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How exactly was Jesus' crucifixion a sacrifice?

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posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: beenharmed

How have you been so harmed?




posted on Dec, 20 2015 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: beenharmed

How have you been so harmed?



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: vethumanbeing I have already advised what happened to my life, an attack involving phenomena after I had related my own spiritual psyche awareness...and how I had heard scientific data being expressed on the psychic communication channels....knowing that science was studying the human spiritual self via a secret experiment involving computerized relayed satellite attacks and then feedback study data of human cellular...brain chemistry interactions.

This involves the illegal study of Nature by occult scientists and the NWO agenda to find data to propose information for plasma creation. They believed that if they knew how a cell was created in Nature, that they could formulate an artificial DNA signal for an artificial plasma creation and renewal cell. The latest NWO attack on humanity as their resources are diminishing.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Where is your biblical evidence to support your own inane ramblings and interpreted insinuations?

Tibetan Monks provided the evidence to scientists, and the information as usual was ridiculed, due to the science that was being reviewed and experimented with, regarding Edward Ledskhalnin's data.



posted on Dec, 21 2015 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: stormbringer1701

You talk about God as if God is a human being, where does the biblical documents refer to God as being a human?

Are you implying that a human being created Satan.....and if so, then obviously you must believe it to be true.

You take comments from out of your own psyche reviewing and thinking about information, and spiritual psyche information belongs to all of humanity....past life holographic records and the information regarding thinking itself.

Who created the concept for God as a discussion....did an animal or a tree tell you this story...or was this story concocted from a human psyche?



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: beenharmed
a reply to: vethumanbeing I have already advised what happened to my life, an attack involving phenomena after I had related my own spiritual psyche awareness...and how I had heard scientific data being expressed on the psychic communication channels....knowing that science was studying the human spiritual self via a secret experiment involving computerized relayed satellite attacks and then feedback study data of human cellular...brain chemistry interactions.

This involves the illegal study of Nature by occult scientists and the NWO agenda to find data to propose information for plasma creation. They believed that if they knew how a cell was created in Nature, that they could formulate an artificial DNA signal for an artificial plasma creation and renewal cell. The latest NWO attack on humanity as their resources are diminishing.

So you as a newbie have been attacked? What else is new; gain thicker skin is all and toss all else back to universal consequence (becomes Its problem now).



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 12:06 AM
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Why was paganism usurped by Christianity in the first place? Purpose? Monotheist God form? for what reason?
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posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 01:03 AM
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a reply to: vethumanbeinghuman beings are the problem for the Universe, seeing they changed and converted the Universe before....our own spiritual consciousness, history, memory and records advise us, which is how we developed the information that we have.

Modern human occultists/scientists have been trying to convert the Universe again....they took all the data that they reviewed of energy in space, to try to make energy convert into a lower body from a higher body....as factoring involves what can be factored....future energy cannot be factored for it does not exist yet....for the Universe is still cooling.

Cooling is the condition that scientists know formed energy...and they know that the Universe still holds heated bodies cooling...where else does energy come from.

The Scientist then proposed that he could have a lower cooled energy....and this means that he would have to remove a higher cooled body. The only way for this form of science to happen is to heat up the higher body....and then we lose evolution of the cold.....ice melt on Earth supports this review.

Scientists therefore reheated the Universe by changing the natural condition of nuclear fuel in the star systems....a cold body.

They emulated nuclear fuel's creation via holographic spiritual psyche imagery that was given to their mind through star radiation/light and sound transmissions, how a human being knows about nuclear without belonging to nuclear personally.

They then burnt nuclear fuel, which then transmitted the information via radiation transmitted sound into the Universe...so they began to change the Universe once again, just like they did to origin Universal creation.

They therefore own this review of their psyche to gain a lower fuel from a higher cold fuel....a condition they gave their mind as an artificial review of science. This is why there is no new knowledge...for knowledge is given via the condition of receiving knowledge....it has to have already happened.

Therefore if you try to copy the information, you get destroyed, for you are only considering information that has already happened, which itself is an act of destruction.

