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US in Iraq worse than Hitler

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posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 07:46 AM
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Quite frankly, who hasn't committed some form of 'genocide' for nationalistic reasons or motivations? :YAWN:
France?
UK?
Germany?
India?
Russia?
Spain?
Etc........





seekerof




posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 07:52 AM
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Seekerof just made the point... most old world countries are guilty, as are a lot of 3rd world countries and of course ALL new world countries (new world means stolen land, remember?) are guilty by definition!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 09:08 AM
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just finished reviewing this blogspot

these pics, presented by avowed, antiwar-ist

what i see, basically 50-50% of the iraqi and kurd dead;
50% dead as inflicted by US forces
50% dead, murdered-executed by ?freedom fighters?

you, interpet, investigate, decide...as you wish



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Don't be ignorant, Itwasn'tyou, Edit that extremely long quote down to size! You know better than that, you are ignoring the board laws!


Get it? Ignorant...ignoring!?!

Aw, I give up. Nobody ever gets it.


I get it!

Speaking of ignoring the "board rules", Thomas...I really enjopyed this quote from your earlier post, "Really, you piece of lying human excrement; civilian neighborhoods were the primary target of the U.S. Airforce? You'd better back that up with a source as that is a very serious charge, being they are animals and all. I'll wait for you to round up the source of that charge, as there are consequences to such an unsubstantiated charge.

Moku, I am aware that you are mentally challenged and very depraved, understanding little of truth and lie, and I am quite sure you beleve that words are nothing more than something for you to twist and wrp for your own need, but here's something for you to chew on: People aren't as dumb as you, and most aren't as vile as you. My knowledge of the atrocities commited by Turkey didn't come recently, I've known about it since I started at Sikorsky and talked to people who did aircraft work over there. Shoving people out of helicopters on a daily basis sounds a bit sick to me. That is only part of the insane acts, but that particular one strikes me as very offensive. However, you, being what you are, tried to twist what I said, and that was that one should be discerning when it comes to what information is given by what source. Elsewise one will either be fooled, or worse, one will intentionally prefer a lie over the truth - like you. You have them - lies, that is. For example, calling me a war-monger. I've served in the military, you little prick, and I have had the taste of a few bullets launched my way, you little evil coward, and I can tell you, I am no war monger. I don't want anyone to have to experience war, you stupid little puke. However, you spineless smelly turd, I don't like the thoughts of several thousand of my citizenfry getting blown up again, you frightfully odiferous cretin, so I realize that when someone declares war on you, you must kill or die. "


Calling someone a lying piece of excrement, mentally challenged, a little prick, evil little coward, stupid little puke and spinless smelly turd, nice.
Its interesting that the staff at ATS has managed to overlook these OBVIOUS infractions. Even after I notified them yesterday, too........
hmm.

I submit that TC's behavior has been noticed by other members as well. I think a thread was even started a couple of weeks back...too bad that guy got banned for use of threatening language. hmmm.

But no warning??? No edit...no other moderator stepped in to keep the sacred T&C's adhered to?!!

Shocked I am. Shocked

I've noticed that TC talks REAL tough on the internet...but I guess force and the threat of force are well substituted when a valid argument is lacking.

I've seen other members and MODERATORS banned for less, usually only if their politics was to the left though....hmmm. Colonel???

How about the "appearance" of neutrality from the staff at this site? At least for the sheep that click on the Google ad's and keep that money flowing.

Power corrupts, kittens.

Authority is an illusion in the mind of govenors - Lao Tse



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 01:54 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Quite frankly, who hasn't committed some form of 'genocide' for nationalistic reasons or motivations? :YAWN:
France?
UK?
Germany?
India?
Russia?
Spain?
Etc........





seekerof


oh, so it's 'ok', then.

go get'em, boys!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Quite frankly, who hasn't committed some form of 'genocide' for nationalistic reasons or motivations? :YAWN:
France?
UK?
Germany?
India?
Russia?
Spain?
Etc........



seekerof

yet how many of these old countries did it before 1945?
almost all.
now there is no one to charge for these crimes so nothing can be done yet the people that commit them now can be punished.
oh but using US gov logic the rules are meant to be broken so its a ok!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:49 PM
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masterp



USA does not have concentration camps. Guantanamo is not a concentration camp, although it violates several laws (that's why it is out of US soil).


As for the concentration camps there would be a few people who would dispute that statement , but that is a subject of a different thread.

Guantanamo is a good point. Holding "prisoners" indefinately without charge. Because it's not in America, thats O'K.
What of the transporting of prisoners to countries where torture is legal. Is that O'K too?



USA does not do experiments on humans as Nazi did in order to create the superhuman Arian race.


This may be true, but it is my understanding that after the war, the U'S was extremely eager to get hold of the results of those Nazi experiments.



