Did God Abandon Us?

a reply to: daskakik

Imagine the word religious fundy and then just put the word atheist in front of it instead of religious
It's that simple

originally posted by: MrBlaq
a reply to: Jay-morris

Honestly If any of these christian; islam, Catholic ended up to be real, i would be absolutly gutted. There is no way i would worship a god like that. I think more and more people are turning away from religon because as we move foward, and we understand more about the universe , its quite clear that these books are man made, by primitive people. Hence the reason why these books are filled with hate, rape, muder and sacrifices. But believers tend to cherry pick these books to their own liking

You stated as we move forward

Move forward? Move forward into what?

Apparently you're one who lives the cliche ignorance is bliss,
and has never read or ever watched any news reports for the
last 30 years

What the hell are you talking about! Read my post! I said as we move forward and know more about the universe.

How do i live in ignorance ? I cant wait to read your reply!

a reply to: Raggedyman

Well your use of the term prompted me to look up the definition of fundamentalist:

an adherent of fundamentalism, a religious movement characterized by a strict belief in the literal interpretation of religious texts:

ETA: It's first use was in a pro-fundy article which said, in part:

Fundamentalism is a protest against that rationalistic interpretation of Christianity which seeks to discredit supernaturalism.

Don't recall if you have ever referred to me in this way but it wouldn't fit and I don't think just being an atheist and being here makes someone a atheist fundy.

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Raggedyman

Well they're on their own journey. Some go through hell during life. I only have to live with myself and am not responsible for their choices.
What annoys me is this judgmental mindset tough. No clue what they're talking about but screaming louder than their own mind.

Cant blame them really, having to put up with crazed religious people for so long, pity they cant identify their actions mirror those they oppose
Anything, and I mean anything to justify our natural selves, me to sadly

nature doesnt give a damn about justification. justification is a uniquely human urge, a direct consequence of accusation or prosecution which is also a uniquely human urge. Ronan the Accuser from that marvel movie is an unfortunately apt description for some of these theological models. Could Chris Pratt be construed as the Fallen Angel in such a context? Perhaps we 'Xandarians' would have been better off if he had been a little quicker on his feet like in the movie. Where is Kevin Bacon when you need him?

Considering you dont believe in God
Kinda being here makes you an atheist fundy, dontcha think

what i think doesnt matter. none of this does.

originally posted by: MrBlaq
a reply to: Jay-morris

Honestly If any of these christian; islam, Catholic ended up to be real, i would be absolutly gutted. There is no way i would worship a god like that. I think more and more people are turning away from religon because as we move foward, and we understand more about the universe , its quite clear that these books are man made, by primitive people. Hence the reason why these books are filled with hate, rape, muder and sacrifices. But believers tend to cherry pick these books to their own liking

You stated as we move forward

Move forward? Move forward into what?

Apparently you're one who lives the cliche ignorance is bliss,
and has never read or ever watched any news reports for the
last 30 years

our extinction? i dunno, just a guess.

a reply to: daskakik

Yeah, sorry, maybe I better explain my view then
You looked up the word as a noun
Fundamental has a meaning, the word has a foundation, not just a noun

Then to describe someone from that word we make it a noun based on the word

A description of a person who has a basic, simplistic view of an opinion they hold.
They can only see their own opinion, can't and won't engage in conversation, thinks and believes only they are right, disrespects and attacks those with a differing opinion

The fundamental belief that you are right, that everyone else is wrong and because they are wrong, are not as worthy as you.
When I say you, it's generic, meaning not you personally


Or, imagine atheists who act like Wesboro church members, whinge and complain about everything they don't think is right, post in every religios thread, negative comments, hate religion and those with a faith, irrespective

I believe atheism is a choice, a faith and it has become a religion, take the spaghetti monster as a fruit from its tree
Fundamentalists

a reply to: TzarChasm

Well for someone who thinks they don't matter you are very opinionated, why is that I wonder?
Maybe it does matter and you want to be heard

As a Christian, I believe we are uniquely and wonderfully made, made to be in a caring relationship with each other and our environment. Made to be in relationship with God

So for me it does matter, quite a lot in fact

Let's agree to disagree

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: TzarChasm

Well for someone who thinks they don't matter you are very opinionated, why is that I wonder?
Maybe it does matter and you want to be heard

As a Christian, I believe we are uniquely and wonderfully made, made to be in a caring relationship with each other and our environment. Made to be in relationship with God

So for me it does matter, quite a lot in fact

Let's agree to disagree

Nothing but sentiment and fluff. Doesnt matter anyway.