Just review the theories, which supports this evidence, they evaulate all current day energy information, which only is current due to evolution and then propose to remove it back to "nothing", which implies a total removal of evolution itself....cooling.

Meteor attacks prove this condition also....for meteors are frozen stone bodies in star systems where the Universal attack happened...and planets exploded. Heating radiation releases the freeze and meteors then traject to Earth.

Is it any wonder that when the 0AD review was done regarding the birth/death of Christ as a calculation...it follows the history of PHI calcuated ancient Testimonials of the Philosophers/Prophets as prophecy, and they knew that the Christ spirit oxygen/water spirit was going to be murdered on the cross - WOOD, being a part of their technology in converting stone matter involving the ALPHA man wavelengths in stone transmisSION.

As the calculations factor to the Year 2012, the total factoring review was considered by an observer as future predictive reasoning....which did happen.

Human life lost their cellular condition by being attacked by radiation (witnessed as the star event around 0AD), and gained a changed blood/plasma condition called Christ stigmata.

Having survived an irradiation, I know that the human brain/mind gets "pricked" with intense pain.....along with ground radiation release attacks like having knives cutting, without bleeding. Therefore I studied the ancient Philosophical data about Christ, and then understood why the Hebrews knew about symbolic radiation signals as "knives/swords" etc., relating to the Christ sacrifice.....an increase in radiation signals.



posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 06:54 AM
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a reply to: beenharmed

...maybe you should go have a lie down. All that radiation is making you whackaloo.
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posted on Dec, 22 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: TzarChasmMaybe you should not support science, so that your own personal future will not be attacked like my life was.

How many human beings thought about the humans who self combusted.....were you glad that you were not the victim.

This is the normal human thinking, until it happens to your own person.

The UFO formation and different types of fall out bodies demonstrates how the UFO body becomes dangerous, for when it begins to form metal in the upper atmosphere, the conditions themselves demonstrate that the atmospheric Earth protective field is no longer protected.

The ancient review of the holiness of the Earth heavenly atmosphere is angelic.....by review the angel as a PHI or PHIlosophy, is a human spiritual psyche evaluated mind condition.....for this condition is how science was first factored by a human being and their spiritual thinking usage.

When you do a review of the data, as I have as a spiritual Healer, with psychic awareness that proved to my own person correct data was received, then I observed that the ANGEL - ANGLE was a secret reviewed philosophy, as science, invention and ownership just as today's scientific community demonstrate is always secreted, so that other philosophers would not understand the reasoning or meaning.

The ancient human male was no different in his personal ownership and status of owning powers, to the modern day occultist scientist.

O PHI was how they factored the ANGEL as a light sound body, by calculating numerical factors to the LETTER, the ANGLE.

Hence the WORD OF GOD was their ancient occultist reviews....and the WORD factored the cause and effect of science....for the ancient science was already written as a document called the BOOK OF THE DEAD. For the Egyptians re-invented and rewrote the ancient channeled psychic spiritual information about transformation of stone and its nuclear.

The WORD OF GOD therefore implies value to the LETTER.

AN
GEL....a product of understanding that sound in the upper atmosphere formed a gel like action....cloud formations. This is why the human spiritual psyche pictures images of angels forming in clouds......which is real, for real images of angelic looking beings have been photographed in cloud formations.

Therefore this natural action is how the atmosphere is protected. The story of our spiritual Heaven is therefore real....yet the MAN in the information is not a human being, it is a secret term for the ALPHA condition in light wavelengths.

Consciousness and spirit as a presence depicted the ancient science in different information status....which evolved into a new form of scientific language, to keep the language secreted from the public, so that the public could not identify what evil occultist acts were being performed...and we relied on the occultist to be honest and truthful....which they never have been.

As the UFO mothership imagery has now formed in the clouds instead of the once angelic presence and also anima presence of Satanic spirit imagery.....we should be warned, that the cloud condition has been corrupted as the upper atmospheric reactions also demonstrate.

Changing the natural light sound values in our Heaven is why ancient human life was incinerated...by the creation of metallic UFO bodies.