USA has its fair share of atrocities and problems


So it's O'K to commit atrocities?

aape



dont know about nazi connection but i have to admit that todays hostality in usa against islamic/muslim people in middle east is looking terribly same as holocaus during 39-45


I can see some truth in that statement. It's getting to the point where all islamic/muslim are considered a threat.

St Udio



just finished reviewing this blogspot


Yes, that site does have some very graphic images. You might edit your post with a warning for those of us with weak stomachs.

When did Coalition forces start covering there faces while standing over dead civilians?



devilwasp



yet how many of these old countries did it before 1945?
almost all.
now there is no one to charge for these crimes so nothing can be done yet the people that commit them now can be punished.


I remember them chasing Nazi war criminals for decades after the war right up till the early nineties, I believe.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:51 PM
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And Korea, how long ago was that?

I don't believe any of the garbage dredged up about Vietnam as there have been so many liars like Kerry, who can tell the truth? I do know many Vietnam vets, and to the last man, they are all good people of character and honor. The likes of Kerry and his fairy band of liars have no business attempting to soil their memory and their respect.

Are their any mainstream media accounts of war crimes in Iraq? It is very obvious that our mainstream media can't farkin' wait to piss on the soldiers, so you know if there has been any, they will be Johnny on the spot to cover it.


dh

posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Quite frankly, who hasn't committed some form of 'genocide' for nationalistic reasons or motivations? :YAWN:
France?
UK?
Germany?
India?
Russia?
Spain?
Etc........





seekerof



Yes, this is the way it's always been done
The slaughter of thousands, millions over the generations, mostly by the white race over the 'inferior' people of colour
Britain the worst of the genocidal maniacs on the whole, though other nations listed have reached dizzying heights of slaughter
Still, people are waking up to this method of concentration of wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands, especially in the predominanatly white nations, and are becoming well aware that they too are targets of this murderous methodology
It falls on the at least fairly comfortable white populace of the Western nations the most onerous task of risking their own comfort and stability in overthrowing of the debauched and sick-minded crew currently at the helm of this striving to complete a totally centralised and controlled corporate global order
It requires an alignment with those poor gooks out there fighting back against their stooge governance participating in the death dance as choreographed from the Pentagon and Temple Bar
We are all target, somewhere down the hit list, below the Somalian peasant, the Hamas -controlled, always controlled from a purpose contrary to their own desires - suicide bomber, the coca or opium grower - always controlled by some world mafia/governmental interest//intelligence link organisation. We are all the ultimate target for their EMF/fear modulated control structure
Beat down Babylon!



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 05:56 PM
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Really, you piece of lying human excrement; civilian neighborhoods were the primary target of the U.S. Airforce? You'd better back that up with a source as that is a very serious charge, being they are animals and all. I'll wait for you to round up the source of that charge, as there are consequences to such an unsubstantiated charge.



What consequences are those Thomas? That sounds like a threat. "Piece of lying human exrement"??You are supposedly a moderator on this forum. You make me sick. You casually spew off insults such as "weak knee'd liberal" as though it was nothing. Do you not even hear the BS that spews forth from your mouth? Just because you choose FOX News as your Bible, don't you EVER threaten someone else's opinion especially when it is the opinion of close to half your own countries, and the rest of the world. One other thing, if you believe only 4000 civilians have been killed in Iraq, then you are a blind fool. There are more bodies lying on the streets rotting there right now.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 06:38 PM
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LogansRun,

Your post is off topic. If you want to complain about something please use the appropriate channels, thanks.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 06:44 PM
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I think to put this whole thing in perspective, we should look to the past to see what was actually said. The following statements are taken from the web site of the Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard.


By Tony Blair
We did not want this war. But in refusing to give up his Weapons of Mass Destruction, Saddam gave us no choice but to act. Now the war has begun, it will be seen through to the end. We will continue to do all we can to avoid civilian casualties. Our enemy is Saddam and his regime; not the Iraqi people. Our forces are friends and liberators of the Iraqi people, not your conquerors. They will not stay a day longer than is necessary.

Our aim is to help alleviate immediate humanitarian suffering.



Well the truth to the matter was that there were no WMD's so there was in fact a choice. Hans Blix was adamant that Saddam was telling the truth, for once. The "enemy" Saddam has been captured and his political party disbanded. If the Iraqi citizens are not the enemy why the hell are there still so many bombs being dropped in Iraq?

If the coalition truly wanted to "alleviate immediate humanitarian suffering", why has aid to citizens been continually blocked by the military?


