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originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: stormbringer1701
Uhm... excuse me?Mind showing this evidence?
there are accounts of the exodus recorded on Egyptian stellae.
I know of ONE small inscription that says nothing but "Israel is laid waste" in all of Egypt...
So please enlighten the class...
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: stormbringer1701
Uhm... excuse me?Mind showing this evidence?
there are accounts of the exodus recorded on Egyptian stellae.
I know of ONE small inscription that says nothing but "Israel is laid waste" in all of Egypt...
So please enlighten the class...
The Egyptians welcomed those nomads (never enslaved them but embraced instead); and in return they stole sacred knowledge and fled. The Story of Moses is false.
originally posted by: beenharmed
the ancient science was levitation of stone.
The male, who knew that he was the cause of the creation via an act of destruction, has always told lies to his own person....
How can SIN, being an actual scientific equation be changed, when its factor factor the condition? FALSE.
...just as ancient evidence in archaeology demonstrates.
originally posted by: Akragon
originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: stormbringer1701
Uhm... excuse me?Mind showing this evidence?
there are accounts of the exodus recorded on Egyptian stellae.
I know of ONE small inscription that says nothing but "Israel is laid waste" in all of Egypt...
So please enlighten the class...
The Egyptians welcomed those nomads (never enslaved them but embraced instead); and in return they stole sacred knowledge and fled. The Story of Moses is false.
The problem is, there isn't any evidence to say that the Israelites were ever in Egypt... slaves or otherwise...
IF they were in Egypt for all that time, there would be some sort of evidence of their existence in Egypt...
Theres not... Theres theories... And Christian missionaries always seem to come up with some sort of evidence linking them to the area or the exodus which always turns up to be nothing but their own speculation
the fact is the evidence just isn't there... perhaps its yet to be discovered... but far more likely the whole story was made up
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
lets start with this: God had Abram prepare to and almost sacrifice his own son as a test. in reality God Knew Abram would do as ordered. The whole thing was a prefigure of what God himself would later do. that is to sacrifice his own son.
originally posted by: Ghost147
How exactly was Jesus' crucifixion a sacrifice?
you see in the torah only a blemishless sacrificial animal could be offered effectively. only there is no such thing as a blemishless animal. the blood of said animal would absolve one of their sins for that year. But under the law a blemishless sacrifice could absolve from sin perpetually.
This is also prefigured in pass over where the blood of a lamb on the door threshold would cause death to pass over that house.
The story of salvation is told over and over in the OT through the various biblical types for Christ and in the case of Abram; God.
Note that Christ is said to have lived perfectly by the Law (He was God so he could do it after all) so he was completely innocent or without blemish. so he was accused and tried and convicted and sentenced and executed. In the Torah if someone is punished for a crime no one else can be punished for that same sin. No double jeopardy. even if it is later revealed the original defendant was innocent.
All of the OT law in the old covenant set laws that both man and God would bind themselves to. God is bound by the law and cannot execute us now that Jesus has paid the price.
God planned this from the very foundation of this world. and everything he holds us to he also holds himself to. to include coming into the flesh as Jesus obeying every line of the law and dying as he commanded us to do.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
That is manipulative in the highest order. Ted Bundy was a model citizen beside that.
I don't think so. the person on the Cross was God incarnate in the flesh as Jeshua. as to the people in the flesh that died or were killed. That is only the flesh dying not the person. The person is very much alive off stage from mortal ken. From The God/Spiritual point of view anything that happens in the flesh (which through flesh eyes is viewed as evil) due to God's intervention is inconsequential in the greater reality of the spirit since no spirit has perished yet. From a spiritual POV none of those people who were slain under the old covenant are in the same blind peril we who survive in the new covenant are. As God is a fair judge; they will have a chance after 1000 years of being in sight of Christ and the angels and Satan chained in the Abyss and remedial ministry during the millennium by the elect before their fate is decided. They will not have to blindly believe as we do and choose while living bound to material senses and doubt. No one will be thrown into the lake of fire without hearing the gospel and having a chance to accept salvation through Christ. And no baby or child will have to worry about it at all.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
lets start with this: God had Abram prepare to and almost sacrifice his own son as a test. in reality God Knew Abram would do as ordered. The whole thing was a prefigure of what God himself would later do. that is to sacrifice his own son.
originally posted by: Ghost147
How exactly was Jesus' crucifixion a sacrifice?
you see in the torah only a blemishless sacrificial animal could be offered effectively. only there is no such thing as a blemishless animal. the blood of said animal would absolve one of their sins for that year. But under the law a blemishless sacrifice could absolve from sin perpetually.
This is also prefigured in pass over where the blood of a lamb on the door threshold would cause death to pass over that house.
The story of salvation is told over and over in the OT through the various biblical types for Christ and in the case of Abram; God.
Note that Christ is said to have lived perfectly by the Law (He was God so he could do it after all) so he was completely innocent or without blemish. so he was accused and tried and convicted and sentenced and executed. In the Torah if someone is punished for a crime no one else can be punished for that same sin. No double jeopardy. even if it is later revealed the original defendant was innocent.
All of the OT law in the old covenant set laws that both man and God would bind themselves to. God is bound by the law and cannot execute us now that Jesus has paid the price.