God didn't abandon us. We pretty much banned/abandoned Him.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
Yeah, sorry, maybe I better explain my view then
You looked up the word as a noun
Fundamental has a meaning, the word has a foundation, not just a noun

Yeah but you said that it was the same as christian fundamentalist but with atheist in front. That term has a meaning and not just the foundation of the word.

The fundamental belief that you are right, that everyone else is wrong and because they are wrong, are not as worthy as you.
When I say you, it's generic, meaning not you personally

Understood that it isn't personal but this debases the meaning. I think chocolate is the best ice cream flavor. I'm a chocolate fundamentalist? Ok, but christian fundamentalist still has that other particular meaning.

Or, imagine atheists who act like Wesboro church members, whinge and complain about everything they don't think is right, post in every religios thread, negative comments, hate religion and those with a faith, irrespective

At least your honest, of course I already knew this is what you meant. Still doesn't fit.

People canvasing a neighborhood to spread their message may have "the fundamental belief that you are right, that everyone else is wrong and because they are wrong, are not as worthy as you" but they are not necessarily fundamentalists.

ETA: Of course the people described above would be the average religious person asking to speak with you, offer to leaving something for you to read and if you say no thanks, they might reply "have a nice day" and move on to the next house.

I believe atheism is a choice, a faith and it has become a religion, take the spaghetti monster as a fruit from its tree
Fundamentalists

Yeah well not all Christians are fundamentalists but you sure want to claim all atheists are. I disagree with anyone who tries to paint either side with that broad of a brush.

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: daskakik

Yeah, sorry, maybe I better explain my view then
You looked up the word as a noun
Fundamental has a meaning, the word has a foundation, not just a noun

Then to describe someone from that word we make it a noun based on the word

A description of a person who has a basic, simplistic view of an opinion they hold.
They can only see their own opinion, can't and won't engage in conversation, thinks and believes only they are right, disrespects and attacks those with a differing opinion

The fundamental belief that you are right, that everyone else is wrong and because they are wrong, are not as worthy as you.
When I say you, it's generic, meaning not you personally


Or, imagine atheists who act like Wesboro church members, whinge and complain about everything they don't think is right, post in every religios thread, negative comments, hate religion and those with a faith, irrespective

I believe atheism is a choice, a faith and it has become a religion, take the spaghetti monster as a fruit from its tree
Fundamentalists

I can never look at a frog again without thinking of you...and that's sad, cause I like frogs. Have you ever actually stopped and thought to yourself, "do I act like Jesus"?

a reply to: Raggedyman

The people who decided to call themselves Fundamentalists certainly did not intend that the label be used as a pejorative.

Fundamentalism
The term "fundamentalism" has roots in the Niagara Bible Conference (1878–1897), which defined those tenets it considered fundamental to Christian belief. The term was prefigured by The Fundamentals, a collection of twelve books on five subjects published in 1910 and funded by the brothers Milton and Lyman Stewart, but coined by Curtis Lee Lawes, editor of The Watchman-Examiner, who proposed in the wake of the 1920 pre-convention meeting of the Northern Baptist Convention (now the American Baptist Churches USA) that those fighting for the fundamentals of the faith be called "fundamentalists." The Fundamentals came to represent a Fundamentalist-Modernist Controversy that appeared late in the 19th century within some Protestant denominations in the United States, and continued in earnest through the 1920s. The first formulation of American fundamentalist beliefs traces to the Niagara Bible Conference and, in 1910, to the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church, which distilled these into what became known as the five fundamentals:
Biblical inspiration and the infallibility of scripture as a result of this
Virgin birth of Jesus
Belief that Christ's death was the atonement for sin
Bodily resurrection of Jesus
Historical reality of the miracles of Jesus

It did not (yet) become associated with tenets such as Young Earth creationism.

a reply to: daskakik

I never said all atheists are fundy atheists, just the few here and there who post comments like these

"God's mom called him to dinner, afterwards he has to brush his teeth and go to bed."

"No. The God of this world is not 'God'. And nothing here is what it seems. If you feel the need to bow down to any God, you're going backwards, not forwards."

"There are no gods and never have been. Or anything else.
Start thinking"

""God" is just a control mechanism to deprive you of your freedom of self."

"don't let any religion on this earth convince you they are god's chosen representatives or ambassadors. They aren't."


I could go on and on and on, quotes from this topic only
None addrressing the issue at hand, the question, just attacking belief, not unlike christian fundamentalists who want a theocracy, who want control over others, not unlike the arrogance of christian fundys. Atheists fighting for the fundamentals of the faith

Like some one changed the word fundamentalist to explain fundamental clinging christians, I choose the same to explain fundamental clinging atheists.
Is it a pejorative, I havnt decided, I just used it a a noun for some atheists, if you think their attitude is...

