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reply posted on 28-11-2004 @ 11:29 PM by ItWasntMe
Originally posted by Psychoses
ItWasntMe, if you wish to address me I would appreciate it if you call me by my user name, not Psycho. I'm sure you would take offence at forum members referring to you as an "It".

In your last post you say " You seem to be showing a pattern of wild accusations without any type of proof to back it up". It is becoming tiresome having to jump through your circus hoops of fire. You wanted proof of an illegal war and I presented it to you on a silver platter. You have not even the common decency of acknowledging this. Now you want proof of the Bush families Nazi links. Your patriotism is making you blind to the truth.

Is this what you seek,

From linked article
After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

source


or this,

From linked article
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

source


or this,

From linked article
In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.@s1

source


As well as taking the time to learn how to use one of the many online search engines, I suggest to you to step up your efforts in denying your own ignorance. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.




If asking you to back up ur statements with the sources you got the information from is jumping through circus hoops, especially when its not a common knowledge statement, then i would hate to have someone ask you something really tough. By backing up your statements with actual articles and such as you have done before it allows people to see your point and actually have a educated conversation instead of having many people just staying theorys and points of view as facts. I meant no disrespect by addressing you as psycho, was in a hurry and was just short handing. Finally I dont appreciate being called ignorant, in all my posts i back up my statements with firm articles and proof that is hard to deny. If you want to just call names and run around like idiots any monkey can do that, takes a real man to be able to convince others to see other points of views. So if that isnt asking you to do another circus feat lets move back to the discussion at hand.

[edit on 28-11-2004 by ItWasntMe]


reply posted on 29-11-2004 @ 12:11 AM by Psychoses
I would like to believe you, ItWasntMe, but asking someone for a source is one thing. Charging people with making wild accusations and implying that their grip on reality has diminished is something totally different.

If in future you should question a statement made by a member in a large post, a simple search would reveal whether the statement could be classed as true or false.

Examle: Google search -
bush+nazi

This would have taken you approximately 30 seconds of your life, as opposed to making a post insinuating the information given was fanciful banter which not only wasted your time but also mine in having to reply to it. People cannot be expected to provide a link for every single sentence in a long post.

It is not my job to deny your ignorance, it is yours.

As far as the name calling goes, please feel free to quote where I called you anything other than your member name. As you so plainly put it, "I challenge you". It was not I who used the words Idiot, monkey and questioned a members manhood because you were not convinced to the truth of a commonly known fact.

If you have something constructive to add to the thread, feel free. If not, there is no need for you to post further.


reply posted on 29-11-2004 @ 01:07 AM by Psychoses
It is not only the U.S forces who are being accused of violations. British troops have been under investigation for killing civilians also,

From linked article
UK troops have killed Iraqi civilians including an eight-year-old girl when they were under no apparent threat, Amnesty International has claimed.
The human rights group claims in "many" cases the deaths of civilians caused by UK troops had not been investigated.

The families want the deaths declared a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights, but the UK Government says the convention does not apply in Iraq.

source


President Bush publicly apologised for the humiliation inflicted on prisoners but Tony Blair has remained awfully quiet. Let it also be stated that Donald Rumsfeld was forced to answer questions raised by the Senate Armed Sevices commitee as to his decision to withhold information about the abuses. source This definately sets a precedent for further cover ups.

So where does the buck stop. In the last election there was a great fuss made about Kerry's ability to take on the role of "commander in chief". Doubts were cast as to his ability to lead the armed forces of America. So if the President is the head of the forces, is it not he who is ultimately responsible for the forces?

It is said Saddam ordered the gassing of the Kurds(doubts have been raised) and this reason was used to remove him(after no WMD's were found) so can it not be said that as leader of the U.S armed forces Bush is personally responsible for any attrocities committed in Iraq as he was the one to order the invasion?

Is Bush concerned that he himself may be tried for war crimes?


reply posted on 29-11-2004 @ 01:39 AM by Psychoses
Now the news is breaking in Britain. Republicans have finally come out and said it,


Republicans in the United States Congress have moved to block hundreds of millions of pounds in economic aid to foreign nations, unless they agree to shield American personnel and troops from any possible prosecution by the International Criminal Court.

Republicans are concerned that American personnel or even political leaders might find themselves dragged into politically motivated prosecutions before the ICC, an international court established by treaty in 1998 to hear cases of war crimes, genocide and other crimes against humanity.

Their move bars any aid flowing to a nation that is a party to the ICC, unless that country signs a so-called Article 98 agreement with Washington. Those agreements amount to a binding promise not to hand any American citizen accused of war crimes to the ICC.

source


So the republicans are openly stating that they are concerned the leader of their party may be forced to face charges in relation to crimes. Is Rumsfeld sitting on some info that has yet to be disclosed?

From linked story
The clause inserted in Congress does contain a "national security" waiver that would allow President George W Bush to exempt key allies from the penalty


No wonder John Howard is sucking up like never before. He hopes George will come to his rescue.

What is more interesting is that originally U'S had signed up to be part of the ICC but Dubya cancelled citing the reason the court is "a body based in The Hague where unaccountable judges and prosecutors could pull our troops, our diplomats up for trial".

Only if they do something wrong George, so what are you worried about?


reply posted on 29-11-2004 @ 05:30 AM by masterp
How we have forgotten history...Nazis have nothing to do with USA or any other country. Whoever says that USA has Nazi behaviour deserves to time travel to Germany at the 40's as a Jew....

USA does not kill people on the basis of their race.

USA does not have concentration camps. Guantanamo is not a concentration camp, although it violates several laws (that's why it is out of US soil).

USA does not burn people in furnaces.

USA has not form an SS-like agency that screens all people and all activities all the time. There is still freedom in USA, remember? you can even be a communist, if you like. No one will put you to prison for that.

USA does not do experiments on humans as Nazi did in order to create the superhuman Arian race.

USA does not gather together blond blue-eyed people and trains them to be the leaders of tomorrow.

So who ever says that USA = Nazi Germany is absolutely wrong. Of course, USA has its fair share of atrocities and problems, as everyone else. But it is a long way off to the absolute dictatorship that the Nazis were.

USA in fact is a whole different class of problems. USA causes problems in the world, like the recent report from State Department that the Great Alexander was not Greek, which is part of its diplomacy plan for controlling oil resources in order to kepp the American Dream(tm) alive.

So Turkey reacts to US, because Turkey knows US plans:

Turkey is about to be divided, and a separate Kurdish state will emerge.

The Kurdish state of course will be a protectorate of USA: it will have direct access to the Caspian Sea and oils, and will host big military US bases that are very important to US interests, in order to control the Middle East and the Saudi Arabia.

The 'secret' of dividing Turkey in half is no secret at all. It is being discussed for the last 20 years.

The recent recognition of 'Macedonia' as an indepentent state (and more importantly, culture) recently is one step towards the greater purpose of reshaping the whole greater area of Middle East and its surroundings towards serving US interests.

These plans have been laid out a long time ago, from the people that decided Israel must be re-created in the Middle East. Ask Kissinger, he knows.


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