How exactly was Jesus' crucifixion a sacrifice?

originally posted by: JuJuBee
It was a sacrifice because all Jesus did wrong was preach the gospel, contrary to the religious leaders of the time. It was the church that wanted Jesus to be crucified because they felt Jesus was being blasphemous. And, that church still exists today. It's called the Vatican.

Lete me also add:

Crucifying Him was a way to crush the message that He was spreading. His crucifixion was believed to be a curse to the Jews; the people He originally came here to set free. This is why Jewish people don't believe Jesus was/is the Messiah, because "Cursed is anyone that hangs from a tree." -(Deuteronomy 21:23, Gal 3:13)

If Jesus was cursed by by God for being nailed to a cross, what does that say about the ones who are drinking his blood and eating his flesh? Cursed?

a reply to: kibric

Do you know what the Message of The Cross is ?

X marks the spot.

Here's the door, enter here.

You are here!

Incarnation and reincarnation.

a reply to: Ghost147

Good question, he was sent on a mission to spread the word to try and get everyone closer to the one true creative force / god/ whatever.

It WAS a miniscule time and he didn't have to come back...but he did and he did a pretty dang good job. I think he may have used the wrong verbiage for "God" and unfortunately many people misinterpreted his message but the book and teachings are there.

Im sure he went back home / heaven / the other side, whatever you want to call it. He's not in hell. We don't realize it but all we want to do is go back home as well, but you must live in peace and love and in the moment to do so.

Im sure it was considered a sacrifice bc when you live a life on Earth, you do not realize you came back for a reason. He DID suffer and sacrificed his life. He did not know (while in his earthsuite) that he was going to be here for only 30 years, a miniscule time in the grand scheme of things, and then go back home so I would definitely say he sacrificed.

You must understand and believe in the reincarnation theory to get the full picture...

love, the reincarnation lady

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim

originally posted by: JuJuBee
It was a sacrifice because all Jesus did wrong was preach the gospel, contrary to the religious leaders of the time. It was the church that wanted Jesus to be crucified because they felt Jesus was being blasphemous. And, that church still exists today. It's called the Vatican.

Lete me also add:

Crucifying Him was a way to crush the message that He was spreading. His crucifixion was believed to be a curse to the Jews; the people He originally came here to set free. This is why Jewish people don't believe Jesus was/is the Messiah, because "Cursed is anyone that hangs from a tree." -(Deuteronomy 21:23, Gal 3:13)

If Jesus was cursed by by God for being nailed to a cross, what does that say about the ones who are drinking his blood and eating his flesh? Cursed?

He was not spreading the message of the foretold Jewish Messiah. He was telling them; do not overthrow Rome, give up all of your possessions and join the Kingdom of God (resides within you); this idea is eastern and hinges on looking inward/ meditation, not of the Quabala teachings. Catholic catharsis describes the morbid practice of the Eucharist (YOU ARE CHRIST).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

But of course, Jesus' paternal surname was Caesar (Joseph was Caesarion), so naturally did he want his subjects to respect Rome. His maternal surname (the one he used) was Bar-Davod. The latter was also used for children born out of wedlock, since king David defended such offspring, against the Priesthood's rulings. Jah bless the old king, he made screwing around legal for heavens' sake

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: vethumanbeing

But of course, Jesus' paternal surname was Caesar (Joseph was Caesarion), so naturally did he want his subjects to respect Rome. His maternal surname (the one he used) was Bar-Davod. The latter was also used for children born out of wedlock, since king David defended such offspring, against the Priesthood's rulings. Jah bless the old king, he made screwing around legal for heavens' sake

Let's talk about the two Joseph's instrumental in Jesus's life (the one that was married to Mary) not Jacobs eleventh son. The other major Joseph was Joseph of Arimathaea; his Godfather/protector (member of the Sanhedrin) that placed the body in within his own families tomb. A tin merchant; took Jesus upon his ships to the British Isles, the orient during the lost/undocumented years of his life when the Gnostic teachings took place; also provided the funding for the evacuation of the entire family to Egypt; including funding his education. No one speaks of this pivotal person yet was his primary benefactor (PATRON); a secret alliance.

a reply to: ryancooper74

because church makes someone a good person.... Right?

