About the Vegas Killer... newest info

Can someone in the know answer me a question please? Would you be able to smell gunpowder in the concert area considering the distance the alleged shooter was away from that area?

Reason I ask is I'm ploughing through tons of eye witness statements reports and facebook posts and many are saying they could strongly smell gunpowder and they were sure there were shooters on the ground.

I will also add that some have come out and said the official story does NOT match with their experiences

a reply to: Boadicea

No, sorry I can't recall where I read that.
I haven't slept in the last 36 hours so....

According to police and media, the breach charges did not occur until after 11pm. So no, I would imagine that she was talking about earlier in the footage. She repeats that experience multiple times as she is talking to others. Realize, that the bus stop footage captures the shooting near the end. They obviously did not have taping of the initial shootings. It was experienced though.

Edit add: a reply to: diggindirt

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Will you post links to anything you are finding? I think you are researching things that are on my own list of stuff to look into.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Bummer... hope you get some sleep soon -- enjoy

a reply to: MotherMayEye

With the release of yesterday's information by the sheriff, changing the timeline of the shooting, the story of the guy in the room below makes far more sense and leaves me with little doubt about the floor number. When I initially read that story it made no sense----that he didn't hear any shattering glass until after the first two volleys, didn't hear any echoes until then either.

But if, as the sheriff reported yesterday, the "200 rounds" shot at guard were indeed the first shots fired in/from that room, it makes sense that he fired off two of 100 round mags (we saw in the photos said to be from the room) down the hall. No echoes would have been created from that. The guy said that he was at the window looking out to see if he could see the fireworks when the third volley began and debris fell around his window, making him move away from the window. It was then that he heard the first echoes of the shots. I'll see if I can find the link to that story.

So that leads me to believe it was entirely possible that only people in nearby rooms of the hotel were able to hear the first two volleys, people at the concert wouldn't have been able to hear those shots because of the music. Thus, the first shots heard at the concert were NOT the first shots fired, they were the first shots fired at/through the window. And seriously, how many people going to Vegas are going to be tucked into their hotel rooms at 10 PM so most of the rooms were probably empty at that time. This guy said he had just arrived and was getting ready to retire due to having just arrived if I remember. I'll look for that story and post a link.

a reply to: CynConcepts

DUH! (Slaps forehead!!) Sometimes my brain goes on vacation. Thanks for pointing that out. So there probably aren't any videos which have the sounds of the breach, just the audio from the cop talk. Haven't had time to completely review that yet.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

power of suggestion ....

Hear sounds of gunfire - associate smell of gunpowder with it

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I am not sure about a gun deal, though that is possible. For e, it seems more likely that the guns were there to make the scene more shocking, so that people would push for ore gun control, and more "security", etc.

That might be more true than either of us realize! My best guess at this point is that the security guards do have something to do with this, hence the reports of shooters with security jackets/vests and being chased by other security. If it's the security guard union behind this, then I guess that's exactly what they would want -- for folks to be so scared and intimidated they scream for more security... as in security guards.

Quite possible! Some have suggested, too, that companies that make devices for scanning people in various ways could be involved. Either way, control is at issue here, and possibly profit as well. Sick world....

Either way, I agree, he wasn't working alone, and it's quite possible some in government were involved. Not certain, by any means, as it could be antifa types or ISIS, or some other group as yet unnamed.

My bet is on the unnamed group...

I am thinking "deep state", personally, and could attach a name to that, but prefer not to type it.

Most interesting, too, I just heard on the news that the security guard was shot BEFORE shots were fired at the concert goers. So, even more opportunity for the guy to flee, and why did the guard not report this to police, and only tell them after they arrived on that floor?? What, no means of communication with the Front Desk? Makes no sense at all!!

That's just crazy. From one story to the exact opposite? It didn't make sense before, and makes even less sense now!

Beyond crazy!! The timelines don't mess at all. I posted some of this elsewhere, but will add it here, too. Several sources, and changing stories.

The security guard had been responding to customer’s calls about a shooting, which had begun at 10.05pm. One customer was a man who had served in the military and was able to identify that shots were coming from directly above his room that was towards the end of a hallway.

On the 32nd floor, noticing an ajar door, the security guard began approaching and was then hit by some of the hundreds of bullets Paddock fired into the hallway.

Police, who had been checking the 31st floor, arrived “in a matter of seconds” to find the security guard at 10.17pm, who was able to identify the shooter’s room.

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That's one early account. Then there is this timeline, updated last on the 5'th:

10:05 p.m. This is when Paddock begins to fire, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department says Wednesday.

10:08 p.m. “I see the shots coming from Mandalay Bay, halfway up!” someone says in police scanner audio published by Broadcastify.

10:12 p.m. Two officers reach the 31st floor of the casino "and announce the gunfire is coming from directly above them," Las Vegas police later say on Wednesday.

10:15 p.m. Paddock fires his final shots, police say Wednesday.

