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Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy is arrested, says source

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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: onequestion

Protest can be the answer, but when you wait 20 years and only do it because they finally acted then, for me anyway, it takes away from your cause. The guy wasn't mad about anything, he was just mad they finally came to collect and then it was this big issue.
And intimidation is not always protest, protesters are the people willing to go to jail for their cause.

How about he stopped using the land back when he felt he was being strong armed and not rack up this huge tab before it became this huge deal?
Why do you not care that this guy screwed over the tax payer just to stick it to the gov all the while he got to keep his money,and property,for something other people paid for??
Why do you not care that he willingly just didn't pay for a public service that he used for 20 years?

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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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The BLM had canceled Bundy's permit for the Bunker­ville allotment in 1994. But he continued to let his cattle graze on the vast, sage-dotted landscape -- without paying the $2-per-head-per-month fee and in violation of a federal court order that he remove his herd to preserve the habitat for the federally protected desert tortoise.


How about doing your own research

It started out at $2.00 a head.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:09 PM
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you know, saying that because the protesters at Oregon are against BLM, it doesn't justify their occupation of federal property. correct me if im wrong but that's what your points seem to be.

you don't fix a wrong with another wrong. it makes no sense to do wrong because another group is also doing wrong.

wrong, wrong, wrong. occupying federal property is illegal.

if you're going to say, that land belongs to them because they've lived there for a long time, and discard federal laws, there's a group of native americans that might be interested in claiming that land as well.
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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:11 PM
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How about doing your own research

It started out at $2.00 a head.
Good advice.


In 1981 it was $2.31.
In 1993 it was $1.86. That's when Bundy stopped paying.
In 2012 it was $1.35.

www.fas.org...


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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:12 PM
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How about doing your own research

That isn't how it works, it is not on me to prove your point.
What is the source of that anyway? You just posted the text from it.

Cool so he agreed at 2.00's and after one year decided he didn't want pay it.
Where are the outrageous fees you are talking about?
Sounds like he agreed to 2.00 and then decided that was to expensive after one year?? Then why did he agree to it in the first place.

Oh and about that land being sold to China?? Or do you just want to ignore that one.
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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:15 PM
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So, you think the government really wants Bundy's 160 little acres that bad? Why don't they want this land?
www.landandfarm.com...



I don't know why, but I believe old corrupt Harry Reed can answer that question for you.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:17 PM
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Yes, I was sure they had someone recording it.

Will we ever see it? That I don't know!



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:18 PM
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That isn't how it works, it is not on me to prove your point.


I disagree.

You are disagreeing with me, so why don't you have the answers to show you disagree?

Do you not have a Google search engine on your computer?



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:23 PM
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What is the money used for?

Just curious.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:24 PM
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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:32 PM
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You can't disagree all you want.
yourlogicalfallacyis.com...

I do have google, but I am not the one saying that the fees were outrageous and that is the reason he didn't pay them or that he owned the land in question or it was all a plot by Dirty Harry to sell the land to China.
I am just saying he didn't pay them, I'll be happy to source that if you want.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:33 PM
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Oh and about that land being sold to China?? Or do you just want to ignore that one.



Is Democratic Senator Harry Reid of Nevada behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch?


Whether Senator Harry Reid initiated the BLM seizure of Cliven Bundy’s ranch or not, can be up for debate. But since the head of the Bureau of Land Management is Reid’s former senior adviser, there is no doubt that Harry Reid could pick up a phone and put an end to this whole standoff. So much for Harry Reid stepping up to help Nevadans.

Now there is a theory being bandied about that Senator Reid is actually instigating the expulsion of Mr. Bundy and his cattle because Chinese interests want to build a giant solar power facility on the land where Bundy’s cattle now graze. These Chinese interests are also suspected of funneling campaign contributions illegally to Harry Reid’s election campaigns. This wouldn’t be the first time Senator Reid has been associated with illegal campaign contributions. See examples: Jack Abramoff, Harvey Whittemore, and illegally giving campaign money to his granddaughter. Recently an FBI investigation into Senator Reid was suddenly called off by Attorney General Eric Holder’s Justice Department.


prepperchimp.com...

Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch

Source: Kit Daniels


The Bureau of Land Management, whose Director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations.

Deleted from BLM.gov but reposted for posterity by the Free Republic, the BLM document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts” directly states that Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities” on “public lands.”

“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” the document states.

Another BLM report entitled Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (BLM Technical Note 444) reveals that Bundy’s land in question is within the “Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area” which is part of a broad U.S. Department of Energy program for “Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States” on land “managed” by BLM.

