About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport
YES!! We have yet to see any video of that hallway with it's 200 bullet holes. If he was firing through the door to the suite---he was firing directly at the elevator (if the diagram of the floor I saw is accurate) so that elevator door would have likely taken the most hits. The room doors are inset (notice the inset of the door pictured as "the cart") so the bullets wouldn't be hitting any other guest rooms doors if he is firing from the end of the hall but the walls would likely be highly splintered up.
I wonder---did police not allow people on that floor to retrieve their belongings? Doncha think someone would have shot video of all the bullet holes and those pix would be everywhere on the net by now? Remember the San Bernardino shooting and how the press was wandering through the shooter's home within a day or two of the crime? And yet in this case we have only a handful of "leaked" photos...none of which picture the hallway or the second room. And, among those photos are some taken before the crime scene people had been there, and the one of the door is obviously after the evidence markers have been placed.
If I put on my tin foil hat and think about this---this incident and the lack of photographic evidence brings Sandy Hook to mind. No photos of the crime scene there (except the front door) were ever released to the best of my knowledge. Just a thought.

ETA: Trying to find the original image of the cart I saw pictured outside the door. In one photo it appeared that the table cloth covering the cart might have had holes in it. If I can find that image I'll add a link.

a reply to: diggindirt

I've looked at numerous pics of the cart and hallway but no sign of bullet holes anywhere

He shot close to 600 people from 3-4 football fields away and killed over 50 but 200 rounds in a hotel hallway grazes a leg?

a reply to: matafuchs

Yes if firing blind through door down hallway ........

Doors are inset giving you some cover and keep you out of line of fire

In concert venue have 20 K + people crowded shoulder to shoulder

Don't have to aim - simply spray crowd, you are going to hit someone

There are more holes in this story than in any door.

Remember they claim to have blown the door up yet still the door was seen and supposedly looked like Swiss cheese


After being blown

Maybe they just blew the lock


Obviously the whole story is BS, just told to pacify the MSM idiots who still don’t see anything wrong with building 7 blowing itself up

a reply to: Willtell

Blew the door.

No burn marks.

a reply to: Boadicea

A must read...

In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win. Until he didn't

www.latimes.com...

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

After much searching I found the one on the original thread. (page 237) Upon examination it doesn't have the black spots that appear in some of the cropped photos on the net of the same pic. However, there is a black spot on the molding just above the cart that is consistent in all the photos. Whether it is a bullet hole is not clear.www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Willtell
I downloaded the pic of the door and looked pretty carefully. The lock seems to be intact. All the "breaching" videos I looked at had them laying charges up the hinge side of the door if they were using explosive charges. All those doors just popped away from the frame. If this door already had 200 holes through it, it seems to me that charge would have splintered it down to toothpicks. As I said last night, just makes me want to go dump 200 rounds through a door to see what that looks like.

Something messed up the light to the left of the door---but even at the bottom of the door, no burn marks that some are insisting should be there.

a reply to: diggindirt

Interesting...I just watched one of the breaching videos on YT. There wasn't the 'char' I expected to see, but, yes...I would expect more splintered parts and less intact door.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

On the floors, trying to count, as much as possible, it seems likely this is actually floor 32, as stated, as best I can manage to count, with picture blur, etc. Still, good to have the pics posted especially if they are being removed from online!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Alright, taking thee pics you have posted, I have enlarged, and numbered the floors, so we can see if what we are told looks accurate. Based on this one -



We can see that the broken windows are on the sixth level down from that concrete-looking vertical trim.

So, in this one, I started labeling there, calling that floor 32, as is officially claimed. As best I can tell, with the lower part somewhat covered, that looks pretty close to correct. The lower floor is likely higher, which would account for the space not shown, with such a building likely having a two-level first floor. Hopefully, you can read the numbers placed.



Having some sort of official map of the place would be nice, but we have to work with what we have at hand!!

This is my own count, and it could be off someplace, so anyone, feel free to poke holes if you see an issue! Just looking to learn as much as we can here.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

"Mystery swamp creature crawls out of Malaysian familys toilet"

Holy constipation Batman !!!!

Man that would give me the creeps - have to start checking toilet before ........

Yeah, no kidding! Meanwhile, though, what sorts of creatures are appearing in this case??

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Is there a 13th floor officially?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Not necessary explosive

Often use a 12 gauge shotgun with special breaching rounds to blew lock and/or hinges from door

Rounds made with metal shot held together with binder - round disintegrates on impact

Actually can buy them .......

www.firequest.com...

a reply to: firerescue
Except that in the 60 Minutes interview one guy specifically said he was watching another lay the charge.

