Oregon protest leader Ammon Bundy is arrested, says source

a reply to: vjr1113

arent you the same guy that thinks 911 was an inside job? maybe stay on topic?

Why do you care so much to what I believe?

As of staying on topic, you just went off of the thread topic by attacking my beliefs, how ironic.

I don't care what your beliefs are, not everyone on here supports your beliefs.

a reply to: Informer1958

i was hoping you'd ask. because evidence doesn't matter to you, you will never change your mind so arguing with you is pointless.

also if you think logical evidence doesnt matter in the case of 911, it wont matter in this discussion.

a reply to: vjr1113

i was hoping you'd ask. because evidence doesn't matter to you, you will never change your mind so arguing with you is pointless.

also if you think logical evidence doesnt matter in the case of 911, it wont matter in this discussion.

Why does my beliefs matter to you so much?

a reply to: Informer1958

Why does my beliefs matter to you so much?

Well, you do tend to get them confused with facts.

But the fact is the Bundy's were not leasing, they own their land.

I know, however there is no prosecutor willing to challenge the BLM as of yet.

a reply to: Informer1958

It's not a belief and there is a strong community of support for you around that issue.

Bringing it up in this thread is an ad hom.

a reply to: Phage

Well, you do tend to get them confused with facts.

ATS is a place that all "opinions" are welcome, or has everyone forgot that.

a reply to: Informer1958

ATS is a place that all "opinions" are welcome, or has everyone forgot that.

Of course.
But is also a place where a distinction is made between opinion and fact. Don't expect to not be called out on the difference. I am, on an ongoing basis.

More than a slogan, our members have embraced the motto as our collective cultural standard, demanding all to aspire to a higher standard. These simple two words have galvanized a broad membership that spans the spectrum from highly speculative conspiracy writers to staunch doubters.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Informer1958

But the fact is the Bundy's were not leasing, they own their land.

Well as Phage already said, they owned SOME, but they did not own the public land they continued to use.
That my friend was paid for by the tax payers so he could use the land.


Of course he says it is less, but that isn't his choice to make. If I use a product, I don't get to argue how much I should pay for it after the fact.
Nor should I be allowed to use it for 20 years and then do that.

a reply to: Phage

Of course.
But when you confuse opinion for fact don't expect to not be called out.

So asking questions that doesn't support one's beliefs system is not allowed?

I like to question things that people may not be aware of, it doesn't mean I don't support the facts, I am aware of the facts in most cases. Remember I said most cases.

For instance many people on ATS are complaining the video in question has some problems in it. Not everyone takes the government word or presentations as gospel truth anymore since the government has a bad history of lying.

a reply to: Informer1958

So asking questions that doesn't support one's beliefs system is not allowed?

Who said that? Questions are great. That's why I tend to ask a lot of them.
en.wikipedia.org...

But your statements of your opinions as facts are not questions.
It is not a fact that the Bundys do not lease Federal land.
It is not a fact that abuses by BLM officials have not been prosecuted.

Want more examples?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Again it is my understanding that BLM was continuing to raise the grazing fees to make it unaffordable for all the ranchers by forcing them out of business.

The fact is Bundy's were the last remaining ranchers left, all the others were force to sell and leave. This is what the corrupt politicians in Washington wanted, so they can sell off bigger parcels to China.

But no body wants to talk about that, oh no, they want to concentrate how Bundy's broke a law and calling in the militia and this makes Bundy a bad man.

No one is concern to the ugly fact that there is corrupt politic behind all of this.

a reply to: Informer1958

The fact is Bundy's were the last remaining ranchers left, all the others were force to sell and leave.

Please provide evidence to support this fact.

a reply to: Informer1958

That try the want to drill and mine the land to line their pockets and get bigger bonuses.

a reply to: Phage

Who said that? Questions are great. That's why I tend to ask a lot of them.
en.wikipedia.org...

But your statements of your opinions as facts are not questions.
It is not a fact that the Bundys do not lease Federal land.
It is not a fact that abuses by BLM officials have not been prosecuted.

Want more examples?

I do not disagree with you, however sometimes we get things wrong and ATS is a good place to examine an event and tear it apart.

What I do see on ATS sometimes, that some of the forums on ATS become a game of egotism, of who is right, and who is wrong.

Also defending one's believes system, and yes I am guilty of that to. However if you have been paying attention to many of my post on different topics, I do change my mind and admit I am wrong which most posters never do.

a reply to: Gryphon66

You must be a lovely person in real life. You spew everything like a mirror to anyone who dares disagree with your vile ideologies and socialist mediocrity.

a reply to: Phage

Please provide evidence to support this fact.

From The Editor’s Desk: Moapa Valley Progress

Cliven Bundy is, pretty much, the last of a dying breed of ranchers left standing in southern Nevada. All the others are long gone. Back in the early 1990s, when the desert tortoise became an issue, all the other ranchers were offered good cash money if they’d fold up their ranching operations and go home. They took it. But Bundy, who received the same offer, refused to sell.

bundyranch.blogspot.com...

a reply to: Informer1958

Again it is my understanding that BLM was continuing to raise the grazing fees to make it unaffordable for all the ranchers by forcing them out of business.

Do you know the actual numbers? Like what did it start at and so on. It is my understanding that if you don't agree with the price of something you stop using it until you can work that out. Because one you use something, you now owe someone money.

This is what the corrupt politicians in Washington wanted, so they can sell off bigger parcels to China.

So was there land actual sold to China from the other ranchers then?

But no body wants to talk about that, oh no, they want to concentrate how Bundy's broke a law and calling in the militia and this makes Bundy a bad man.

Because that is exactly what he did... He broke a law and refused to pay for what he used. I am all for a discussion about the BLM strong arming people, but the way this went about is not how you do it. You don't get to freeload for 20 years and then scream prosecution.

a reply to: Informer1958

Bundyranch.blogspot.com?

Come on dude, how about a source with no horse in the race.

You must agree OJ didn't do it too, I mean he will tell you right to your face he didn't.

a reply to: Sremmos80

How do you do it then?

a reply to: Informer1958
Oh, southern Nevada. You weren't that specific.

The fact is Bundy's were the last remaining ranchers left, all the others were force to sell and leave. This is what the corrupt politicians in Washington wanted, so they can sell off bigger parcels to China.

So, you think the government really wants Bundy's 160 little acres that bad? Why don't they want this land?
www.landandfarm.com...