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originally posted by: SpaceFauna
The brain has a section that is associated with gender identity, it is physical, it has been studied in those on and off hormones and almost always matches the identity they claim to have. This cannot be changed through therapy or medication.
This should also be used in deciding how to treat.
The articles state they have identified 29 brain regions that generally seem to be different sizes in self-identified males and females. Would you like this to be a diagnostic indicator of your gender? If you were trans would you like to hear something like we're sorry, you're not really transgender because 17 points of your brain scan indicate you're A and 12 say B so you really must be A even if you feel like B?
Since none of these differences have been identified as the center of gender in the brain anyway, what do they really say? Until they can definitively state the brains of trans people are different and is there is consensus in the scientific and medical fields, this research is going to be attacked as it has been here for being politically motivated or propaganda for some nebulous agenda. It's nice to use as an informational tool but unless a transgender person submits to the multitude of different scanning techniques, technologies and quantitative measurements prior to HRT, can't be used for self-justification. I'm not denying that brain structures or chemical factors aren't or can't be a part of all this but by the same token, a transgender person can't say I feel like I'm a man/woman because I have a male/female brain because that simply hasn't been proven to be a universal truth. Hinted at, yes. Incontrovertibly factually proven? Not so much.
I find it unfathomable that a child's parents would pressure them into undergoing this. IF it happens, preventing such a horrible case is not a good enough reason to bar 1000s of teens from receiving the necessary treatment to allow them to not be hindered in their pursuits in life
Nor is the notion that someone would make the wrong choice or get confused, I just can't see that as reason to stop others. 5 years is all it takes for a teen who hits puberty to become tall and have their skeletal structure to become heavily masculine. This person, who still wants to transition would be facing insurmountable odds when it comes to perceiving themselves as their gender identity, let alone other perceiving them as they know they are.
Some say pharma has an incentive to get people to take hormones and blockers, well the medical community also has major incentives not to because then they end up spending $1000s on surgery to not be depressed. I'm sorry if I stepped on someones toes, but the idea that this is a choice, the medical community pressures people into it, or that the mistakes of others is enough to prevent people who do until they are 18 is dangerous.
This has almost certainly been a thing as long as we as a species have been a thing, if not longer. This isn't a product of our society. Besides if any of you took the hormones used, if you didn't have GD before you more than likely would after a few months.
However, when it comes to GD I believe hormone blockers is the way to go until they are 14-16, I would rely on psychologist, therapist, and other professionals to make a call earlier based on knowledge, intelligence, emotional discomfort, and maturity of the patient for earlier calls maybe even as young as 12, I knew but kept suppressing it. In defense of sex hormones, most changes are reversible and the major permanent changes take a year or more to become irreversible such as breast growth, or facial hair, so someone on them would still have time to back out before major issues arose. Based on my experience with it, the mental/emotional change was almost immediate and a lot of trans people I know experienced the same thing.
I also believe that parents would need to supportive to begin with the allow the child to take this path, but who knows when it comes to the special kind of horrible people.
originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: DeathSlayer
i totally agree stuff like that should not be taught to small children hell its bad enough people trying to force new frake core math on them. let kids be kids if a little girl wants to climb trees let them be tom boys the girl o love was one she played football for her school until 7th grade on the boys footvall team. now she is a talented bb ball player and a hardworker and a mom with a smoken hot body. if they did the transgender crap whebn she was younger she mioght have been talked into trying to become something she was not and been miserable.
i know several transgender people personally and they all are extremely miserable because they don't believe they fit in anywhere