From linked article
Red Cross Denied Access to PoWs

The United States is illegally holding thousands of Iraqi prisoners of war and other captives without access to human rights officials at compounds close to Baghdad airport,

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From linked article
Nov. 18: Without good intelligence, the massive firepower that was unleashed on Fallujah last week against the insurgents put the entire city at risk. We believe that more than 50,000 residents remained in the city during the offensive. Eyewitness reports have testified to the deaths of many non-combatants, including women and children, as a result of shrapnel or bombs aimed at killing insurgents. EPIC is concerned about these reports and the lack of access to Fallujah by humanitarian agencies, including the Red Crescent

source


And this quote from the PM's site,


By George Bush
American and coalition forces are now operating inside Baghdad and we will not stop until Saddams corrupt gang is gone.

Coalition forces will help maintain law and order, so that Iraqis can live in security.

The United States and its coalition partners respect the people of Iraq. We are taking unprecedented measures to spare the lives of innocent Iraqi citizens, and are beginning to deliver food, water and medicine to those in need. Our only enemy is Saddams brutal regime and that regime is your enemy as well



Mr Bush, Saddams corrupt gang is gone. It is time to stop.

It also appears you are failing miserably in maintaining law and order,


From linked article
SHOT, stabbed, blown up,burnt: the bodies of Iraqis killed in Baghdad lie piled in overcrowded refrigerators at the citys central mortuary, their ever-increasing number overwhelming both staff and storage space in a wave that marks the citys descent into a Hobbesian world of crime and brutality.

Dr Hassan said, And it could have been so easy for the Americans. Why did they disband the army and police last year and allow those weapons and munitions to pour into the hands of criminals in our streets? Why did they leave us for a year with no national army and police? I dont know. Now we all suffer them and us. Am I depressed? All the time.

source


Delivering food and water? Making it harder to access would be a more accurate statement.


From linked article

Food is in short supply and the shops are all closed in anticipation of the looming attack

Electricity is cut off because of damage to the main power station from the bombardment. The water supply has been cut off too. The roads are now heavily cratered.

People, particularly children and women, tend to stay at home, fearing being mistaken for a military target.

source


So how can all this not be regarded as one big massive crime?

This war is no longer being waged against an oppressive regime. This is now a war against a civilian population.


dh

posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 06:53 PM
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So how can all this not be regarded as one big massive crime?

This war is no longer being waged against an oppressive regime. This is now a war against a civilian population.




Yeah - and the main target for this massive crime is you and me
We're the civilian population being subject to this war spectacle
By an ultra-repressive regime



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by WisdomMaster
Well let me tell you that the Bush administration not only has committed a genocide in Iraq (and other palces), it behaved like Hitler in Guantanamo (and other palces), but it is also after building the new Roman empire. Also the bad thing is that most of the Americans think just like Mr. Bush!


Honsetly I have not seen any genocide as you call it in Iraq. Would you care to point out each and every event where genocide has taken place in Iraq, or other countries for that matter? I did not think so. Honestly I am not overly fond of Bush, however he is one hell of a lot better then al quieda (sp?) or the other muslim reglions at this point in time. No one is perfiect and that includes all of us and did I mention al quieda?

But Hey I am not looking for a virgin, I am looking for a simple and happy life. Is that too much to ask for?

[edit on 11/29/2004 by shots]


dh

posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by shots
But Hey I am not looking for a virgin, I am looking for a simple and happy life. Is that too much to ask for?

[edit on 11/29/2004 by shots]

Yes - you wont get it - whatever you want, they are after your tail
Better to stand up

[edit on 29-11-2004 by dh]



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 08:50 PM
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What is this? Attack the conservative thread?


No concentration camps? There went any credibility you had.


As for GitMO, concentration camp? Do you really believe that? What would you have us do? Disarm and give up? That is what you are after you know.


These anti-war people live in a dream world with no concept of reality whatsoever, they never acknowledge a threat until they are facing it PERSONALLY.

Folks, the US was attacked and Bin Ladin , Osama that is, was VERY specific on what he would do and that American civilians are a target.

It is the job of your government to protect you even if the public or certain members of it are to stupid to see the threat.

Go read his declaration of war against the United States, go freaking read it.

We will not cower to it, and to compare us to Nazi's is just plain stupid.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 08:59 PM
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Esinger, now please don't take this as being rude but go back and read the thread. We are not comparing U.S to Nazi's but simply discussing the validity of accusations that the U.S has committed war crimes in Iraq.

I think you admitted in another thread that Al Quaeda had no ties to Iraq so please do not try to cloud the issue.



posted on Nov, 29 2004 @ 10:55 PM
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News Breaking


From linked article
Lawyers acting for a U.S. advocacy group will file war crimes charges in Germany against senior U.S. administration officials for their alleged role in torture at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq.

The charges, which will be filed Tuesday, name Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, former Central Intelligence Agency director George Tenet, the former leading U.S. general in Iraq Ricardo Sanchez and seven other officials, according to a German newspaper.