“In 2012, the BLM and the U.S. Department of Energy published the Final Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (PEIS) for Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States,” the report reads. “The Final Solar Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement assessed the impact of utility-scale solar energy development on public lands in the six southwestern states of Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah.”

“The Approved Resource Management Plan Amendments/Record of Decision (ROD) for Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States implemented a comprehensive solar energy program for public lands in those states and incorporated land use allocations and programmatic and SEZ-specific design features into land use plans in the six-state study area.”

In 2012, the New American reported that Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid, was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.


nworeport.me...

I believe this should help answer some of your questions.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:38 PM
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I believe this should help answer some of your questions.


2013:

Under the terms of the option/purchase agreement with the county, ENN needed to obtain sufficient PPAs in order to exercise the option to purchase Phase 1 of their project’s land in Laughlin, about 90 miles south of Las Vegas. The PPAs had to be secured by this month, according to the agreement approved by the County Commission in December 2011, and automatically terminated Thursday.”

www.mohavedailynews.com...

So, no. No sale of federal land to China. Though it seems that it was county land that was on the table, not federal.

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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:40 PM
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Whoa...whoa!!

Just to keep you guys honest here, an AUM is "Animal Unit (per) Month". However, an AU or "animal unit" does not necessarily, and often doesn't, equal "=" 1. Most times an AU is less than one. In fact, in most herds roughtly 50% or better of the animals are less than 1 AU.

Then there is the amount of available forage. An AUM is not a measure of animals, but rather a measure of the amount of land required for one (1) adult animal to graze for one (1) month. So an AUM varies by the amount of available forage on the land being leased. In the case of Bundy an AUM is probably about 8-10 acres (or maybe much more depending on the terrain).

So, don't get yourselve's into thinking that an AUM is the cost per head, or a direct correlation between head-count and acreage.

Federal land is CHEAP for grazing, compared to private land (like the types we lease, beyond what we own).

Just sayin.





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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:41 PM
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Yeah I know all of that, I feel for it when it first came out.

What I asked though was what other land had been sold off, surely there would be some other evidence of it if it was the grand plan right?



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:44 PM
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There's so much misinformation and nonsense on these threads, someone has to try to inject balance and objectivity.




posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:47 PM
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posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:47 PM
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IIRC, he had a substantial head count though right? So that 160 is only going to go so far.
Or am I misreading what you are saying.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:54 PM
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First, I am in no way sticking up for Bundy, I am merely trying to accurize some of the thread direction related to federal grazing lands and costs associated with the same.

Long time ranchers who lease federal land sometimes understate herd sizes and AU. I am just trying to illustrate how the measurement system is set up.

To answer your direct question; (again, not defending him) if you take the relatively low yield rate for forage in Nevada (which would drive up acreage for 1 AUM), and couple it with AU numbers of less than 1, you could quickly calculate a relatively high acreage for a modest sized herd.



posted on Jan, 30 2016 @ 07:55 PM
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These various "militias" and "safety committees" do not speak for the People of the United States. In fact, many if not most of "us" think that these groups are extremist, fringe nut-jobs. Funny thing about "the People" ... that includes ALL OF US, even those socialist, liberal, progressives that drive you all to utter apoplexy. See that's the thing that staunch right-wingers, Tea Partiers, Sovereign Citizens, extremist Republicans and the rest of that lot don't get ... the majority of America DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOU.

You don't own patriotism. You are not walking in the footsteps of the Founders and the Revolutionaries.

Most of us don't buy into the nonsense that the entire Federal government is corrupt. Some of you speak a shorthand code with each other (more reminiscent of cult-like behavior than anything else) so that you don't have to deal with actual facts ... you can just broadly gesture toward "the FBI" or "the BLM" or "the Feds" and make these absolutely baseless sweeping statements that are not only inaccurate in general but blatant lies in others. (And in some cases, there are problems with government agencies ... but there are just as many with State and local governments, if not more ... and you certainly can't look to these faux militias for much other than but freeloaders and outlaws.)

I mean, would you really want to live under the regime of a Bundy?

Guess what, the BLM, FBI and other alphabet agencies that you guys hate ... ARE ALSO MADE UP OF AMERICAN CITIZENS.

Now, I could prove these statements with polls and even the tiniest bit of actual logic ... but that's a pointless exercise as has been proven over and over again. So ... don't bother with the inane "Source?" posts. Take this as my opinion, that I'm expressing under my natural rights, my First Amendment rights and my membership in good standing at ATS. Just like you do.
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