Are you a psychological rapist?

reply to post by yourignoranceisbliss


This doesn't make sense of course women should be able to walk around without being molested, as should men.
Your argument is that men have always abused women and we should just accept it.
But we didn't accept forced marriages, or women not having the vote, or beating your wife and children being legal.
We should always fight for social justice, and against those who think might equals right.

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

We may have a ways to go, but we will never get there. We will always have a ways to go. No amount of legal maneuvering will ever change what is in the hearts of people. That is why i have said "be the change you want to see". Raise your boys to respect women and men. Not as "equals", because the concepts of "equal" indicates that the notion of "unequal" exists.

I think that the legal maneuvering has saved more than one person their job. I wish I had had that protection when first entering the work place. But you are correct in that the legal, civil system alone will not remedy the problem.

I am a bit more optimistic than you, in that I can imagine a world where men and women work together, and bring back the balance that has been absent from humanity for so long.

My perspective has changed and matured, I see a person that over powers as being spiritually, and emotionally weak. And political correctness has been injected into our society for the purpose of keeping us divided. I am about the least politically correct person you would ever meet.

And as far as women playing football...why not? If there is a woman out there that can compete with that kind of brutal brawn, more power to her, but she needs to qualify, not have some politicians pet peeve pave an easy way.

yourignoranceisbliss

Witness2008
reply to post by boncho

 

Have you ever been the recipient of this type of unwanted attention?

I have, and it is fairly uncomfortable most times and down right frightening at other times.

Welcome to the real world. If it frightens you, make sure you don't step foot outside ever again. You might have to deal with *gasp* real people! The horror!

American Feminism has quickly degraded into a mental illness on par with paranoid schizophrenia. Seriously, look at the parallels.

It's not just American femenism...welcome to the UK and MILLIE

tigertatzen

Amazing what an edumication gets you these days. Make sure not to breath heavy or show interest in women, because you might be a rapist. Oddly enough, if you're at a bar, and a girl likes you, she might be mad you're not doing one or two of these… Must be the alcohol.

reply to post by boncho

 

I wrote an essay on this very subject in college. Unless you are a woman and have been subjected to this type of behavior, please refrain from mocking things like this. That kind of crap can be downright scary. I don't own a vehicle and I walk everywhere or take the bus. I can tell you that this happens to me a lot, and it is never welcome. I am very good at taking care of myself but the reality is, I am a 117 lb. woman and if someone decided to attack me and they had me cornered, they might just get me. And some of the guys out there act like they just might. I carry four rolls of quarters in the bottom of my bag at all times just in case i need to drop someone with them...have for years.

At the very least, I find that behavior to be disgusting. Why would you breathe heavy in the general direction of a woman you don't know? I guess if you want her to think you're some revolting mouth-breather that would work. Whistling, catcalling, "hey baby"-ing, blowing kisses, staring a woman up and down, and my personal favorite...honking the horn in your car while a woman is walking down the street; all of those behaviors are the last thing that makes me go "oooh, i really want to hook up with that guy!" But the reason they refer to it as "psychological rape" is that it is just as degrading as someone putting their hands on you or pinching/grabbing your ass (i once knocked a man's molar out for that), or rubbing up against you...only without actually touching you. Why should any woman have to endure that kind of thing whenever she goes out in public? The answer to that is: she shouldn't have to.

Did your essay mention how women "creep" men by stalking them around stores and attempt to hide their own acts of "rape" on men they find attractive?

It has been my experience where some women/men have engaged in the cat calling behavior you speak of which can be unnerving but I going to the extreme of calling them "rapists" because of your own response is outrageous. I have seen women who associate with feminist circles stalk men and eye-"rape" them, but claim that it is okay because the guy didn't find out.

It ultimately comes down to you being upset at your own responses to your perception of what others are thinking/doing.

Gender studies is quickly becoming a joke as all their brainwashed zombies now have to leave college and enter the real world, to actually support themselves, in which they cannot bully others into their line of thinking because they have lost the authoritative power of college administration.

Just look at the statements of that clown from Haaarvaarddd who majored in gender studies and was calling for an end of freedom of speech.

-FBB

reply to post by tigertatzen


This is the first post you made that makes sense to me. Because you are finally distinguishing the differences.

The problem with the college page is that it doesn't.

reply to post by Witness2008


The world will remain divided. It benefits our masters.

RE: the NFL...sure. I don't care the race/gender/sexuality of the athlete. Only the ability. But a woman capable of competing in that kind of environment....would be quite unique.

