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US in Iraq worse than Hitler

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posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 10:22 PM
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LOL! Sour grapes, my son sent that family tree to me just today. Observant little fellow, he is.
I wonder if it means a thing. I have no idea what my family tree would reveal if I were to dig deep, but I see now reason for it to influence me if I did know. In the same manner, why are we to assume that the allegations of Bush's grandfather influencing his views today. I am more concerned that his father would be more likely to do that, but it is also my understanding the Dubya and his father do not see eye to eye on the whole NWO thing.

However, Dubya's irrational immigration desires seem to go counter to his perceived desire to maintain U.S. sovereignty at all cost.

I fear what I have said for years is really the truth; we are intentionally given two bad choices every four years so that we will pick the lesser of the two evils, still walking slowly in the direction "They" want us to go.




posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 10:26 PM
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Oh, Moooookkuuuuuuuu! Where's that information you owe me??

Come out, come out wherever you aaaaaare!

I have determined the punishment for making such a hideous allegation without back-up. Your avatar must wear tu-tu's or something to that effect for one week!


Remember, the article must come from a recognized source; not Rense or the like!

If you do produce evidence, I will have one of the IT geeks do something equally nasty to my avatar, such as replace Dog with a poodle.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Echtelion
edsinger, on July the 11th 1945, weeks before the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Japan expressed its intent to surrender and signing a peace treaty under the condition that the monarchy would be preserved in Japan. Right, I did a minor mistake... it was not a mere week before, but about 3 WEEKS before the bomb was dropped. That means th US had all this time to verify Japan's intentions and take the decision of using the bomb or not.

Also, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were known to house military facilities and factories, so these cities were secondary tactical targets. As for Tokyo, it's just basic military decence to not wiping out a country's biggest city or capital first. I'm not even sure Stalin would have done something like that. The US administration was probably a bunch of horrible psychopaths -or just incompetent people influenced by unhuman machiavellic generals-, but still they were not savages.


So your claim is we bombed them for the hell of it right? I am sure that the folks in power knew things you don't. I do not think we dropped it to show the Russians we had it but I could be wrong.

Thats it all wars the American have ever fought, the American use unnecessary force and kill only innocent people and the United States is the most evil nation ever.

Not on your best day.



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 11:29 PM
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Originally posted by Psychoses
ItWasntMe, if you wish to address me I would appreciate it if you call me by my user name, not Psycho. I'm sure you would take offence at forum members referring to you as an "It".

In your last post you say " You seem to be showing a pattern of wild accusations without any type of proof to back it up". It is becoming tiresome having to jump through your circus hoops of fire. You wanted proof of an illegal war and I presented it to you on a silver platter. You have not even the common decency of acknowledging this. Now you want proof of the Bush families Nazi links. Your patriotism is making you blind to the truth.

Is this what you seek,


From linked article
After the seizures in late 1942 of five U.S. enterprises he managed on behalf of Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, failed to divest himself of more than a dozen "enemy national" relationships that continued until as late as 1951, newly-discovered U.S. government documents reveal.

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or this,


From linked article
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

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or this,


From linked article
In October 1942, ten months after entering World War II, America was preparing its first assault against Nazi military forces. Prescott Bush was managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman. His 18-year-old son George, the future U.S. President, had just begun training to become a naval pilot. On Oct. 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City which were being conducted by Prescott Bush.

Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over the Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares, all of which were owned by Prescott Bush, E. Roland `` Bunny '' Harriman, three Nazi executives, and two other associates of Bush.@s1

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As well as taking the time to learn how to use one of the many online search engines, I suggest to you to step up your efforts in denying your own ignorance. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.




If asking you to back up ur statements with the sources you got the information from is jumping through circus hoops, especially when its not a common knowledge statement, then i would hate to have someone ask you something really tough. By backing up your statements with actual articles and such as you have done before it allows people to see your point and actually have a educated conversation instead of having many people just staying theorys and points of view as facts. I meant no disrespect by addressing you as psycho, was in a hurry and was just short handing. Finally I dont appreciate being called ignorant, in all my posts i back up my statements with firm articles and proof that is hard to deny. If you want to just call names and run around like idiots any monkey can do that, takes a real man to be able to convince others to see other points of views. So if that isnt asking you to do another circus feat lets move back to the discussion at hand.

[edit on 28-11-2004 by ItWasntMe]



posted on Nov, 28 2004 @ 11:40 PM
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Don't be ignorant, Itwasn'tyou, Edit that extremely long quote down to size! You know better than that, you are ignoring the board laws!


Get it? Ignorant...ignoring!?!

Aw, I give up. Nobody ever gets it.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 12:08 AM
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Originally posted by edsinger

So your claim is we bombed them for the hell of it right? I am sure that the folks in power knew things you don't. I do not think we dropped it to show the Russians we had it but I could be wrong.

Thats it all wars the American have ever fought, the American use unnecessary force and kill only innocent people and the United States is the most evil nation ever.