10:17 p.m. This is when two officers get to the 32nd floor, where Paddock was, according to the police timeline.

10:18 p.m A security guard says he's been shot and tells them where Paddock's room is, police say Wednesday.

source

Now, check the details in this timeline article:

The first shots were fired at 10:05 p.m., according to closed-circuit television from the concert venue. The shooting continued for 10 minutes, until 10:15 p.m. Fifty-eight people were killed in the shooting, and 489 injured, Lombardo said.

Lombardo said he doesn't know why Paddock stopped firing, but he "could've kept continued firing, some were jammed but he could've continued."

The first officers arrived on the 31st floor -- one floor below where Paddock was firing -- at 10:12 p.m. Officers arrived at the 32nd floor at 10:17 p.m. Lombardo said it was "phenomenal" they reached the 32nd floor within 12 minutes of when shots rang out.

One minute later, a security officer told Las Vegas police officers he was shot and gives them the exact location of the shooter. Lombardo said he didn't know if the security officer was armed.

"His bravery was amazing," Lombardo said. "He remained with officers and actually continued to help clear rooms until officer told him to seek medical attention." Lombardo said that by his estimate, 200 rounds were fired into the hallway.

Between 10:26 p.m. and 10:30 p.m., eight additional officers arrived on the 32nd floor and moved systematically through the hallway, clearing the rooms and looking for any more injured.

At 10:55 p.m., eight officers arrived in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to the Paddock's room. They saw the room service cart, which Lombardo said it was apparent there were cameras. They determined none of the cameras were recording.

The officers spent the next 30 minutes formulating a plan to enter Paddock's room. The delay was "purposeful and no shots were being heard at this point," Lombardo said.

While the first strike team was working on a plan, a second strike team comprised of a SWAT officer, patrol officers wearing heavy tactical gear and carrying a large bag with tactical equipment and holding rifles, and two canine officers arrived.

At 11:20 p.m., officers first breached Paddock's room. They observed the suspect on the ground and noticed a second door they could not access. At 11:27 p.m., the second breach was set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realized there was no one else in their rooms and announced that information over the radio.
Lombardo said they have yet to pinpoint if it was heard when Paddock shot himself. But Lombardo said the evidence indicated that Paddock intended to survive the shooting. Photos from the scene indicated there was a note on yellow paper, and Lombardo said he could not recall that specific paper but he was certain there was no suicide note.

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Now we are told the guard was shot before those at the concert? The guard was checking a "open door alarm"?

We know they cleared guests from other rooms, and that they didn't know about the connecting room till they breached the first one, and they had to breach that door to enter that room. Had it been open, for him to run back and forth firing from both windows, why would they have to breach it? Who locked it, since he was sound dead in the first room? Did someone else exit that room, posing as a scared guest? Did the police arrive seconds after the guard was shot, or five minutes, or twelve-plus? Was the guy shot through a closed door, or an open one?

None of this makes sense. I can't believe competent police can't see these issues as well as we can! Who is hiding what, and why??

a reply to: diggindirt

From this story find that shooter was still preparing positions when security guard showed up

The security guard had been responding to a door alarm on the floor when he heard drilling that he found odd, Undersheriff Kevin McMahill told KNPR on Tuesday. That was when Paddock fired hundreds of rounds at the guard and a maintenance man, McMahill said.

Paddock had power tools and was trying to drill a hole in a wall, perhaps to mount another of the security cameras he set up around him, or to point a rifle through, but he never completed the work, Lombardo said. He also drilled holes and bolted a metal bar to try to prevent the opening of an emergency exit stairwell door near his room.

Drilling loophole in wall to shoot from....

Putting up camera to watch hallways ....

Placing metal bars on stairway doors to prevent doors from opening .....

Wonder what this guy was truly up to

Maybe shooting at concert was PLAN B set in motion when security guy showed up

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

"Mystery swamp creature crawls out of Malaysian familys toilet"

Holy constipation Batman !!!!

Man that would give me the creeps - have to start checking toilet before ........

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Sorry dear I can't really its all over the place, facebook and youtube mainly and as yet only hearsay, however I do tend to believe eye witness accounts of some things despite the chaos there was. Its a matter of sorting wheat from chafe and tough going. There are some truly stupid videos about that's for sure! But here's a couple I've watched so far that mention the gunsmoke issue



The lady (who unfortunately can't even get the Mandalay Hotel name right!) that hosts this channel was messaged by a witness who was at Planet Hollywood and who left a long statement on her video channel basically saying that the story as she saw it/knows it is nothing like the official story. This is what KarenTechgirl had to say in the comments section (not sure if it is her actual statement or not but quote it here for those that don't want to watch videos)