But,i personally don't like it.

LadySkadi
Watering down Rape by throwing it out there for every deed that may make soemone uncomfortable or is demeaning... if nothing else, you'd think the Feminist groups would have figured that out by now.

You would think, but no.

I can't tell you how many arguments I've been in, saying that crap like this waters down actual rape. I usually get called all manner of names you could imagine, but they just don't get it.

A woman getting violently beaten and forcibly penetrated

A 16 year old girl willingly and happily sleeping with a 20 year old

A woman walking down the street and some guy looks at her.

Yeah, SURE, those are all equally bad. We should name them all the same. What a crock!

twfau
Why does it assume only men do this? Completely sexist!

Because men are nothing more than machines of rape and tortue.

Women are nothing but helpless victims, who never do anything bad. If a woman hits you, you probably deserve it. If a woman argues with you, you are wrong. If you feel uncomfortable you're being a whiner, if a woman feels uncomfortable you are a rapist.

That is the ideal being ground into every school age boy out there today, what type of damage do you think it's doing to them?

How do you think it feels as an adult man to get dirty looks, ignored, etc when I try to be friendly and simply say "hi" to people I walk across on the street? That everything you do is instantly twisted into something rape or "mind rape" related. I'm not just a guy out for a walk, I'm a guy out to RAPE YOU, and if that bothers me that you think that way, it's my fault for being such a big scary man.

Seriously, do any of these women have sons? Brothers? Fathers? Do they not see the damage this is doing to them? Are they so damaged from bad relationships with men they cannot fathom that most men aren't rapists or mind rapists?

WilsonWilson
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

We live in a society that encourages men to objectify women. To dehumanise them. So I would agree tackling and talking about these issues at school would help.

Oh come on, that tired line wore out years ago...

Men are objectified in this country just as much as women. There are male strippers, male prostitutes (the guys pay extra for em) pretty-boys being plastered over every TV show, movie, magazine, and poster.

So men being exposed to other men's perfect 6-pack, bulging biceps, and 3% body fat is OK

Yet women being shown in the same manner (accordingly) is bad. Even though there are countless programs and places that exist specifically to promote the idea that you are OK regardless of what you look like, as long as you are a woman. If you are a man, look at all the fit muscle men, if that gives you body issues, tough luck, your a dude, deal with it.

I got it. I guess I shouldn't expect anything other than double standards and hypocrisy from such a crowd.

WilsonWilson
reply to post by Soloprotocol

 

It's erotic literature for women, why shouldn't women enjoy it? We are allowed to be sexual without being raped.
But how about you stop buying porn and there would be no market for it.
The whole I can't stop myself from buying porn is a weird argument for a man to make, if you can't control what you buy that is an addiction.

Do you honestly not see your blaring hypocrisy?

Women can read erotic literature, why shouldn't they?

Mean should stop looking at porn.

You get turned on by a book, a man gets turned on by a video. You do not have the right to judge how someone gets turned on, as long as they aren't doing anything to someone against their will, period.

WilsonWilson
reply to post by ketsuko

 

I don't believe are being taught to behave like men, we are being taught that there is nothing wrong with being sexual, that we are not dirty because we have the same sexual urges as men. Getting rid of double standard used to control women's sexuality.
I do think there is an issue with promiscuity but from the viewpoint that it does lead people to have no concern with people only sex. Sex should be a means of sharing with others not taking what you want.
Rape is about taking what you want. Having power over another.
Wearing a short skirt and liking sex does not give anybody the right to rape you.
Trying to link women who act that way and being raped is trying to take the focus and blame set from the man and place it on the woman.

Wearing a short skirt does not give anyone the right to rape you, no.

Why did you say that? Did anyone in this thread suggest such a thing? no.

If a woman wears a short skirt, and goes out into public, don't complain about getting looked at. If I go out in public with a bananna in my pants, people will stare at my crotch. That's life.

Nobody has the right to touch you, or harass you, but you don't have the right to walk around public without getting looked at either, nobody does, man or woman.

James1982

WilsonWilson
reply to post by ketsuko

 

I don't believe are being taught to behave like men, we are being taught that there is nothing wrong with being sexual, that we are not dirty because we have the same sexual urges as men. Getting rid of double standard used to control women's sexuality.
I do think there is an issue with promiscuity but from the viewpoint that it does lead people to have no concern with people only sex. Sex should be a means of sharing with others not taking what you want.
Rape is about taking what you want. Having power over another.
Wearing a short skirt and liking sex does not give anybody the right to rape you.
Trying to link women who act that way and being raped is trying to take the focus and blame set from the man and place it on the woman.