Not on your best day.


why not drop it on the russians, then? or, how about an UNPOPULATED AREA!?
you're so caught up in mcarthyistic hyperbole, fascist rhetoric and jingoism you can't even see that your ass is on fire.

my best day will be when REASON enters into government, and replaces self-serving satanic circlejerkers.

and i'll tell you why they dropped it, because i love you.
they dropped it to follow the philosophies of bertrand russel, aldous huxley and h.g. wells. they are utopians who seem to be blind to their own evil. utopia for them, is a world they can rule without having to deal with the natural forces of justice that are the nature of man. the bomb was used to shock the whole world into fear of mutual assured destruction. the masses of 'cattle' are much more easily herded when they are living in fear. the war on terrorism is an extension of this 'utopian' society.
scare them, drug them, lie to them, kill them, lock them up and throw away the key.
ahhhh, utopia. it's absolutely beautiful, isn't it, ed?



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 12:11 AM
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I would like to believe you, ItWasntMe, but asking someone for a source is one thing. Charging people with making wild accusations and implying that their grip on reality has diminished is something totally different.

If in future you should question a statement made by a member in a large post, a simple search would reveal whether the statement could be classed as true or false.

Examle: Google search - bush+nazi

This would have taken you approximately 30 seconds of your life, as opposed to making a post insinuating the information given was fanciful banter which not only wasted your time but also mine in having to reply to it. People cannot be expected to provide a link for every single sentence in a long post.

It is not my job to deny your ignorance, it is yours.

As far as the name calling goes, please feel free to quote where I called you anything other than your member name. As you so plainly put it, "I challenge you". It was not I who used the words Idiot, monkey and questioned a members manhood because you were not convinced to the truth of a commonly known fact.

If you have something constructive to add to the thread, feel free. If not, there is no need for you to post further.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
We've never had to deal with such situations, fellow Thorazine lover, because we haven't allowed a dictator take over our nation, terrorize our people into being like cattle, rape our women and children, imprison young boys for not becoming part of the party, make our country a safe-harbor for international terrorist leaders, have contacts and ties wioth other organizations who want to destroy the West, use "non-existent" special weapons on our own...need I continue? Nope. I don't.


i beg to differ. george bush and crew are dictators that took over in 2000. you're people HAVE been terrorised by the media and the government, abu gharib was a rape fest condoned by the higher ups, and as the thirteen yr. old boy said on his teeshirt, 'the real terrorists are in the white house'. pretty safe harbour.
for close ties with west destroyers, see 'walmart'.

pass the lithium.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by edsinger
When one compares the US to the Nazi's they really have no clue of reality. The Nazi's were and occultic regime and evil in nature.


haven't seen the bohemian grove video? haven't seen templar symbol of the skull and bones flying over the whitehouse? haven't noticed the whitehouse is shaped like an owl from the aerial view? the owl on the dollar? the illuminati pyramid on the dollar? bush senior's 'new world order' speech on september 11th 1990? the twenty dollar bill folded like a plane that shows the towers on the front, and the pentagon on the back?

you have no clue of reality if you can blatanly ignore all these things. i suspect you're in on it though. a propoganda guy. what is it 24.50 an hour? pretty low wages to sell out your fellow man.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 12:47 AM
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Uh, BillyBob, 2000 was a election, not a takeover. The numerous recounts showed Dubya won. Get over it. We don't have dictators, we have constitutional elections.
There is no evidence of a "rape fest", and there is no evidence of any such activity being sanctioned by "higher ups".
This type of diatribe makes sensible discussion impossible.

You did say one thing that I can agree with, and that is Dubya's father and the 1,000 points of light speech with a call for a One or New World Order. It is certainly my belief that GHW Bush is not a good guy.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
You did say one thing that I can agree with, and that is Dubya's father and the 1,000 points of light speech with a call for a One or New World Order. It is certainly my belief that GHW Bush is not a good guy.


I think the acorn fell a good way from the tree in this case, would you agree? I did not like him much either.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 01:07 AM
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It is not only the U.S forces who are being accused of violations. British troops have been under investigation for killing civilians also,


From linked article
UK troops have killed Iraqi civilians including an eight-year-old girl when they were under no apparent threat, Amnesty International has claimed.
The human rights group claims in "many" cases the deaths of civilians caused by UK troops had not been investigated.

The families want the deaths declared a breach of the European Convention on Human Rights, but the UK Government says the convention does not apply in Iraq.

source


President Bush publicly apologised for the humiliation inflicted on prisoners but Tony Blair has remained awfully quiet. Let it also be stated that Donald Rumsfeld was forced to answer questions raised by the Senate Armed Sevices commitee as to his decision to withhold information about the abuses. source This definately sets a precedent for further cover ups.

So where does the buck stop. In the last election there was a great fuss made about Kerry's ability to take on the role of "commander in chief". Doubts were cast as to his ability to lead the armed forces of America. So if the President is the head of the forces, is it not he who is ultimately responsible for the forces?

It is said Saddam ordered the gassing of the Kurds(doubts have been raised) and this reason was used to remove him(after no WMD's were found) so can it not be said that as leader of the U.S armed forces Bush is personally responsible for any attrocities committed in Iraq as he was the one to order the invasion?

Is Bush concerned that he himself may be tried for war crimes?