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Do some research on what Arithmathea means, it was a pun, as is all of the names in the New Testament.

And the winner is....The father of Iesus, which is also a pun name. It was the same Joseph we all know, they just hide it from view, as they do with everything in the bible.

a reply to: ryancooper74

You can try to ruffle as many feathers as your prideful mind wants, here is the actual scripture, which says that the Antichrist will come in the next kingdom. The interpretation is that Paul is the Antichrist, and the majority of earthly inhabitants will believe in his doctrine, only to witness the world to come and that they have believed in a false apostle with all of their faith. At that time the real Christ will appear through the clouds of eternal light and the falsehood and darkness of the false apostle will be extinguished, but the Christian will be in shame and will be questioned as to why they did not think harder to figure out that they were lied to and not follow the real Christ.

"Thus then, as the true prophet has said, a false gospel must first come from an impostor and only then, after the destruction of the holy place, can a true gospel be sent forth for the correction of the sects that are to come. And thereafter in the end an Antichrist must first come again and only afterwards must Jesus, our actual Christ, appear and then, with the rising of eternal light, everything that belongs to darkness must disappear."

originally posted by: UFOdanger
a reply to: vethumanbeing

Do some research on what Arithmathea means, it was a pun, as is all of the names in the New Testament.
And the winner is....The father of Iesus, which is also a pun name. It was the same Joseph we all know, they just hide it from view, as they do with everything in the bible.

No; no pun. The name Arithmathaea means: "One that lives between two hills"; that would be Jerusalem proper real estate Joseph owned/inhabited, come on this was a wealthy sea merchant that funded Jesus's education. Whatever are you speaking of regarding research? Pun vs limerick vs sonnet vs your humorous gravestone epitaph (composed by others)?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: ryancooper74

because church makes someone a good person.... Right?

Church could be defined as a local swap meet; all goods there were robbed from others (we would go to find our newly stolen musical instruments) and buy them back for a fraction of what they were worth. I asked a hag vendor, why sell stolen merchandise? Her answer was "to put my children through college 25 cents at a time interval".

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

Vethumanbeing: Let's talk about the two Joseph's instrumental in Jesus's life (the one that was married to Mary) not Jacobs eleventh son.

Utnapisjtim: But of course, Jesus' paternal surname was Caesar (Joseph was Caesarion), so naturally did he want his subjects to respect Rome. His maternal surname (the one he used) was Bar-Davod.

There were actually two Joseph consorts of Mother Mary. Caesarion (since his mother was Cleopatra, he was counted as a bar-Davod, all royals inter-married so both Julius and Cleopatra were part Jewish, descendants of David through Solomon) the old guy who died when Jesus was just a wee lad) and Joseph bar Jakov. That's why there are two genealogies for Jesus in the Gospel. Eli (in Luke) was Julius Caesar's Jewish name (and also the one Jesus named his son Elimas after), it means ascended (like all the Caesars did, they were personifications of Mars, the one in Heaven). The other Joseph (in Matthew), who acted as Jesus' daddy most of his life, was the son of another Jew (not Jew-lius, son of Jew-lia), who was named Jacob, which makes the second Joseph a bar-Jakov.

Joseph of Arimathea was Jesus' uncle. He was a Briton.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
originally posted by: vethumanbeing

Vethumanbeing: Let's talk about the two Joseph's instrumental in Jesus's life (the one that was married to Mary) not Jacobs eleventh son.

Utnapisjtim: But of course, Jesus' paternal surname was Caesar (Joseph was Caesarion), so naturally did he want his subjects to respect Rome. His maternal surname (the one he used) was Bar-Davod.