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: beenharmed

Well, if this is all that's left of the discussion, I guess I'll withdraw. I've said plenty anyway. Have fun.



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: beenharmed
a reply to: stormbringer1701

You talk about God as if God is a human being, where does the biblical documents refer to God as being a human?

Are you implying that a human being created Satan.....and if so, then obviously you must believe it to be true.

You take comments from out of your own psyche reviewing and thinking about information, and spiritual psyche information belongs to all of humanity....past life holographic records and the information regarding thinking itself.

Who created the concept for God as a discussion....did an animal or a tree tell you this story...or was this story concocted from a human psyche?
Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father. what was Jesus, -a giraffe? God said let us make man in OUR image? what do we look like now? a platypus?



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 06:41 PM
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Jesus said?

A human male created the concept for the philosophy of occultism...science and conversion of the spirit review he considered from his own person.

As O light sound is not a spirit, he reviewed conditions as if it belonged to spirit...when it never did...for since when is atmospheric sound an actual spirit presence? It is not ....it is in fact a mass atmospheric body.

Clouds form as a reaction in the atmosphere which gave our ancient occult brother information about cloud formation itself in a natural atmospheric mass.

Therefore he considered his own person JESUS, without being JESUS, for the PHI lo sophy is a calculated spiritual conscious review condition about CHRIST.

The concepts of CHRIST were a philosophy regarding the Heavenly atmospheric body....the holiness of oxygen and its regeneration and the holiness of water.

Water and oxygen became unholy because the ancient occultist was doing stone levitation...taking the nuclear crystal fusion above that of natural fusion so that they could levitate stone...and it burnt out the crystal as an energy exchange.

Water and oxygen therefore changed....obvious isn't it?

They knew they changed atmospheric holiness for their own spiritual psyche advised them when they began to get spiritually attacked by evil spirits that they called an act of possession.

SION considered to be the holiness of CHRIST.

JESUS was therefore a factored PHI realization.....a statement that PHI calculated and spoke as a prophecy making statements of observations as a detailed prophetic spiritual advice.

They therefore factored a personal realization that they had changed the holiness of Earth's stone and Earth's heavenly veiled body and it attacked them...called omens or the Abomination of Mother Nature.

Hence if you review the data, the documents state that they knew that they caused plagues in animals and then animals caused the human spirit DNA to gain mutations and plagues also.

Therefore Scientist occult possessed numbnuts, if you saw yourself, then of course you would see your Father....who are you as an adult male anyway....aren't you, your own self considered to be Father?

Of course you are...you procreate, and father children, don't you.

Who thinks themselves the Creator...does an animal advise you that you think you are a Creator?

No.,...you advise your own self.

Human males believe that they are the Creator....their own spiritual psyche tells them so and yet you ignore your own information....where do you think this information came from? You thought about it yourself in your own mind....owned by your own physical presence....how dumb are you anyway?



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: beenharmed
A human male created the concept for the philosophy of occultism

Pure speculation. It could have just as easily have been a female.

for since when is atmospheric sound an actual spirit presence? It is not ....it is in fact a mass atmospheric body.

Once again you prove your complete and utter lack of even a 2nd grade science education.

Clouds form as a reaction in the atmosphere

Wrong again.

which gave our ancient occult brother information about cloud formation itself in a natural atmospheric mass.

Cue meaningless babble.

The concepts of CHRIST were a philosophy regarding the Heavenly atmospheric body....the holiness of oxygen and its regeneration and the holiness of water.

...And now we can add Abrahamic religions to the list of things you're clueless about.

Water and oxygen became unholy because the ancient occultist was doing stone levitation

Stone does not and never has levitated.Pick up a goddam physics book.

...taking the nuclear crystal fusion above that of natural fusion so that they could levitate stone...and it burnt out the crystal as an energy exchange.

More mindless drivel.

Water and oxygen therefore changed....obvious isn't it?

No. At least not to those with any semblance of an education.

SION considered to be the holiness of CHRIST.

You've already shown you know nothing about Christianity. No need to keep driving that point home.