I don't know anything about being a crisis actor but I will tell you that I was running for my #ing life after hearing gunshots and tore a muscle in my thigh doing so. However, I was no where near Mandalay Bay or that concert. I was at Planet Hollywood. SOMEBODY was shooting there. I am from Detroit and know gunfire unfortunately. This entire story is foul that is true, but for different reasons. What I experienced and what is being seen on the news are totally different. While we were on lockdown we were told that the Mandalay Bay shooter was killed by police. We were told there was a bomb threat at the Luxor AND we were held at the conference center in Planet Hollywood for an additional 4 hours because they said they were still looking for the "other suspects" involved in this shooting. When I woke up the entire story was slowly changing into something else. I saw a lot of horrible # that night and overheard police scanner chatter on security which reported multiple shooters in different locations. in fact I'm still jumping from loud noises even though I left Las Vegas on Wednesday. The day of the 2nd the left side of the strip was closed to both auto and pedestrian traffic, they said the ENTIRE strip was a crime scene. You couldn't get past certain points without showing your hotel key card to verify that you needed to enter certain areas. I was staying at the Elara Hilton and that's the side of the strip that was semi open to walking people. As far as these news interviews.. I did not see ONE news van or television station interviewing anyone. I suspect they were doing that on the other side of the street that was closed to everyone else. So overall here is my synopsis... there were at least 3 possibly 4 shooters based on what I heard on the ground. Homeland Security took over all information and was running the scene after the bomb threat. This lone wolf shooter story is complete bull#, but no this was not a hoax. Real people were killed and injured that night but what exactly went down is still sketchy to even me because it was total and complete Chaos all around that strip all night long.

This woman's channel Rockin News also mentions the 2 tall towers behind the stage in a secure area owned by MGM apparently, and feels the shooting came from there. These towers have been mentioned a few times by others too as a possible place for the actual shooter not the hotel

And another quick question as I can't find any answer searching, there doesn't appear to be any mention of these 200 bullet holes in the hallway....which there must be if he truly did fire 200 shots at the security guard (I wonder who counted them lol) That hallway must be riddled with holes

BTW, since they changed the timeline regarding Campos, have they still stuck to the hour wait scenario.

So in this version, Campos was gunned and then he called, what, not his superior, as the first version was told us.

Paddock shot through the door, hitting a hotel security guard in the leg. Cops pulled back and waited for the SWAT team. Breaching the suite door, they discovered Paddock already dead.

deadline.com...


So now Paddock did all his damage and they knew, or should have known, where and what he was doing in that room….As they waited an hour and cleared the room.

What time was Campos shot at?


And what about any images from the cameras set up by Paddock?

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Boadicea

I actually see it differently...

I think the maintenance guy threatened to go public and forced the officials hand. I think the maintenance guy probably contacted his supervisor about what was going on, and this was never reported, and he threatened (with substantiating evidence) to go forward. Officials were left no choice but to revise the narrative as a result.

The maintenance guy was probably saying "Screw that! People are lying!" He probably showed up, either found Campos shot or saw him get shot, called it in on his radio, and it's documented...all BEFORE the shooting started. More importantly, if he did just that, other people on the radio heard it...so there are multiple witnesses...more than they can control. They were left no choice but to change the official story. Think about it, it's a MASSIVE change-up in the official story. This is game changing! Why? Why, when they could have just left it alone??? (because something forced them to do it, that's why).

Now the real question will become...Why didn't Campos himself report what was going on???

After all, he arrived first.

Exactly! It couldn't be because he was unable to move, and call for help, because we are told he stuck around and helped clear guests from other rooms. So, why a delay of 18-19 minutes for police to arrive? Seems they weren't told the guard was # when it actually happened!

Another point I want to make here is important, and people rarely think of it.

Most police officers and firefighters are not as brave as you see on TV.

I know this from personal experience

These police and swat people are surely brave people, not to take anything away from them, BUT there not going to take a bullet for no reason

They do not just barge in where a killer has guns

So some of this may be that the police were super cautious or even afraid

a reply to: Willtell

And what about any images from the cameras set up by Paddock?

Could be they will show that it doesn't match what is being told.

He shot close to 600 people from 3-4 football fields away and killed over 50 but 200 rounds in a hotel hallway grazes a leg?

a reply to: Willtell
According to yesterday's press conference, at 9:59.

www.youtube.com...

The question is asked and answered about 7:00 minute mark in the video.

I swear I saw a video of the sheriff saying that those cameras were not operational but the narrative that he spied the guard on camera is still going on....

In case this has been missed:

Forensic acoustic analysis confirms existence (and range) of second Las Vegas shooter

vimeo.com...

In essence, because of the differences in the speed of sound vs. the speed of the bullets from a known cartridge (.223 Remington, in this case), the time lag between the last bullet hitting the pavement and the last audible report of the rifle muzzle can be used to very accurately calculate the range of the shooter.

More importantly, when the audio from the Las Vegas shooting is analyzed, it reveals TWO shooters operating at the same time, not just one shooter. Shooter #1 is operating at 425 – 475 yards, which is consistent with the Mandalay Bay hotel, but shooter #2 is operating at approximately 250 – 270 yards.

The analyst gives several precise locations for another shooter.