I cannot add to this. You have information I cannot qualify. I do not know where your information comes from but it does not Bar-Frighten/Bar-Scare me regarding authenticity.

Utna:There were actually two Joseph consorts of Mother Mary. Caesarion (since his mother was Cleopatra, he was counted as a bar-Davod, all royals inter-married so both Julius and Cleopatra were part Jewish, descendants of David through Solomon) the old guy who died when Jesus was just a wee lad) and Joseph bar Jakov. That's why there are two genealogies for Jesus in the Gospel. Eli (in Luke) was Julius Caesar's Jewish name (and also the one Jesus named his son Elimas after), it means ascended (like all the Caesars did, they were personifications of Mars, the one in Heaven). The other Joseph (in Matthew), who acted as Jesus' daddy most of his life, was the son of another Jew (not Jew-lius, son of Jew-lia), who was named Jacob, which makes the second Joseph a bar-Jakov

Um hum. Noah; I must ask? These are provocative pronouncements. I have no reason to disbelieve such; others may.

Utna/Noah: Joseph of Arimathea was Jesus' uncle. He was a Briton.

Yes he was and thank you for reiterating that fact.

naw, He will tell you Himself and explain not to see the sacrifice with such a worldly view, that He got His hurts at a friends house.....you're gonna like it when He does....

My Dearest Threadians...

God Does Not Give To The Unworthy. Nor Does He Sell To Death His Possession(s)...

Jesus... If Only You Take Into Account, For Merit's Sake, The Mel Gibson Take.... Then You Can Begin To Further The Argument That Seems Evident. God Pays. And He Pays Big!

Abraham... Bought Us All A Prize When He Put Isaac To Death Upon Request. His Only Son And Heir. God, In His Arrogance, Asked For Such A Praise And Prize... Which, To My Surprise, Buried God In A Debt So Horrendous... It Took His Only Begotten Son To Reward The Descendants Of Abraham. God Is Not So Generous... Jesus... Is Not And Was Not A Gift Of Kindness... But Instead A Debt Repaid To The Sons And Daughters Of Abraham. We Should Delight. But We Should Mourn. Theology Is Not... And Never Will Be The Study Of God(s). Theology Is The Sutdy Of Weights And Measures. In English... Debts. Wages, Taxes, Tithes, Offerings, Credits, Loans, Interests, Finance, Rents, etc... Go And Make Yourselves Rich! Then You Can Know God.
Be Poor... And Learn Names, Attributes, Dissention, Confusion, And Lies....

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Q: What To Fight For....
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Jews... Are They Rich???? Can Anyone Hint Me If They Are!?!

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a reply to: Pinocchio
Jesus's message of material wealth was a game changer regarding spiritual health/well being and was not looked upon fondly by the Saducce; as they controlled the money/economy of Jeruselem. The Christian thought principle has existed in concept before mankind existed. It finally manifested; and was contrary to the Jewish thought process; (that of retaining no material possessions as are of worthless value and cannot be taken into the non physical astral realm).

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
No; no pun. The name Arithmathaea means: "One that lives between two hills"; that would be Jerusalem proper real estate Joseph owned/inhabited, come on this was a wealthy sea merchant that funded Jesus's education. Whatever are you speaking of regarding research? Pun vs limerick vs sonnet vs your humorous gravestone epitaph (composed by others)?

Wealthy sea merchant that funded Jesus's education, and just happens to be a confirmed relative of Jesus, oh wait it gets better, a great uncle to Christ.

Come on! Wake up. You have been lied to and I know it sucks, but accept it for dishonesty and don't think for a second that these ancient writers and forgers cared one but about being honest with you and I. It could not be more obvious that Joseph, not the step father but real father to Christ, was a royal king, and was written down in the historical records. They lied about the whole family of Jesus, so they are not going to tell the full truth about Joseph and remain lying about the others.