JESUS was therefore a factored PHI realization.....a statement that PHI calculated and spoke as a prophecy making statements of observations as a detailed prophetic spiritual advice.

Meaningless crap.

They therefore factored a personal realization that they had changed the holiness of Earth's stone and Earth's heavenly veiled body and it attacked them...called omens or the Abomination of Mother Nature.

Source, please.

Hence if you review the data, the documents state that they knew that they caused plagues in animals and then animals caused the human spirit DNA to gain mutations and plagues also.

Provide said data and documents.

Therefore Scientist occult possessed numbnuts, if you saw yourself, then of course you would see your Father

Do you not see the problem with this statement?

....who are you as an adult male anyway....aren't you, your own self considered to be Father?

Nobody is considered to be their own father. When's the last time you underwent psychiatric evaluation?

Of course you are...you procreate, and father children, don't you.

So now you're making baseless assumptions about other members, huh?

Who thinks themselves the Creator

Nobody

does an animal advise you that you think you are a Creator?

No. Do animals talk to you? It wouldn't surprise me.

Human males believe that they are the Creator

No they don't. What's your problem with males, anyway?

where do you think this information came from?

The voices in your head.

how dumb are you anyway?

Pot, meet kettle.



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

Is the sky blue?

Yes.

Does the sky change?

Yes it does.

Philosophy the occult science beginnings of all science.

Religion and ownership.....a male's own condition, history attests to the review.

PHI, the factors as basic science...philosophy a male conscious concept where he discusses his own psychic wisdom.

Ancient Philosophy....a male organization...why we call it a brotherhood.

Does the male propose a female created him...no, he says his Father did.

He called the female proposition Mother Earth...Mother veil atmosphere, Mother Nature...and he told us all that his own Father created the creation.

Since when is a Planet owned by a spirit condition?
O is a circle, the proposition that a scientist/occultist stated created, for he factored his science via this symbol.

O since when is a symbol a spirit?

Are you wrong male and can't face the fact that you are wrong?



posted on Dec, 23 2015 @ 10:08 PM
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originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance

originally posted by: beenharmed
A human male created the concept for the philosophy of occultism

Pure speculation. It could have just as easily have been a female.

for since when is atmospheric sound an actual spirit presence? It is not ....it is in fact a mass atmospheric body.

Once again you prove your complete and utter lack of even a 2nd grade science education.

Clouds form as a reaction in the atmosphere

Wrong again.

which gave our ancient occult brother information about cloud formation itself in a natural atmospheric mass.

Cue meaningless babble.

The concepts of CHRIST were a philosophy regarding the Heavenly atmospheric body....the holiness of oxygen and its regeneration and the holiness of water.

...And now we can add Abrahamic religions to the list of things you're clueless about.

Water and oxygen became unholy because the ancient occultist was doing stone levitation

Stone does not and never has levitated.Pick up a goddam physics book.

...taking the nuclear crystal fusion above that of natural fusion so that they could levitate stone...and it burnt out the crystal as an energy exchange.

More mindless drivel.

Water and oxygen therefore changed....obvious isn't it?

No. At least not to those with any semblance of an education.

SION considered to be the holiness of CHRIST.

You've already shown you know nothing about Christianity. No need to keep driving that point home.

JESUS was therefore a factored PHI realization.....a statement that PHI calculated and spoke as a prophecy making statements of observations as a detailed prophetic spiritual advice.

Meaningless crap.

They therefore factored a personal realization that they had changed the holiness of Earth's stone and Earth's heavenly veiled body and it attacked them...called omens or the Abomination of Mother Nature.

Source, please.

Hence if you review the data, the documents state that they knew that they caused plagues in animals and then animals caused the human spirit DNA to gain mutations and plagues also.

Provide said data and documents.

Therefore Scientist occult possessed numbnuts, if you saw yourself, then of course you would see your Father

Do you not see the problem with this statement?

....who are you as an adult male anyway....aren't you, your own self considered to be Father?

Nobody is considered to be their own father. When's the last time you underwent psychiatric evaluation?

Of course you are...you procreate, and father children, don't you.

