Did God Abandon Us?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
The title of the thread asks - Did God abandon us?

And the OP gave context.

God is what is here always so God has not abandoned anything. God is the ever present happening - there is nothing other.

That is outside of the context of the OP.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
The title of the thread asks - Did God abandon us? God is what is here always so God has not abandoned anything. God is the ever present happening - there is nothing other.
It is the 'us' which should be questioned.
Is there really any thing separate from this; the ever present happening?

OMG what's happening? I agree with you again! Did I change dimensions? Is this what the Mandela effect people are talking about?

a reply to: daskakik

You're just disagreeing for the thrill of the argument, aren't you?
But can you explain why you and TzarChasm are arguing about something that doesn't mean anything to you?
Why does it bother you so much if others have faith?

originally posted by: Peeple
You're just disagreeing for the thrill of the argument, aren't you?

No.

But can you explain why you and TzarChasm are arguing about something that doesn't mean anything to you?

I can't speak for TzarChasm but I thought I posted information showing that it in fact does mean something to me.

Why does it bother you so much if others have faith?

Where have I said that it bothers me if others have faith?

a reply to: daskakik

You didn't spell it out but that's the feeling I get.
What information? Could you please be so kind and repeat that?

a reply to: Peeple

This is from today

Yes you can be spiritual and still be an atheist. When a christian and this kind of atheist butt heads the christian might feel the atheist is clinging to an extreme position of atheism but, at least in my case, they are just debating the veracity of the bible.

ETA: Three nights ago we talked about experiencing being one with everything and although I wouldn't call that proof of god it certainly shows that I give some credit to paranormal experiences.

a reply to: daskakik

I was agreeing with you and actually pointing out why MrBlaq's spiritual knowledge may be tainted by his own predisposition to a particular religion. Yes you can be spiritual and still be an atheist. When a christian and this kind of atheist butt heads the christian might feel the atheist is clinging to an extreme position of atheism but, at least in my case, they are just debating the veracity of the bible.

It's the Spirit of God that makes one spiritual, without the Spirit a person can
never be spiritual.

The Son of God told a religious man named Nicodemus who assumed
he was spiritual, that unless he is BORN AGAIN he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

This same theme is repeated numerous times in the scriptures that man is spiritually dead and considered the "natural man" vs a spiritual man. This natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know anything that is spiritually discerned. For he is dead in trespasses
and sins, and without a spiritual resurrection of a born again experience he can never be spiritual.

For proof simply distinguish the different behaviors between a spiritual man and that of the natural man. The scriptures make it plain that the spiritual man exhibits the fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, gentleness, meekness, longsuffering, patience, temperance etc.

The natural man who's not spiritual will always gravitate to behaviors of murder, idolatry, witchcraft, drunkenness, pornography, lies, heresies, strife, war and killing. He can try to stop these behaviors, but he does not have the spiritual life of Christ, so he'll always gravitate back to living a sinful life.

A MAN WHO IS SPIRITUAL DOES NOT MAKE A HABIT OF LIVING IN SIN.

Any experience outside of being born of God's Spirit is nothing more
than a myriad of psychic experiences and/or demonic spirits deceiving
the unlearned.

Prove you are spiritual, lets see if you can stop committing sin for at least 1 week.

Good luck.

a reply to: MrBlaq

It's called circular logic. The bible is true because the bible says its true.

When I use the term spiritual it isn't in the biblical sense.

a reply to: daskakik

Oh well it's a story full of misunderstandings. If you were German you'd be cracking right now...

As a lady I naturally have several issues with the patriarchal, focused on dominance story that is mainstream religion. And to an extend I even find it absurd, borderline hysterical that the ones which carried the spirituality through all the ages should be the dirty, evil ones with the mark of an inherited sin...

I still am kind of happy we made some progress, while I find a lot of the new ageism equally silly, I appreciate nobody gets tortured or burned anymore for asking questions like why would god or an angel or a ghost have a gender? What on earth for?