God planned this from the very foundation of this world. and everything he holds us to he also holds himself to. to include coming into the flesh as Jesus obeying every line of the law and dying as he commanded us to do.
That is manipulative in the highest order. Ted Bundy was a model citizen beside that.
No it's rules lawyering. He created a way to have his cake and eat it too when it came to his imperfect children. Needed imperfect children but has to have perfect justice. So He set up a just law system with a way to prevent the required execution of the mandatory sentence from affecting his sinful children. No greater love have any man than this; that he lay down his life for his friends. This he did on the cross.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
lets start with this: God had Abram prepare to and almost sacrifice his own son as a test. in reality God Knew Abram would do as ordered. The whole thing was a prefigure of what God himself would later do. that is to sacrifice his own son.
originally posted by: Ghost147
How exactly was Jesus' crucifixion a sacrifice?
you see in the torah only a blemishless sacrificial animal could be offered effectively. only there is no such thing as a blemishless animal. the blood of said animal would absolve one of their sins for that year. But under the law a blemishless sacrifice could absolve from sin perpetually.
This is also prefigured in pass over where the blood of a lamb on the door threshold would cause death to pass over that house.
The story of salvation is told over and over in the OT through the various biblical types for Christ and in the case of Abram; God.
Note that Christ is said to have lived perfectly by the Law (He was God so he could do it after all) so he was completely innocent or without blemish. so he was accused and tried and convicted and sentenced and executed. In the Torah if someone is punished for a crime no one else can be punished for that same sin. No double jeopardy. even if it is later revealed the original defendant was innocent.
All of the OT law in the old covenant set laws that both man and God would bind themselves to. God is bound by the law and cannot execute us now that Jesus has paid the price.
God planned this from the very foundation of this world. and everything he holds us to he also holds himself to. to include coming into the flesh as Jesus obeying every line of the law and dying as he commanded us to do.
That is manipulative in the highest order. Ted Bundy was a model citizen beside that.
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
No it's rules lawyering. He created a way to have his cake and eat it too when it came to his imperfect children. Needed imperfect children but has to have perfect justice. So He set up a just law system with a way to prevent the required execution of the mandatory sentence from affecting his sinful children. No greater love have any man than this; that he lay down his life for his friends. This he did on the cross.
originally posted by: TzarChasm
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
lets start with this: God had Abram prepare to and almost sacrifice his own son as a test. in reality God Knew Abram would do as ordered. The whole thing was a prefigure of what God himself would later do. that is to sacrifice his own son.
originally posted by: Ghost147
How exactly was Jesus' crucifixion a sacrifice?
you see in the torah only a blemishless sacrificial animal could be offered effectively. only there is no such thing as a blemishless animal. the blood of said animal would absolve one of their sins for that year. But under the law a blemishless sacrifice could absolve from sin perpetually.
This is also prefigured in pass over where the blood of a lamb on the door threshold would cause death to pass over that house.
The story of salvation is told over and over in the OT through the various biblical types for Christ and in the case of Abram; God.
Note that Christ is said to have lived perfectly by the Law (He was God so he could do it after all) so he was completely innocent or without blemish. so he was accused and tried and convicted and sentenced and executed. In the Torah if someone is punished for a crime no one else can be punished for that same sin. No double jeopardy. even if it is later revealed the original defendant was innocent.
All of the OT law in the old covenant set laws that both man and God would bind themselves to. God is bound by the law and cannot execute us now that Jesus has paid the price.
God planned this from the very foundation of this world. and everything he holds us to he also holds himself to. to include coming into the flesh as Jesus obeying every line of the law and dying as he commanded us to do.
That is manipulative in the highest order. Ted Bundy was a model citizen beside that.
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
the person on the Cross was God incarnate in the flesh as Jeshua.
God being an absolute embodiment of Justice, perfection means that he cannot permanently tolerate imperfection/error/sin. But in order to get what he needed his children had to be capable of rejecting him. With billions of us it was inevitable that many of us would or all of us if you wait long enough. So these two aspects of God were in conflict. He knew it from the very beginning and decided to resolve the conflict via a legalistic mechanism that would satisfy his need for absolute justice while allowing his children freewill and imperfection.
originally posted by: Agartha
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
the person on the Cross was God incarnate in the flesh as Jeshua.
So God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself..... I will say it again, it makes no sense whatsoever.
originally posted by: stormbringer1701
God being an absolute embodiment of Justice, perfection means that he cannot permanently tolerate imperfection/error/sin. But in order to get what he needed his children had to be capable of rejecting him. With billions of us it was inevitable that many of us would or all of us if you wait long enough. So these two aspects of God were in conflict. He knew it from the very beginning and decided to resolve the conflict via a legalistic mechanism that would satisfy his need for absolute justice while allowing his children freewill and imperfection.
God made and owns everything in the universe including body and soul. It is his right to dispose of us as he wills. Even our very soul isn't ours. Rather than destroy us he found a way that we could live. and the requirements he judges us by on earth he lived by perfectly to show it wasn't impossible and that therefore the prescribed sentence for sin is fair. And all we have to do to access eternal life is acknowledge The Gospel of Christ and begin living according to his teachings. His teachings aren't hard in theory: treat everyone as you would want to be treated. Forgive anyone who transgresses against you and repent when you fail to live up to the law. No one gets into heaven because they were perfect at following the old covenant.