Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy is arrested, says source

a reply to: hellobruce

So a few more nutters will turn up in Oregon, so what?

Sounds like your disappointed?

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: Phage

Yep, I am in for peacefully protest, without guns.

But any one turning up there will have guns...

The more people show up the more power these groups have, wouldn't you agree?

So when virtually no one shows up that means these people have no power!

But do not worry, the Navy seals will be parachuting in soon!

a reply to: Phage

www.abovetopsecret.com...

A new thread just started about it.

a reply to: Informer1958

Yes I know people are being asked to come. Just like when the Bundites first started their "occupation". What happened to their call to "patriots?"

I asked how you know that they are.

a reply to: hellobruce

But any one turning up there will have guns...

Who told you that?

So when virtually no one shows up that means these people have no power!

Correct.

a reply to: Phage

I asked how you know that they are.

Ok, correction:

There has been a call for Action.

a reply to: Informer1958

Yes. Just like when the Bundites first invaded an unoccupied wildlife reserve.
Just like when the Bundites were arrested.

a reply to: Phage

IN RESPONSE TO THESE EVENTS, PACIFIC PATRIOTS NETWORK

IS ISSUING A

CALL TO ACTION

Update: January 29, 2016

In light of the events that have taken place in Harney County, Oregon over the last two days, the official Pacific Patriots Network statement is as follows:

PPN condemns the violent action taken by the Harney County Sheriff's Department along with the FBI in the shooting death of Mr. Lavoy Finicum.

PPN condemns the violent action taken by the Harney County Sheriff's Department along with the FBI in the execution of arrests associated with the people at the Malhuer National Wildlife Refuge occupation.

PPN condemns the DISHONEST tactics used to arrest Jason Patrick on January 28th. Mr. Patrick's safety, well being and emotional state were compromised when the FBI lied not only to Mr. Patrick but to PPN representatives trying to assist with the PEACEFUL removal of people at the MNWR. The FBI stated to Mr. Patrick and the PPN that he was “free to go.” Mr. Patrick walked 7 miles in sub freezing temperatures only to be arrested at the checkpoint north of the Narrows.

PPN condemns the false statements given to the public by the FBI, Harney County Sheriff's Department and the Harney County officials.

pacificpatriotsnetwork.com...

a reply to: Informer1958
Yes. I know. I said I know.
A "call to action."
Just like when the Bundites first invaded an unoccupied wildlife reserve.
Just like when the Bundites were arrested.

a reply to: Phage

Yes. Just like when the Bundites first invaded an unoccupied wildlife reserve.
Just like when the Bundites were arrested.

True their cattle did.

However, in the Bundy's case they were able to stop the overreach of the BLM.

a reply to: Informer1958
Can somebody explain;
What effective action CAN they do which would not be cause for arrest?
If they're just going to stand around looking peaceful with guns, how is that going to change the minds of the authorities?

a reply to: DISRAELI

Who is telling you they will have guns?

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: Phage

True their cattle did.

Cattle? What?

However, in the Bundy's case they were able to stop the overreach of the BLM.

Are you saying that there is going to be another armed confrontation like there was at the Bundy Ranch? I thought you said that all those groups that are on their way to Oregon are unarmed.

a reply to: Informer1958
I thought I saw it mentioned in one of the press releases, my mistake if it wasn't there.
But if they don't have guns, my question is all the more pertinent.
How exactly is just standing there looking peaceful going to have any effect?

It's unfortunate, While I agree with some of the underpinnings of the original cause, I don't agree with the way Finicum, Bundy and others went about it. They diluted the original cause and morphed it into a 'big bad government boogey-man' rebellion. And the main actors in the play were less than credible.

If there are others who are now joining the fight, sadly, they are fighting for the wrong cause.

In my heart I believe it was wrong for Finicum to die and people should be held accountable, but Finicum's actions started out as a provocation...and ended as a provocation. He predisposed his own outcome. Had it not been Finicum threatening authorities and begging them to shoot him he might have lived to fight another day. Sometimes, restraint is the better part of valor.

As for Finicum being a martyr, had he cooperated rather than provoking authorities at every step along the way he would have much broader support. As a person, I don't think much of Finicum and his lifestyle, and as a result I have a very hard time identifying with anything he did. But as an activist, regardless of what I think of him personally, he failed (badly) in my eyes. He missed a golden opportunity to expose true injustice, and for that I blame him. I blame him because he's made it that much more difficult for anyone to fight these injustices going forward without being branded extremists and being marginalized as kooks the same way. So he's not a martyr in my eyes, at least not for me, and not for the injustices I believe need to be righted. The loss of any life is tragic under those circumstances, but beyond that I have little more emotion about it.

Like it or not, but that's how I feel about the whole matter.

a reply to: Phage

Just like when the Bundites first invaded an unoccupied wildlife reserve.
Just like when the Bundites were arrested.

I know, right. Should we all just ignore the BLM working for corrupt politions like Harry Reed who want all that land so him and is cronies can sell it to china to build energy plants.

Should we all ignore our corrupt politicians who are dead set in making monies from their illegal ill gains. If not what should Americans do, since Redress doesn't work?

a reply to: Informer1958

Should we all just ignore the BLM working for corrupt politions like Harry Reed who want all that land so him and is cronies can sell it to china to build energy plants.

Are you still beating your wife?
In case you missed it, that is another example of a loaded question.

Should we all ignore our corrupt politicians who are dead set in making monies from their illegal ill gains.

No.
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Phage

Are you saying that there is going to be another armed confrontation like there was at the Bundy Ranch? I thought you said that all those groups that are on their way to Oregon are unarmed.

They are asking for a peaceful protest, they did not ask people to show up with guns.

a reply to: Informer1958
Then why did you bring up the Bundy Ranch armed standoff? It seemed that you think that it accomplished something.

However, in the Bundy's case they were able to stop the overreach of the BLM.

a reply to: Phage

en.wikipedia.org...

I know, however there is no prosecutor willing to challenge the BLM as of yet.