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

I can never look at a frog again without thinking of you...and that's sad, cause I like frogs. Have you ever actually stopped and thought to yourself, "do I act like Jesus"?

You need to get out and live a life, to much net is not healthy
Circulate, meet people, join meetup
www.meetup.com...

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I never said all atheists are fundy atheists, just the few here and there who post comments like these

None of those quotes means that these people are posting these things because they adhere to some atheist "religious" text. Fundamentalism, as used in "christian fundamentalists", comes from the literal interpretation of religious texts. There is context that can't be applied generally.

I could go on and on and on, quotes from this topic only
None addrressing the issue at hand, the question, just attacking belief, not unlike christian fundamentalists who want a theocracy, who want control over others, not unlike the arrogance of christian fundys. Atheists fighting for the fundamentals of the faith

But the definition of fundamentalism in your previous post makes fundamentalists of all christians that thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong, which includes everyone of them, even those who are not seeking a theocracy.

It even makes fundamentalists of anyone who thinks they are right about anything while others are wrong.

The word fundamental doesn't even have the superiority that you want to give it. Balance is fundamental to riding a bicycle.

"Hey look at jim over there he's a fundamentalist because he thinks you need balance to ride a bike"

That sentence makes no sense. Even by your definition, Jim isn't fighting for the fundamentals of the faith of balance in two wheeled locomotion.

Like some one changed the word fundamentalist to explain fundamental clinging christians, I choose the same to explain fundamental clinging atheists.
Is it a pejorative, I havnt decided, I just used it a a noun for some atheists, if you think their attitude is...

Here is where your error is because nobody changed the word fundamentalist. A group adopted it because it fit their approach to their religion.

a reply to: Raggedyman

I choose the same to explain fundamental clinging atheists.
Is it a pejorative, I havnt decided, I just used it a a noun for some atheists, if you think their attitude is...

Pointless, Nihilistic?

Nihilism
(/ˈnaɪ.ᵻlɪzəm/ or /ˈniː.ᵻlɪzəm/; from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.

The term is sometimes used in association with anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realising there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.

One aspect of nihilism which I've thought of is the view that once a person dies, everything he has done, dreamed, or hoped for has amounted to nothing. I'll make up a new term: Teleological Nihilism is the looking forward to one's end(death) and dragging it back into one's life. One's life then is infused with death rather than life. A morbid point of view, which blocks enjoyment pleasure and healthy fellowship in life. A zombification if you will.

Some atheists may have fallen into Teleological Nihilism. I don't think it would be particularly easy to determine who has or who hasn't based on one-liners.

Here's a one-liner, I only use it for the sentiment:

1If there is therefore any comfort in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions,

a reply to: BO XIAN


One can almost feel it in the air.

Revelation 3:10 - Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Has God abandoned us? This is the question asked by the author of this thread. My answer to you would have to be no, He hasn't.

I have been a member of ATS for many years and during this time, I have learned so much from so many people. Normally I do not post a lot because although I have spent the last 28+ years researching many things, I just can't put the words together as well as many of you can. Yes, I have a very expensive degree, but again... that doesn't really mean anything other than I was willing to study when I could have been out doing something more fun.

Back to the question at hand though. In order for me to think that God has not abandoned us all would require for me to believe in Him in the first place, and yes, I do. Not only that, I believe the Bible to be divinely inspired and have accepted Jesus into my heart and plan to spend my eternity thanking Him for all He has done for me.

Many times in the last few years hard times have come. Both of my parents have passed away from sudden cancer and they were my best friends. My husband of 25 years left me due to a pornography addiction that he couldn't control. I lost a good job, and lost my home. I lost all of my belongings when a leaky rook ruined all of my furniture and things in storage. I lost my beloved dog who was always there for me. I lost my younger brother who I was most proud of to a war that maybe doesn't even need to happen.

There are many more things that have happened during the last few years, but I guess my main message about all of it is to tell you OP that through all of this I know that God has not abandoned me, and I know that He has not abandoned you either, nor any of us here. Even if you do not believe in Him, He is quietly trying to speak to you if only we would listen with our hearts. He is not a big booming voice from the sky but rather a small quiet voice that can be heard if we truly want to know it.

