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originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes
I am not sure about a gun deal, though that is possible. For e, it seems more likely that the guns were there to make the scene more shocking, so that people would push for ore gun control, and more "security", etc.
That might be more true than either of us realize! My best guess at this point is that the security guards do have something to do with this, hence the reports of shooters with security jackets/vests and being chased by other security. If it's the security guard union behind this, then I guess that's exactly what they would want -- for folks to be so scared and intimidated they scream for more security... as in security guards.
Either way, I agree, he wasn't working alone, and it's quite possible some in government were involved. Not certain, by any means, as it could be antifa types or ISIS, or some other group as yet unnamed.
My bet is on the unnamed group...
Most interesting, too, I just heard on the news that the security guard was shot BEFORE shots were fired at the concert goers. So, even more opportunity for the guy to flee, and why did the guard not report this to police, and only tell them after they arrived on that floor?? What, no means of communication with the Front Desk? Makes no sense at all!!
That's just crazy. From one story to the exact opposite? It didn't make sense before, and makes even less sense now!
The security guard had been responding to customer’s calls about a shooting, which had begun at 10.05pm. One customer was a man who had served in the military and was able to identify that shots were coming from directly above his room that was towards the end of a hallway.
On the 32nd floor, noticing an ajar door, the security guard began approaching and was then hit by some of the hundreds of bullets Paddock fired into the hallway.
Police, who had been checking the 31st floor, arrived “in a matter of seconds” to find the security guard at 10.17pm, who was able to identify the shooter’s room.
10:05 p.m. This is when Paddock begins to fire, the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department says Wednesday.
10:08 p.m. “I see the shots coming from Mandalay Bay, halfway up!” someone says in police scanner audio published by Broadcastify.
10:12 p.m. Two officers reach the 31st floor of the casino "and announce the gunfire is coming from directly above them," Las Vegas police later say on Wednesday.
10:15 p.m. Paddock fires his final shots, police say Wednesday.
10:17 p.m. This is when two officers get to the 32nd floor, where Paddock was, according to the police timeline.
10:18 p.m A security guard says he's been shot and tells them where Paddock's room is, police say Wednesday.
The first shots were fired at 10:05 p.m., according to closed-circuit television from the concert venue. The shooting continued for 10 minutes, until 10:15 p.m. Fifty-eight people were killed in the shooting, and 489 injured, Lombardo said.
Lombardo said he doesn't know why Paddock stopped firing, but he "could've kept continued firing, some were jammed but he could've continued."
The first officers arrived on the 31st floor -- one floor below where Paddock was firing -- at 10:12 p.m. Officers arrived at the 32nd floor at 10:17 p.m. Lombardo said it was "phenomenal" they reached the 32nd floor within 12 minutes of when shots rang out.
One minute later, a security officer told Las Vegas police officers he was shot and gives them the exact location of the shooter. Lombardo said he didn't know if the security officer was armed.
"His bravery was amazing," Lombardo said. "He remained with officers and actually continued to help clear rooms until officer told him to seek medical attention." Lombardo said that by his estimate, 200 rounds were fired into the hallway.
Between 10:26 p.m. and 10:30 p.m., eight additional officers arrived on the 32nd floor and moved systematically through the hallway, clearing the rooms and looking for any more injured.
At 10:55 p.m., eight officers arrived in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to the Paddock's room. They saw the room service cart, which Lombardo said it was apparent there were cameras. They determined none of the cameras were recording.
The officers spent the next 30 minutes formulating a plan to enter Paddock's room. The delay was "purposeful and no shots were being heard at this point," Lombardo said.
While the first strike team was working on a plan, a second strike team comprised of a SWAT officer, patrol officers wearing heavy tactical gear and carrying a large bag with tactical equipment and holding rifles, and two canine officers arrived.
At 11:20 p.m., officers first breached Paddock's room. They observed the suspect on the ground and noticed a second door they could not access. At 11:27 p.m., the second breach was set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realized there was no one else in their rooms and announced that information over the radio.
