Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy is arrested, says source

a reply to: Phage

Yes. I know. I said I know.
A "call to action."
Just like when the Bundites first invaded an unoccupied wildlife reserve.
Just like when the Bundites were arrested.

I didn't, you brought it up first I was responding to your post.

a reply to: Informer1958
You said politicians, BLM are not politicians. Why do you keep moving the goalposts?

I know, however there is no prosecutor willing to challenge the BLM as of yet.

www.krtv.com...
www.law360.com...
www.deseretnews.com...

I didn't, you brought it up first I was responding to your post

No. I was talking about the Bundites invasion of the wildlife reserve.

a reply to: Phage

Senior BLM official convicted in Montana for fraud and theft

Thank you for that information, I wasn't aware of that.

a reply to: Informer1958

Thank you for that information, I wasn't aware of that.

There is a lot that you don't seem to be aware of. That doesn't seem to deter you from making claims about it though.

a reply to: Phage

There is a lot that you don't seem to be aware of. That doesn't seem to deter you from making claims about it though.

Perhaps so, however I do support people who do stand up to government Tyranny.

a reply to: Informer1958

Perhaps so, however I do support people who do stand up to government Tyranny.

Like this guy?
mcclaran.com...

a reply to: Phage

mcclaran.com...

No. Isn't that photo the Oklahoma bomber?

a reply to: Informer1958
Timothy McVeigh.
He was standing up to government "tyranny."
He sure showed them a thing or two.

a reply to: Phage

Timothy McVeigh.
He was standing up to government "tyranny."
He sure showed them a thing or two.

I have always thought McVeigh was just a pasty. Plenty of evidence supported it. But I will save that discussion for another thread.

a reply to: Informer1958

So. Moving the goalposts again.

a reply to: Phage

So. Moving the goalposts again.

How's that?

a reply to: Informer1958

However, in the Bundy's case they were able to stop the overreach of the BLM.

And left the tax payer on the hook for what they owed...
Crazy how people are willing to defend that freeloader and welfare queen.

So they screwed over the average joe but hey, they stuck it to the gubment!

originally posted by: Sremmos80

And left the tax payer on the hook for what they owed...
Crazy how people are willing to defend that freeloader and welfare queen.

So they screwed over the average joe but hey, they stuck it to the gubment!

How come no more court actions against the Bundy Ranch?

a reply to: Sremmos80

And left the tax payer on the hook for what they owed...
Crazy how people are willing to defend that freeloader and welfare queen.

Are you talking about the outrages grassing fees that the BLM forced on all the rancher in order to force them out of their ranches so Harry Reed family could buy up all the land parcels to sell to China?

a reply to: Informer1958

So if I don't agree with the price of something that I am leasing I should just continue using it even tho I am not paying for it?
Pretty sure there is a word for that.
Still doesn't address that they are only benefiting themselves and screwing over anyone else paying those taxes. Gov does the same thing private companies do, pass their losses on to the consumer. But that is only wrong with the gov does it because it involves raising taxes.

When did those 'outrageous' fees start btw?
Was it before or after they agreed to pay them to lease the land.

Also for the sake of argument lets take all the tin foil hat speculation and set it aside and talk about things that actually happened not what if this and what if that.

a reply to: Informer1958

Are you talking about the outrages grassing fees

Define outrageous. What exactly are those fees?
How much have they changed over time?

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Sremmos80

And left the tax payer on the hook for what they owed...
Crazy how people are willing to defend that freeloader and welfare queen.

So they screwed over the average joe but hey, they stuck it to the gubment!

How come no more court actions against the Bundy Ranch?

Idk X, probably because the BLM just decided to get the money else where, so yeah for bundy!
The welfare queen got away with being a freeloader, all while the people that say we need to get rid of that kind of thing pointed guns at federal agents to defend it. It was quite funny actually.

a reply to: Informer1958

arent you the same guy that thinks 911 was an inside job? maybe stay on topic?

he ran from the police and reached for a gun, it doesn't matter what his philosophies are, he deserved to die at that very point.

sorry this is about the group that destroyed federal property then occupied federal property with guns. that's the right topic.

a reply to: Sremmos80

So if I don't agree with the price of something that I am leasing I should just continue using it even tho I am not paying for it?

But the fact is the Bundy's were not leasing, they own their land.

Q. How much money does Bundy owe the government?

A. Depends who you ask. He’ll tell you that he has refused to pay the BLM grazing fees since 1993, bringing his tab to about $300,000. But the government says he owes $1 million and will have to pay for the some of the round-up costs.

Q. How many ranchers are there in Nevada?

A. The BLM controls three grazing areas in Southern Nevada and about 800 statewide. Nationwide, the BLM doles out 18,000 grazing permits and leases 157 million acres to ranchers.

lasvegassun.com...

Apparently, it looks like it's all above making money for the BLM as well.

a reply to: Informer1958

But the fact is the Bundy's were not leasing, they own their land.

Some, yes. About 160 acres, which is not a whole lot of land for a cattle ranch. He needs a lot more than that to graze his cattle. The fact is they were not being charged for the land they own, other than perhaps state property taxes. The fact is that he is leasing federal land and not paying for it. He is a freeloader.