Yes, there are many bad things going on in the world. Yes, it is sad to see young children suffering with horrible diseases. Yes, it is sad and frustrating that we cannot find a cure for cancer. But, it is my belief that God in His infinite wisdom knows the future and that everything He does has a purpose. We on the other hand can only see a little ways into the future, therefore it is so hard to understand the why of it. A little child may have cancer but have you ever heard them talk about how precious life is? Have you ever seen them smile in the midst of pain? Wow, what a testimony to the human spirit we have all been given. Would we have had the opportunity to see this any other way? I worked with an autistic boy recently as a one-on-one aide for his senior year of high school. This kid was the most popular kid in the whole HS! He had such a love for life (and for sneaking into the band room to play the drums, lol) If he can be so happy, how can be so angry at God because he was born autistic?

From what I have been learning from going through life is that troubles and trials make us stronger. It is this ability to be stronger that enables us to help others when they need help. In essence, it is my opinion that God does exist and that He can step in and perform a miracles for people, but that He tries to let things just naturally occur as they will so that we can be assured personal choice in life and because it is only when the book is finished do we know how the story ends.

Well, I have lost a few friends lately over my enduring belief in God so if you flame me on here it will not be the first time for me. I would encourage you my ATS friends to just take a few minutes of quiet time out of your schedule and go outside and observe the night sky, or go for a walk in the woods and observe the beauty of a tree! imho God has placed things all around us to remind us that we are not alone.

We abandoned the God of gods when we called the Jewish demiurge archon Ialdabaoth God.

originally posted by: pthena

Pointless, Nihilistic?

Nihilism
(/ˈnaɪ.ᵻlɪzəm/ or /ˈniː.ᵻlɪzəm/; from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical doctrine that suggests the lack of belief in one or more reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Moral nihilists assert that morality does not inherently exist, and that any established moral values are abstractly contrived. Nihilism can also take epistemological, ontological, or metaphysical forms, meaning respectively that, in some aspect, knowledge is not possible, or that reality does not actually exist.

The term is sometimes used in association with anomie to explain the general mood of despair at a perceived pointlessness of existence that one may develop upon realising there are no necessary norms, rules, or laws.

One aspect of nihilism which I've thought of is the view that once a person dies, everything he has done, dreamed, or hoped for has amounted to nothing. I'll make up a new term: Teleological Nihilism is the looking forward to one's end(death) and dragging it back into one's life. One's life then is infused with death rather than life. A morbid point of view, which blocks enjoyment pleasure and healthy fellowship in life. A zombification if you will.

Some atheists may have fallen into Teleological Nihilism. I don't think it would be particularly easy to determine who has or who hasn't based on one-liners.

Here's a one-liner, I only use it for the sentiment:

1If there is therefore any comfort in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassions,

Nihilism by its own definition is "the rejection of all religious and moral principles, often in the belief that life is meaningless. synonyms: negativity, cynicism, pessimism; More PHILOSOPHY the belief that nothing in the world has a real existence. historical the doctrine of an extreme Russian revolutionary party circa 1900 which found nothing to approve of in the established social order."


So its a rejection of all religious and moral principles, no right no wrong, yet...They are right all the time and those against them are always wrong, extremism
Life is meaningless, yet....so much meaning by some so called nihilists, so much we are right and you are wrong extremism

Why post this stuff below, what purpose


"God's mom called him to dinner, afterwards he has to brush his teeth and go to bed."

"No. The God of this world is not 'God'. And nothing here is what it seems. If you feel the need to bow down to any God, you're going backwards, not forwards."

"There are no gods and never have been. Or anything else. Start thinking" "

"God" is just a control mechanism to deprive you of your freedom of self."

"don't let any religion on this earth convince you they are god's chosen representatives or ambassadors. They aren't."


If there is no purpose, no plan, no greater agenda, no goal, why

Divisive anger, righteous moralism, religious ferver, what is it based on?
Just pure hate? Where is the hate from

Fundy atheists think they are fundamentally the only ones right, and those not like them are backwards.
The elitist fundies, a religion of atheist elites, superiors, beyond non fundies in intellect, unmatchable.

Normal christians and then fundamentalist christians
Normal atheists and then fundamentalist atheists

I am not selling you anything, you dont have to agree, you dont have to accept. Its how I view a few people on ats and their overtly atheistic religious fervor for atheism. Beyond a normal understanding.
Atheism is an idol to them, worshiped, evangelised, served, unquestionable.

I guess the purpose is to point to the fundie atheists extremities, highlight their extremist actions as they highlight others extremities.
Two extremes, no middle ground.

I have no hate for them, just want to point out they are no better than those they accuse, extremists.
But of course their agenda is right, righteous, worth the fight