And I'm watchin' Levi put the charge on 'em. I'm like, "Hurry, hurry, hurry, but be quiet." And-- so then we got it hung and then we retreated back into the stairwell, blow the door.

www.cbsnews.com...

If they are close enough to lay a charge on the door, and the door "looks like Swiss cheese" why not just sneak a peek in and check out what's happening?

One of the questions in my mind is this: When were the cameras turned off? They have stated multiple times that the shooter spotted the guard on the cameras he had set up. I have heard the sheriff say that the cameras were not recording but he's never said if they were on when the breach was made. Did the concussion from the breach break some connection or what?

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

At this point, it's like they don't even care that we know they're full of it. They just go through the motions.

We know they cleared guests from other rooms, and that they didn't know about the connecting room till they breached the first one, and they had to breach that door to enter that room. Had it been open, for him to run back and forth firing from both windows, why would they have to breach it? Who locked it, since he was sound dead in the first room? Did someone else exit that room, posing as a scared guest? Did the police arrive seconds after the guard was shot, or five minutes, or twelve-plus? Was the guy shot through a closed door, or an open one?

Yeah, that whole second room is weird. Everything I've read about it doesn't add up.

And now that they've changed the timeline -- again -- I keep wondering how could anyone think it was a good idea to evacuate the other guests down that exact same hallway that the gunman had just shot the security guard in??? That makes no sense at all and it's the number one reason I don't buy it. If anything, they would be notifying those guests to stay in their rooms and take cover in the bathtub or something.

a reply to: Boadicea
Ah, but what I still want to know: (and any good reporter out there should be able to find out)

1. How many rooms are on the wing where the shooting occurred?

2. How many of those rooms were reserved for that night?

3. How many of those rooms were actually occupied by paying guests that night? How many no-shows?

4. How many guests were escorted from that wing by police and the guard?

If it turned out that the entire wing was empty except for that suite at the end of the hall? Makes you wonder...but I've yet to even see a reporter even approach those questions. They are far too busy repeating over and over what the spokepersons say. I suppose the feds could have warned the employees not to talk under pain of arrest for "interfering in an investigation"...thus the total silence. It will be interesting to see who writes the first book.

originally posted by: judydawg
a reply to: Boadicea

A must read...

In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win. Until he didn't

www.latimes.com...

I did read that... Seems like it was just work for him. He figured out how it works and worked it. I couldn't do it. More because casinos make my head spin. Literally sensory overload.

And when I picture this shooting nightmare on top of that -- oh wow! I'd probably have a nervous breakdown on the spot!

a reply to: Boadicea

As you say after the alleged gunman had fired apparently 200 bullets into the hallway, why on earth would they attempt to evacuate people down that same hallway, seemingly unaware of whether the gunman was dead or alive and able to re-commence firing down the hallway again? Seems a bloody stupid thing to do personally

If the alleged gunman had fired 200 rounds through the door, surely it wouldn't need blowing? They could have just kicked the damn thing in? They could have seen something surely through the various 200 holes? Like another poster said the door would have been like swiss cheese and yet I can find no pictures or evidence of ANY bullet holes in that corridor not even on the room service trolley which was clearly in the direct line of fire

If the gunman did indeed shoot Campos in the lower leg, was the gunman shooting lying down on the floor behind the door? That's the only way I can think he would only get shot in the lower leg and not get hit by the multitude of bullets flying around.

It has been confirmed this morning that it took police a total of 81mins to storm the room. I've never come across such an utterly ridiculous timescale for a mass shooting before. In most if not all other shootings SWAT are in and out in minutes and don't mess about. There are now calls to account for the time spent before accessing the room. They didn't breach the room until 11.20pm despite last shots being fired at 10.12 and silence therefrom. There was no communication with the gunman no threats no negotiation so in the 70mins of silence what did Police do? Oh yeah they apparently cleared the floor into the same hall 200 bullets had just been fired into....hmmmm

Now this could be down to all the multiple shooting reports (a distraction?) but it should be noted that it is now stated that Campos was shot at 9.59 and immediately reported it to reception who called police, so they knew exactly where the gunman was, what room/floor etc so what was the delay?

a reply to: diggindirt

Valid questions.

I suppose the feds could have warned the employees not to talk under pain of arrest for "interfering in an investigation"...thus the total silence. It will be interesting to see who writes the first book.

That might work for the hotel guests who had direct intervention with authorities, but it sure doesn't explain the general public's silence.