Lombardo said they have yet to pinpoint if it was heard when Paddock shot himself. But Lombardo said the evidence indicated that Paddock intended to survive the shooting. Photos from the scene indicated there was a note on yellow paper, and Lombardo said he could not recall that specific paper but he was certain there was no suicide note.
The security guard had been responding to a door alarm on the floor when he heard drilling that he found odd, Undersheriff Kevin McMahill told KNPR on Tuesday. That was when Paddock fired hundreds of rounds at the guard and a maintenance man, McMahill said.
Paddock had power tools and was trying to drill a hole in a wall, perhaps to mount another of the security cameras he set up around him, or to point a rifle through, but he never completed the work, Lombardo said. He also drilled holes and bolted a metal bar to try to prevent the opening of an emergency exit stairwell door near his room.
I don't know anything about being a crisis actor but I will tell you that I was running for my #ing life after hearing gunshots and tore a muscle in my thigh doing so. However, I was no where near Mandalay Bay or that concert. I was at Planet Hollywood. SOMEBODY was shooting there. I am from Detroit and know gunfire unfortunately. This entire story is foul that is true, but for different reasons. What I experienced and what is being seen on the news are totally different. While we were on lockdown we were told that the Mandalay Bay shooter was killed by police. We were told there was a bomb threat at the Luxor AND we were held at the conference center in Planet Hollywood for an additional 4 hours because they said they were still looking for the "other suspects" involved in this shooting. When I woke up the entire story was slowly changing into something else. I saw a lot of horrible # that night and overheard police scanner chatter on security which reported multiple shooters in different locations. in fact I'm still jumping from loud noises even though I left Las Vegas on Wednesday. The day of the 2nd the left side of the strip was closed to both auto and pedestrian traffic, they said the ENTIRE strip was a crime scene. You couldn't get past certain points without showing your hotel key card to verify that you needed to enter certain areas. I was staying at the Elara Hilton and that's the side of the strip that was semi open to walking people. As far as these news interviews.. I did not see ONE news van or television station interviewing anyone. I suspect they were doing that on the other side of the street that was closed to everyone else. So overall here is my synopsis... there were at least 3 possibly 4 shooters based on what I heard on the ground. Homeland Security took over all information and was running the scene after the bomb threat. This lone wolf shooter story is complete bull#, but no this was not a hoax. Real people were killed and injured that night but what exactly went down is still sketchy to even me because it was total and complete Chaos all around that strip all night long.
Paddock shot through the door, hitting a hotel security guard in the leg. Cops pulled back and waited for the SWAT team. Breaching the suite door, they discovered Paddock already dead.
originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: Boadicea
I actually see it differently...
I think the maintenance guy threatened to go public and forced the officials hand. I think the maintenance guy probably contacted his supervisor about what was going on, and this was never reported, and he threatened (with substantiating evidence) to go forward. Officials were left no choice but to revise the narrative as a result.
The maintenance guy was probably saying "Screw that! People are lying!" He probably showed up, either found Campos shot or saw him get shot, called it in on his radio, and it's documented...all BEFORE the shooting started. More importantly, if he did just that, other people on the radio heard it...so there are multiple witnesses...more than they can control. They were left no choice but to change the official story. Think about it, it's a MASSIVE change-up in the official story. This is game changing! Why? Why, when they could have just left it alone??? (because something forced them to do it, that's why).
Now the real question will become...Why didn't Campos himself report what was going on???
After all, he arrived first.
Forensic acoustic analysis confirms existence (and range) of second Las Vegas shooter
In essence, because of the differences in the speed of sound vs. the speed of the bullets from a known cartridge (.223 Remington, in this case), the time lag between the last bullet hitting the pavement and the last audible report of the rifle muzzle can be used to very accurately calculate the range of the shooter.
More importantly, when the audio from the Las Vegas shooting is analyzed, it reveals TWO shooters operating at the same time, not just one shooter. Shooter #1 is operating at 425 – 475 yards, which is consistent with the Mandalay Bay hotel, but shooter #2 is operating at approximately 250 – 270 yards.