Ukraine crisis: Rockets 'kill 20' in Mariupol

It seems Debaltseve pocket is fast closing on the Ukrops. Upto 10,000 soldiers are in the risk of encirclement and cut off from supplies and evacuation.

It remains to be seen what the stupid Kiev Junta will do? Will they pull out and retreat and save 10K soldiers or they will let them be rounded up after surrender.

Kiev Junta should pull out of Donetsk and Lughansk all together and make some defensive line out of these two Oblasts.

It is sad to see so much destruction of human beings for the losing cause of the fascists. Its the Kiev Army that holds the cards. They should throw out the Junta regime and pull out of the Novorossiya areas and focus on whatever western part is left.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: mangust69

I have to ask - do you know what a Junta is?

Seems to be the favourite tagline for the pro-Russia lot, but no one is even using the word even vaguely correctly. It would be more accurate to call them a herd or a constellation you're so far off the mark.

Junta -

A junta or military junta is a government led by a committee of military leaders. The term derives from the Spanish word junta, meaning committee or meeting; specifically a board of directors.

Excellent post! I always laugh at how some people use the English language. I understand non-natives make mistakes, but the Russian propaganda machine just picks evil sounding words that don't make any sense. It's really classic Soviet thinking that carries over to today.

a reply to: victor7

More talk of crippling the Russian economy now....

www.businessinsider.com...

Personally I hope they finally hammer Russia as I'm tired of efforts to convince them to stay in their own country.
It's sad that ordinary Russians have to pay for Putin's Soviet revival.

a reply to: noeltrotsky

Personally I hope they finally hammer Russia as I'm tired of efforts to convince them to stay in their own country.
It's sad that ordinary Russians have to pay for Putin's Soviet revival.

You people keep saying that, but so far all Russia has done is take Crimea so as not to risk losing a hugely important naval base there. This "Soviet Revival" garbage really is getting tedious now. And by the way, I hope your not American with that "stay in their own country" remark, that really would be the height of hypocrisy...

a reply to: Flatcoat

You people keep saying that, but so far all Russia has done is take Crimea so as not to risk losing a hugely important naval base there.

And they had a lease until 2042 so they had no chance of losing it to Ukraine any time soon. But it sure was something that Russia could say as a reason to take Crimea from Ukraine.

Will continue the "American in Ukraine"? thread in this more suited thread:
Evidence of American mercenaries fighting in the Ukraine ?

originally posted by: noeltrotsky
It's sad that ordinary Russians have to pay for Putin's Soviet revival.

This might not be the case for much longer.

When Russian troops meet the Ukrainian forces head-on and Kiev is forced into action (they haven't really dealt a full blow yet) thousands of Russians will be going home in body bags and buried in secret, and the relatives who stupidly believed Putin and thought their sons, brothers, husbands and fathers were "not in Ukraine" will likely be marching in the streets.

a reply to: kloejen

Will continue the "American in Ukraine"? thread in this more suited thread:

You can, but it doesn't make it any truer here than it did there.

originally posted by: Flatcoat
You people keep saying that, but so far all Russia has done is take Crimea so as not to risk losing a hugely important naval base there. This "Soviet Revival" garbage really is getting tedious now. And by the way, I hope your not American with that "stay in their own country" remark, that really would be the height of hypocrisy...

You people = intelligent and rational observers of reality.

Putin had a lease on Crimea, there was no threat to that partnership in any way, shape or form. You and I both know this, as do plenty of others.

Its also a fact, borne out by all available evidence, that Russian troops are in Ukraine proper, not just Crimea. It's also fact that the referendum in Crimea was staged, even the former Russian "Rebel leader" there has stated this on record in Russian press, clearly and openly saying that it was orchestrated by Russia to go in its favor and that the people had no choice. He has stated this on record for the entire world to see, it not propaganda, not hearsay, not suggestion. Search for it, it's out there for all to see.

In addition, there is the photographic and video evidence of a BUK missile launcher system entering Ukraine from Russia before the plane was shot out of the sky, and more of the same evidence of it quickly leaving immediately after, with ONE MISSILE NOW GONE.

Again, this is out there for all to see, but because the investigation is still ongoing the press have held off on discussing it further.