So now you're making baseless assumptions about other members, huh?

Who thinks themselves the Creator

Nobody

does an animal advise you that you think you are a Creator?

No. Do animals talk to you? It wouldn't surprise me.

Human males believe that they are the Creator

No they don't. What's your problem with males, anyway?

where do you think this information came from?

The voices in your head.

how dumb are you anyway?

Pot, meet kettle.


Seems to me that you are speaking to your own consciousness, which is why you told yourself that your own Father created you when you were the Father (human adult male) your own self.

Males....why did you do science...and is science natural? NO.

Were you reflecting on a burnt radiation signal? YES.

Were you in a drugged chemical plant state? YES.

Is this plant state a burnt chemical compared to your own organic natural state? YES, for it belongs to the wood family.

Who needs psychiatric evaluation? YOU DO, for you are actually speaking to your own self and answering your own self.

How did you achieve this outcome male? By placing your own spiritual information of the psyche/human cell condition with the alien contacts who feed back your own information.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 02:50 AM
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I think it is sacrifice if one knew that one would be killed and still didn't escape. Due to his faith he let them kill him, showing that his message was more important than his life. I think there are others that have done that also. Like an Indian yogi Sarkar who was tortured in prison 7 years, said his ideals are more important than his life.



posted on May, 28 2016 @ 04:24 AM
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I know I shall regret my comments but as a believer in God the Father, Christ Jesus the man and the Holy Spirit all being ONE as in the Trinity the sacrifice was for you and for me! When physical death entered this world there was no plan of everlasting life,, So God sent his son Jesus to pay the debt of all of mankind's sins..past, present and future....He knew he would be killed and He had the power to stop it but loved us all so much that he died a gruesome agonizing death for all.. When He died, He descended into hell for 3 days and defeated death! He then rose and ascended into heaven..

All He wants is for you to trust Him and believe in Him..For if you do you are promised everlasting life with God the Father. He loved you enough to do this. Your debt has been paid and you cannot change that...you cannot buy your way into heaven nor can you lose your salvation. This is your inheritance.

He shall return one day and judge us all on based on our hearts not on our deeds...

So God the maker of this universe is the Beginning and End...Christianity has been hijacked by the world with all the apostates and false teachings.

I call my self a Christian because I know how vile I truly am and need a Savior! It is my only shot at life everlasting ..

I am nothing more or less than a sinner saved by God's grace....These are my personal beliefs based on my own journey...

Pax
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posted on May, 28 2016 @ 04:50 AM
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I have not read much of this thread...But on this page what you stated is the most relevant and intelligent thing said.

Jesus had full knowledge of Scripture he knew full well what the punishment would be while being questioned before his accusers. Those whom brought forth the claims Jesus had made to them. Aside from having the ability to do something miraculous all he would have had to do was lie. He could have said he was not the Messiah and the religious leaders would have withdrawn any claim of blasphemy most likely satisfied with such a statement. Surely Pontius Pilate would have had an even harder time finding any fault in him.
But Jesus didn't do anything miraculous nor did he lie to save himself. Instead he told the truth knowing what the punishment for blasphemy would be. Innocent of all sin and claims made against him he died a wrongful death willingly to fullfil prophesy and free all mankind from bondage.
I don't understand how his crucifixion could be seen as anything other than a sacrifice.

And of course I agree with Pax too...
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posted on May, 28 2016 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
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[snip]But Jesus didn't do anything miraculous nor did he lie to save himself. Instead he told the truth knowing what the punishment for blasphemy would be. Innocent of all sin and claims made against him he died a wrongful death willingly to fullfil prophesy and free all mankind from bongo. dage. I don't understand how his crucifixion could be seen as anything other than a sacrifice.[snip]

This (Jesus's) human sacrifice was relevant 2000 years ago. How and in what way does it resonate with today's world of high tech/culture; instant information. Conditions existing 2000 years very different (lack of goods and services, an oppressive government; high taxation). Can you compare the extremism of Jesus's suicide/death to anything modern now other than Isis members achieving martyrdom through a suicidal plan that involves the murder of innocents?



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