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 01:39 AM
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Now the news is breaking in Britain. Republicans have finally come out and said it,



Republicans in the United States Congress have moved to block hundreds of millions of pounds in economic aid to foreign nations, unless they agree to shield American personnel and troops from any possible prosecution by the International Criminal Court.

Republicans are concerned that American personnel or even political leaders might find themselves dragged into politically motivated prosecutions before the ICC, an international court established by treaty in 1998 to hear cases of war crimes, genocide and other crimes against humanity.

Their move bars any aid flowing to a nation that is a party to the ICC, unless that country signs a so-called Article 98 agreement with Washington. Those agreements amount to a binding promise not to hand any American citizen accused of war crimes to the ICC.

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So the republicans are openly stating that they are concerned the leader of their party may be forced to face charges in relation to crimes. Is Rumsfeld sitting on some info that has yet to be disclosed?


From linked story
The clause inserted in Congress does contain a "national security" waiver that would allow President George W Bush to exempt key allies from the penalty


No wonder John Howard is sucking up like never before. He hopes George will come to his rescue.

What is more interesting is that originally U'S had signed up to be part of the ICC but Dubya cancelled citing the reason the court is "a body based in The Hague where unaccountable judges and prosecutors could pull our troops, our diplomats up for trial".

Only if they do something wrong George, so what are you worried about?



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 01:42 AM
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That isn't the concern we have. The concern is that many nations will try and use that court to attack the U.S.

Our government is hypocritical, just as all men and man-made organizations are, but there are those out there that are even much worse than ours.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 01:54 AM
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So after all the theoretical debates over the years, we finally find out that the pen is indeed mightier than the sword


Sorry Thomas, I just couldn't help myself



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 02:19 AM
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Huh? I missed that. The cold meds seem to make me a bit dull.

I'll appreciate it if the obvious barb-opening is left alone. That would be like shooting ducks in a pen!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 05:30 AM
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How we have forgotten history...Nazis have nothing to do with USA or any other country. Whoever says that USA has Nazi behaviour deserves to time travel to Germany at the 40's as a Jew....

USA does not kill people on the basis of their race.

USA does not have concentration camps. Guantanamo is not a concentration camp, although it violates several laws (that's why it is out of US soil).

USA does not burn people in furnaces.

USA has not form an SS-like agency that screens all people and all activities all the time. There is still freedom in USA, remember? you can even be a communist, if you like. No one will put you to prison for that.

USA does not do experiments on humans as Nazi did in order to create the superhuman Arian race.

USA does not gather together blond blue-eyed people and trains them to be the leaders of tomorrow.

So who ever says that USA = Nazi Germany is absolutely wrong. Of course, USA has its fair share of atrocities and problems, as everyone else. But it is a long way off to the absolute dictatorship that the Nazis were.

USA in fact is a whole different class of problems. USA causes problems in the world, like the recent report from State Department that the Great Alexander was not Greek, which is part of its diplomacy plan for controlling oil resources in order to kepp the American Dream(tm) alive.

So Turkey reacts to US, because Turkey knows US plans:

Turkey is about to be divided, and a separate Kurdish state will emerge.

The Kurdish state of course will be a protectorate of USA: it will have direct access to the Caspian Sea and oils, and will host big military US bases that are very important to US interests, in order to control the Middle East and the Saudi Arabia.

The 'secret' of dividing Turkey in half is no secret at all. It is being discussed for the last 20 years.

The recent recognition of 'Macedonia' as an indepentent state (and more importantly, culture) recently is one step towards the greater purpose of reshaping the whole greater area of Middle East and its surroundings towards serving US interests.

These plans have been laid out a long time ago, from the people that decided Israel must be re-created in the Middle East. Ask Kissinger, he knows.


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posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 06:30 AM
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How can a Nation that gave us Gilligans Island,The Addams Family,Lost in Space and The Beverly Hillbillies be a bunch of genocidal warmongering Nazis?
God Bless America.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 06:51 AM
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I dont know about nazi connection but i have to admit that todays hostality in usa against islamic/muslim people in middle east is looking terribly same as holocaus during 39-45. First you make your way to control the nation by political movement backing you up. Hitler had his socialist party, and u know whos daddy funded george. Then you make up a catastroph so the nation would be in anger against some minority group (in berlin they had a jew burning down the congress house, nyc you had plane full of towel heads crashing the twin towers)
After That you have a perfect reason to go and exterminate that minority and public is cheering until they realize that whole world is coming and they are pissed of. Todays world looks like a bad b-grade movie from the 80s and scary thing is that its real whats happening around us.
-ap



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Such a diatribe is completely unworthy of comment and to keep from being docked points I will end this sentence with a yawn.



Yeah genocide is sooo "old hat" for the US.. *YAWN*

they had to commit genocide just to get that little continent for themselves.


Hitle never crossed the ocean and wiped an entire continent clean just to make a new country... OK the nutter might have tried.


Whereas the US actually did it, is proud of it and COMPLETELY DENIES ANY WRONGDOING EVER! (Thanksgving anyone?)

[edit on 29/11/2004 by Corinthas]



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