What's your flavour? Yoga? Buddhism? Hermetic stuff? Ghost hunter? Hinduism? Ancient telepathic aliens?

a reply to: Peeple

It's called circular logic. The bible is true because the bible says its true.

When I use the term spiritual it isn't in the biblical sense.

In that sense I suppose you can be anything you desire to be.
reminds me a lot like the Arts which propel Hollywood fiction.

a reply to: MrBlaq

I didn't say that.

originally posted by: MrBlaq
a reply to: daskakik

I was agreeing with you and actually pointing out why MrBlaq's spiritual knowledge may be tainted by his own predisposition to a particular religion. Yes you can be spiritual and still be an atheist. When a christian and this kind of atheist butt heads the christian might feel the atheist is clinging to an extreme position of atheism but, at least in my case, they are just debating the veracity of the bible.

It's the Spirit of God that makes one spiritual, without the Spirit a person can
never be spiritual.

The Son of God told a religious man named Nicodemus who assumed
he was spiritual, that unless he is BORN AGAIN he cannot see the Kingdom of God.

This same theme is repeated numerous times in the scriptures that man is spiritually dead and considered the "natural man" vs a spiritual man. This natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him, neither can he know anything that is spiritually discerned. For he is dead in trespasses
and sins, and without a spiritual resurrection of a born again experience he can never be spiritual.

For proof simply distinguish the different behaviors between a spiritual man and that of the natural man. The scriptures make it plain that the spiritual man exhibits the fruit of the Spirit, which is love, joy, peace, gentleness, meekness, longsuffering, patience, temperance etc.

The natural man who's not spiritual will always gravitate to behaviors of murder, idolatry, witchcraft, drunkenness, pornography, lies, heresies, strife, war and killing. He can try to stop these behaviors, but he does not have the spiritual life of Christ, so he'll always gravitate back to living a sinful life.

A MAN WHO IS SPIRITUAL DOES NOT MAKE A HABIT OF LIVING IN SIN.

Any experience outside of being born of God's Spirit is nothing more
than a myriad of psychic experiences and/or demonic spirits deceiving
the unlearned.

Prove you are spiritual, lets see if you can stop committing sin for at least 1 week.

Good luck.

This is what bothers me. People cherry pick the bible. Like i said before, there is some truely horrific stuff in the bible with god being ok with rape, torture, murder, slavery and human sacrifices.

You think thats ok? If its in the bible, why dont you say its ok too?

The reason why this is because the world back then; these things were the norm. So, of course the ones who wrote the bible expected God to see this as the norm.

originally posted by: Peeple
What's your flavour? Yoga? Buddhism? Hermetic stuff? Ghost hunter? Hinduism? Ancient telepathic aliens?

Secular.

Life is just life.

originally posted by: MrBlaq
In that sense I suppose you can be anything you desire to be.
reminds me a lot like the Arts which propel Hollywood fiction.

Not really getting your point.

I'm sure that at school they told us that God was always watching over us.
So what happened a couple of weeks ago one evening in Nice, France then ?
I mean, was it his evening off, or what ?

a reply to: daskakik

But you said you are spiritual, which is it? Secular or spiritual?

a reply to: Moley

How old are you 7? People die uh there can't be a god or it must be a dick....

originally posted by: Peeple
But you said you are spiritual, which is it? Secular or spiritual?

Secular spirituality. That's not a thing?

When I experience OBEs and it's just an extension of my life without attachment to any religion, what would that be?

a reply to: daskakik

A seizure? Narcissistic hallucinations? The inability to differentiate between imagination and reality?
You tell me, I tried this stuff, but it was nothing more real than d.m.t. just "natural" and less intense.

a reply to: Peeple

Like the feeling of being connected to everything?

Are you the same person who was going on about the force and jedi a couple days ago?

a reply to: TheChuckster


God doesn't abandon His people.......he just shoves their head up their ass or rubs their face in # for awhile. So sadly.....you would hope He would just leave off but HE wont.