Those who have been paying attention also know that shortly after the passenger plane was shot out of the sky, Ukrainian military claimed to have evidence at least suggesting that Russia was planning a false flag attack on one of its own passenger jets, as a pretext to invade Ukraine after blaming the downing and killing of so many Russians on Kiev. The only problem was that they shot down the wrong plane, so gaining Russian public support and using it as an excuse to invade wasn't possible.

Again, it's likely this is not being talked about because of the investigation.

Either way, ignoring all the huge mistakes Putin has made in his terrible handling of what he hoped would be a plausibly deniable invasion, the one fact still remains - Russia has invaded Ukraine.

Russia has to be stopped for the security of NATO members and the security of Europe as a whole. Unless Putin stops his nutty behaviour soon, NATO and allies will have no choice but to act in defence of NATO members and this will likely involve planes shelling every "Rebel" (Russian) position in Ukraine and sending all his invading troops home in body bags.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: kloejen

Will continue the "American in Ukraine"? thread in this more suited thread:

You can, but it doesn't make it any truer here than it did there.

haha point taken. Just trying to be polite, and make a reference to the continuation thread, which is more suited.(search-wise)
Lets see how that "truth" will do ..

originally posted by: kloejen
Will continue the "American in Ukraine"? thread in this more suited thread:
Evidence of American mercenaries fighting in the Ukraine ?

No pro-Russians seems willing to discuss the fact that the accent is a very poor mimicking of American, or the fact that his voice is miraculously clearer and louder than all other voices in that video - a clear indication that it was dubbed in after the event, and incredibly poorly too.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Russia has to be stopped for the security of NATO members and the security of Europe as a whole. Unless Putin stops his nutty behaviour soon, NATO and allies will have no choice but to act in defence of NATO members and this will likely involve planes shelling every "Rebel" (Russian) position in Ukraine and sending all his invading troops home in body bags.

Do you know the consequences of NATO getting involved in Ukraine and thereby declaring war against Russia?

Your views sure do throw up lots of confidence in the power of NATO and that is true............NATO is more powerful than Russia standing alone. However, in real world Russia will NOT be alone! Take a note of THIS fact and digest it in your mind.............Russia WILL NOT be fighting alone and outnumbered!!

NATO has been a champ only when fighting the Brezhnev era armies of third world nations crippled by economic and military sanctions and abandoned by their closet of the friends. NATO stands little chance of repeating its glories when faced off with an alliance of major nations. Brussles will be wise enough!

a reply to: victor7

If such events came to pass I hope Russia isn't relying in China to come to their aid. China's economy is too reliant on the US to come out as an outright enemy. Plus, a weakened Russia would allow China the potential to pick up some of the land that is historically theirs.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

China is toooooooo clever to deny the fact that if Russia goes down, then China will be next on the list of "predatory plans" for total global domination.

a reply to: victor7

China's also smart enough to recognize that the US won't be a threat for decades. They've got a symbiotic relationship right now. The only way they'll break that is if the US actually brings back it's industry sector. Which will take decades to rebuild.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Which will take decades to rebuild.

Two years at most. Robotics is already on its way. Be ready for robots to clean your dishes and vaccum the house while you flip the channels and chat on the FB.

China has already started to focus more on Asia and other third world for business orders. Chinese are more actively investing in Africa than anywhere else. Idea is to prop their economies up so they start to live like a common consumer beings and start ordering stuff from China. BRICs is a good example of thrid world becoming consumer world. Now every member of a middle class household wants own cellphone and other consumer goods.

Armed people in uniform speaking fluent English with no accent, were spotted working alongside Ukrainian troops in the aftermath of the rocket attacks in Mariupol.

Military-clad English-speakers caught on camera in Mariupol shelling aftermath

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: nOraKat

Your source is from RT.

Any sources that have not been caught lying about this topic?

Top story on Yahoo7 this morning about the rocket attack. Headline: "Putin did it!". This propaganda campaign has gotten beyond ridiculous now. It'd be hilarious if there wasn't so many innocent people dying.

hey guy, where are all your posts about every time Ukraine shelled residential areas and killed civilians?

and what even makes you think the separatists are responsible for this attack? got any proof?