Wearing a short skirt does not give anyone the right to rape you, no.

Why did you say that? Did anyone in this thread suggest such a thing? no.

If a woman wears a short skirt, and goes out into public, don't complain about getting looked at. If I go out in public with a bananna in my pants, people will stare at my crotch. That's life.

Nobody has the right to touch you, or harass you, but you don't have the right to walk around public without getting looked at either, nobody does, man or woman.

there's a differnce to being looked at cos you have done something odd, compared to constantly being ogled and objectified an under the threat of violence.

Mister_Bit
I just wish people could separate the words "MEN" and "rapists"...

Rapists are criminals, violent aberrations and very much in the minority thankfully... these are dangerous criminals with mental problems..

Men are men, they act normally and treat others with respect.

Some men behave inappropriately, that is true but not all men, BUT even then, behaving inappropriately and raping are a gulf apart.

It really angers me that now, I feel, I have cross the road when walking down the road at night when a woman is on my side of the road purely to not be accused of being some kind of mad rapist.

I know exactly what you mean with that last statement. It sucks. It makes me feel sick to my stomach. I have to do everything in my power to prove I'm not a rapist just because I'm a big scary looking man. That's messed up, I don't care how you look at it.

The language used specifically tries to make people associate men with rapists, and the fallout from that shows every single day in public.

Sexual issues is the ONLY area where this is acceptable, btw.

Draw a parallel to race issues, and these people would quickly change their tune. A woman's justification for treating every man like a rapist is because men are more likely to rape, based on statistics. Also based on statistics black people are more likely to commit crimes. Do we think it's OK to treat all black people like they are criminals simply because a small minority of them commit crimes (just like all other races)

Of course not. That type of thinking would be torn down and attacked by the same people promoting the idea that all men are rapists by nature. These are the same agenda pushers that have different sets of rules for different sets of people.

Cathcart

Witness2008
reply to post by boncho

 

Have you ever been the recipient of this type of unwanted attention?

I have, and it is fairly uncomfortable most times and down right frightening at other times.

Yes, I have. It even went as far as suggestive touching. And I've seen plenty of men get the same type of attention, and much more, in public spaces. I see it all the time. It is quite annoying and uncomfortable. But no one is calling it "psychological rape" since it was done by women. Because men apparently can't say no or something.

Many women seem to think it's only men that use positions of authority over their subordinates of the opposite sex. I've encountered my fair share of sexual behavior at the hands of both general office women, as well as several different female managers. It's not a male trait, it's a human trait of bad people to take advantage of others, it doesn't matter what gender you are.

ketsuko

WilsonWilson
reply to post by Mister_Bit

 

It shouldn't be so you don't get accused, it should be so you know you don't cause her fear. It's not her fault we live in violent times where you have to worry about walking alone in the dark.
I'm a woman but even I feel weird walking behind someone in the dark.

If everything a man does causes you fear ... maybe you need to re-examine yourself.

As a woman who prefers the company of men to women, I can honestly say that I've only ever been on the receiving end of attention that made me genuinely uncomfortably once in my life.

Oh, and I used to walk in the dark on campus, too.

Most men are absolutely great critters once you get to know them.

But I also know there are feminists who now consider even consensual, penetrative sex to be rape, if that gives you any clues about how far off the rails this has gone. I mean, in their eyes, any sex that has the potential to cause great harm or risk life and limb is rape. And since penetrative sex has one purpose - pregnancy - and the vagina has one purpose - to expel a child during childbirth - the act of being penetrated is violent and the act of childbirth can kill you, sooo, no matter what ... it's ALWAYS rape!

Thank you so much for posting. Not only to let me know again there are women out there that don't hate men simply for having a penis, but also to show the other women in this thread that all us guys posting aren't just sexist idiots, there are plenty of women that like us (I'm grateful every day for the ones in my life!)

WilsonWilson
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

 

It wouldn't happen, but if you're obviously hoping to gain something by saying it would.

Yes, it would, and it has. There are countless women who have said that women are just as strong as men, they can do anything a man can do.