They accuse the United States of knowingly committing war crimes, as well as violations of international law and UN conventions. Because the U.S. does not recognize the international criminal court, the group decided to use national criminal law in Germany, which allows war criminals to be investigated wherever they may be living.

source


How this will pan out is anyones guess. It just shows the increasing disapproval of actions in Iraq.....

On a different note, British MP's give Blair a roasting,


from linked article
News that President George W. Bush has sanctioned the use of napalm, a deadly cocktail of polystyrene and jet fuel banned by the United Nations in 1980, will stun governments around the world.

And last night Tony Blair was dragged into the row as furious Labour MPs demanded he face the Commons over it. Reports claim that innocent civilians have died in napalm attacks, which turn victims into human fireballs as the gel bonds flames to flesh.

Outraged critics have also demanded that Mr Blair threatens to withdraw British troops from Iraq unless the US abandons one of the world's most reviled weapons. Halifax Labour MP Alice Mahon said: "I am calling on Mr Blair to make an emergency statement to the Commons to explain why this is happening. It begs the question: 'Did we know about this hideous weapon's use in Iraq?'"

Last August the US was forced to admit using the gas in Iraq.

source

Mr Bush seems to be making more and more friends everyday!



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by edsinger
These anti-war people live in a dream world with no concept of reality whatsoever, they never acknowledge a threat until they are facing it PERSONALLY.

Folks, the US was attacked and Bin Ladin , Osama that is, was VERY specific on what he would do and that American civilians are a target.


We will not cower to it, and to compare us to Nazi's is just plain stupid.


bin laden's not in iraq, ed. iraqi civilians have absolutely nothing to do with 911. the constant use of the images of 911 as an excuse to stomp all over the globe, carte blanche, spending ENORMOUS amounts of money on the war machine(all passing through nepotistic channels).
the saudi, bin laden, is bush's business partner. do a search on 'tim osman'.
it is war-wongers that are the real murderers, ed. you heartily support the murder and maiming of innocents. it seems to make you warm and fuzzy inside thinking of the napalm burning those evil bin laden, ....uh, i mean saddam, .....uh...oh right, saddam's gone(well one of his doubles, anyway).... it's those evil starving, thirsty, bombed out, poor as dirt, innocent iraqi people who are the big threat to ed singer. their comin' to get you, ed.
there's a red under your bed, and there's a little yellow man in your head.
you're not goin' crazy, you're just a little sad, 'cause there's a man in ya, gnawin' ya,
....paranoia, big destroyer.

america is clinically insane. (no offense to the individuals, it's a purely collective madness)
to compare it to pre-war germany is astute. to simply follow the bloodlines of the nazi's backers is to arrive in bushland.
do a google search on it, folks. you will find the net full of great parallels of the rise of fascism in germany, and the rise of fascism in america.

they're baaaaaack.



posted on Nov, 30 2004 @ 02:45 AM
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Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
Uh, BillyBob, 2000 was a election, not a takeover. The numerous recounts showed Dubya won. Get over it. We don't have dictators, we have constitutional elections.
There is no evidence of a "rape fest", and there is no evidence of any such activity being sanctioned by "higher ups".
This type of diatribe makes sensible discussion impossible.

You did say one thing that I can agree with, and that is Dubya's father and the 1,000 points of light speech with a call for a One or New World Order. It is certainly my belief that GHW Bush is not a good guy.


abu gharib? not a rape fest? okay, let's just burn the issue of rolling stone that describes the rape fest. we'll have to scour every computer on the net to get rid of all the leaked images of the rape fest.
here's the definition of rape fest(it's my phrase); making people get naked and sticking things or organs into their orifices, and terrorizing them with dogs and blows.
'get over it'. this stock phrase is used almost every single time someone quesions the accuracy of the election(s). i think a lot of the dead people who voted republican, would have voted democrat if they were still alive. pretty weird that at the polling station where the riot was, all the people who are angriest and at the front of the crowd were all semi famous republicans. there's a picture on the net somewhere(i haven't seen it in three yrs., so i don't know if it's disappeared) of the crowd and it identifies TEN people at the front. both elections were stolen, by the bush regime, and 911 was the brotherhood of death, the skull and bones, in action.
the florida election, -jeb bush was the governor.
911 -marvin bush was the head of security for the WTC towers(so, he could have easily arranged for bombs to be planted)
2004 election, -voting machines are hacked to give a seemingly narrow(less suspicious) victory for bush.
did you read the latest at blackboxvoting.org? quite the fiasco in florida! dem votes falling out of a garbage bag ripped open during a tug of war!?
get over it.
no, i won't 'get over it'. maybe you shouldn't, either. maybe you should realise it's possible, there was lots of evidence to raise that to probable, and it may yet be proven by a few patriots.

i'm glad we can agree about bush senior.
the acorn never fell off the tree.
this IS the NWO.




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