Trump once in this thread further proving your ignorance.

And don't ever tell me what to do or who to stick up for, you'll find me giving you the single-finger salute right away.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:13 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Clair Mccaskill on the dems side voted for and Lindsey Graham on the republican side voted against. There's two...

First you call me ignorant and then you call me a liar. Obviously I am neither.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

You said:


Trump was exaggerating the effects on the military funding.


Then I corrected you.

Everything else is more useless opinion. AKA BS from you as per the norm.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:18 AM
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Let's hope they never open back up.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:18 AM
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To be utterly frank, this was just another major, MAJOR win for Trump.

Think back a half a year ago.

Would his own party have held so closely to his leadership (not budge on DACA) just six months ago?

What has changed?

How has Trump taken such ownership over the R party in such a short time?

Bravo, Mr. PRESIDENT!

You commanded leadership and the R's have followed. I'm very impressed.

Don't sweat the shutdown. This was a show.

It will be up and running and no one will know the difference very soon.

But Trump seriously held the line here. Wow.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:19 AM
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originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Vector99
You do know there were dems who voted for the bill and GOP who voted against it right?

Wow the lies flow off your tongue with no effort.

Name one.


Democrats voting yes:
Doug Jones
Joe Donnelly
Joe Manchin III
Heidi Heitkamp
Claire McCaskill

Republicans voting no:
Jeff Flake
Rand Paul
Mike Lee
Lindsay Graham
Mitch McConnell


Thank you.
edit on 1202018 by Sillyolme because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:23 AM
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a reply to: Sillyolme

If you stick to your story that you are a retired millionaire, you're a liar.

The votes you are talking about were procedural votes, not actual votes on the bill. As i pointed out to greven with his list, there are 5 (D) yes votes and 5 (R) no votes. If that were the actual vote the bill would pass even with McCain absent since Pence would cast the tie-breaking vote.

So yes, I stick to my statement that you are ignorant because your facts only come from msnbc.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:24 AM
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As I said folks, it was a vote to limit debate, not consideration.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:30 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Umm you called me a liar and asked me to name one... I named two off the top of my head.
Then Greven did the research and gave you a list of twelve so what do you do? Move the goal posts. I don't want to reciprocate the name calling but who's really displaying ignorance. Sorry but really dude...



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:30 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Vector99
You do know there were dems who voted for the bill and GOP who voted against it right?

Wow the lies flow off your tongue with no effort.

Name one.


Democrats voting yes:
Doug Jones
Joe Donnelly
Joe Manchin III
Heidi Heitkamp
Claire McCaskill

Republicans voting no:
Jeff Flake
Rand Paul
Mike Lee
Lindsay Graham
Mitch McConnell

Now let's do some simple math here.

(R) - majority
(D) - 5 yes votes
(R) - 5 no votes
=
pass?

did it pass?

It didn't pass or fail.

It wasn't even considered for debate.

A filibuster, if one were to be made, effectively continues the debate indefinitely.

After debate is when a vote occurs, where a bill can pass or fail.

e: The motion to invoke cloture failed, certainly. The bill could still have been put up for consideration, then debate tempting a filibuster and final vote. He chose not to do this.
edit on 1Sat, 20 Jan 2018 01:37:10 -0600America/ChicagovAmerica/Chicago1 by Greven because: (no reason given)



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:31 AM
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a reply to: Vector99

Good night sweety. I'm done with you.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:33 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Vector99

Good night sweety. I'm done with you.

On behalf of ATS, we sincerely hope so.



posted on Jan, 20 2018 @ 01:35 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Vector99
You do know there were dems who voted for the bill and GOP who voted against it right?

Wow the lies flow off your tongue with no effort.

Name one.


www.senate.gov...

Looks like Jones, McCaskill, Manchin and Donnelly voted YEA while Paul, Flake, Graham and Lee voted NAY



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