Well guess what, if you can do anything a man can do, you can rape too. Can't have it both ways.

taoistguy

James1982

WilsonWilson
reply to post by ketsuko

 

I don't believe are being taught to behave like men, we are being taught that there is nothing wrong with being sexual, that we are not dirty because we have the same sexual urges as men. Getting rid of double standard used to control women's sexuality.
I do think there is an issue with promiscuity but from the viewpoint that it does lead people to have no concern with people only sex. Sex should be a means of sharing with others not taking what you want.
Rape is about taking what you want. Having power over another.
Wearing a short skirt and liking sex does not give anybody the right to rape you.
Trying to link women who act that way and being raped is trying to take the focus and blame set from the man and place it on the woman.

Wearing a short skirt does not give anyone the right to rape you, no.

Why did you say that? Did anyone in this thread suggest such a thing? no.

If a woman wears a short skirt, and goes out into public, don't complain about getting looked at. If I go out in public with a bananna in my pants, people will stare at my crotch. That's life.

Nobody has the right to touch you, or harass you, but you don't have the right to walk around public without getting looked at either, nobody does, man or woman.

there's a differnce to being looked at cos you have done something odd, compared to constantly being ogled and objectified an under the threat of violence.

What does "under the threat of violence" mean?

A man has the physical ability to overpower a woman, therefore it's assumed he will exercise that ability?

Do I have the same rights, if my girlfriend is cooking dinner and has a big knife in her hand? She has the physical ability, therefore I assume she will use it. Got it. Next time that happens I'll make sure to call 911 and report that I'm being raped.

Double standards are a fascinating phenomenon and they ring very true when it comes to what is acceptable in male and female sexuality. For example, I can think of several occasions where female superiors at work have spoken inappropriately, colleagues have touched me unnecessarily, and customers have made comments that I am "cute" and touched me unnecessarily. Now the argument would be that I am male and thus "like" being touched by female colleagues/customers, and that their reasons for touching me were non-sexually motivated.

Regardless, if I were female and these things had happened, I would be encouraged to report my superiors and colleagues, would be given paid sick leave for the "mental anguish" I have suffered, and my actions would force non-implicated male colleagues to attend seminars about treating women with respect.

reply to post by Mister_Bit


I agree please don't fear men. 90% of all men would drop everything on the street if they saw a women getting mugged, harassed, assaulted and protect you in an instant. In most cases being around a lot of men is your best protection from a predatory male. I've chased a dude down the street that mugged a women in front of my own apartment at 5 in the afternoon. Punched her in the head and ran off with her purse. Me and another guy who happened to be riding his bike a block away gave chase. We cornered him in an apartment complex a block or so from where he did the mugging/assault and covered the entrances so that he couldn't make a break for it. Called the cops. Gave the cops a very good description. Called another friend who lived in my apartment to go find the girl, she was still where the assault took place and console her until the cops got there and to let her know that they were indeed on their way and that she was safe now.

Guess what. The cops searched the building and found the guy. He had run back to his own apartment like an idiot who goes around assaulting and mugging women. Guess who ratted him out when the cops arrived. His daughter. The dude went to jail.

So please don't fear men. It's ingrained and a part of most men to protect women. Its part of what we do. So please don't think most men are a threat. They are not. Most of them are worried about the fact you are walking alone at night. Not thinking of how they are going to assault you.

One thing I can tell you though as someone who teaches self defense at the local park to a few students. 90% of the time someone is jumped, ambushed or mugged on the street, male or female. Is because they aren't paying attention. Its still a jungle out there. You don't walk thoughtlessly around. You pay attention. Every time someone is assaulted there are pre incidence indicators. Every time. You either failed to notice them or ignored them. For instance the girl I helped that day was walking carefree absorbed in some texting conversation and didn't even see the situation she had put herself into. She was walking past a shutdown construction zone with no lighting, not watching her environment. Its still no excuse that somebody else decided to take advantage of that and assault her. Thats on the man who assaulted her for being a sociopath. But she also failed to have any feduciary responsibility to herself and keep herself aware of her environment. THis is exactly how most men are jumped and ambushed too. So don't think I'm directing this exclusively at women. Just a reality check. Assault is usually a cocktail of contingencies. Part of the recipe is often the victims addition. Still no excuse for the muggers behavior but it is what it is and thats the reality. Wish it wasn't.

But I too have had to hold up, cross the street, go out of my way to walk all dopey and friendly so that the woman I'm passing doesn't feel threatened by the mere fact that a man is walking past. I wish it weren't so. Cause I;m probably that womens best hope if she gets attacked within earshot of me.