You are going by what is accepted by scholars, fringe or not, 9 out of 10 times what is accepted by the mainstream is completely opposite of the truth. We have factual evidence from almost all corporate institutions in history, or at least all who have ties to the government, have deliberately falsified information that is released to the masses, from the local news station, all the way to the Smithsonian.

It is just ridiculous, because the scholars demand to us that the affiliated person with Joseph, Nicodemus, was a Pharisee. And so just because we are told that he was a Pharisee, you believe he was a Pharisee correct? Well if you wanted to clarify the information yourself instead of listening to what prideful stubborn skeptics tell you, you would read to find out that Nicodemus addressed the Pharisees "as ye know, O Scribes and Pharisees" as somebody who is outside of the Pharisees. If you would for once learn the historical truth of the New Testament and the political implicatinos it had on the 1st century including the blooming of Christianity, you would come to understand intimately that the writers, or forgers of the bible omitted the Essenes from the historical account. If it weren't for Josephus telling us that the Essenes were one of three major sects, you would have no idea they existed from reading the bible. How does it not make sense that the people who wrote the bible were enemies of the Essene sect and wrote them out of history since they were the victors. Well that is what the historical account tell us! It is an absolute fact that Josephus, Paul, Annus, and everybody, hated them.

"THEN Pilate having called together Nicodemus, and the fifteen men who said that Jesus was not born through fornication"

This is because Nicodemus was part of the council of the Assembly, or first church, as is stated the Essene community had a council of 12 men and 3 priests. Not 12 disciples, the disciples were in the hundreds and that is not contended. The only thing that is contented is the amount of pride you have and how stubborn you are, in believing the commonly accepted lies and refusing to look further into what lies were told and why they had reasons to lie about them.

"And Nicodemus came, bringing with him a mixture of myrrh and aloes about a hundred pound weight; and they took down Jesus from the cross with tears, and bound him with linen cloths with spices, according to the custom of burying among the Jews, 15 And placed him in a new tomb, which Joseph had built, and caused to be cut out of a rock, in which never any man had been put; and they rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre."

Not only was it a custom that only the family could handle Jesus with such care. If you read through the lines and gain understanding of this, you would come to know that Joseph is the real and royal father, and Nicodemus is a scripted character that is a stand in for the brother of Jesus, James, leader of the first church, whose real name was Jacob, the Righteous One.

originally posted by: UFOdanger

originally posted by: vethumanbeing
No; no pun. The name Arithmathaea means: "One that lives between two hills"; that would be Jerusalem proper real estate Joseph owned/inhabited, come on this was a wealthy sea merchant that funded Jesus's education. Whatever are you speaking of regarding research? Pun vs limerick vs sonnet vs your humorous gravestone epitaph (composed by others)?

UFO:Wealthy sea merchant that funded Jesus's education, and just happens to be a confirmed relative of Jesus, oh wait it gets better, a great uncle to Christ.

Yes; that is it exactly! (the one that had great interest [as Godfather] in providing the opportunity to travel the Orient, Great Briton/study as a young savant in Egypt).

UFO: Come on! Wake up. You have been lied to and I know it sucks, but accept it for dishonesty and don't think for a second that these ancient writers and forgers cared one but about being honest with you and I. It could not be more obvious that Joseph, not the step father but real father to Christ, was a royal king, and was written down in the historical records. They lied about the whole family of Jesus, so they are not going to tell the full truth about Joseph and remain lying about the others.

Lied to (who is they); billions of Bibles in print to support a belief system. Joseph/Mary confab was a form of hegemony; the real creator of Jesus borrowed some DNA as the self described 'Holy Spirit' (life giver in action); faith, science and belief systems collide to state a truth (physical conception).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

«Hosiannah, the son of David», written back into its original Hebrew becomes the full proper name, Hosiannan bar Davod, or Jesus Davidson in modern English.