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Originally posted by SilentKillah
Originally posted by seabag
My main beef is that I don’t want Obamacare. I REALLY don’t want Obamacare to include abortion and contraception coverage for ANYONE because I'm pro-life and don't think the government should be holding people's hands.
My main beef is that people think that they can meddle in my affairs. I have 3 kids. My wife has had her tubes tied to prevent pregnancy. If she gets pregnant again and we don't want to keep it, that's my freaking choice... not yours.
But I guess you'd rather for your tax dollars to go toward the child living in a foster home for who knows how long in hopes of being adopted.
Furthermore the child being picked on and having low self esteem causing her to do drugs, get pregnant, give her child up, not do well in school, seek welfare upon turning 18 etc. Yep... that makes much more since.
My business is not your business... no matter how you try to think of it.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
For "pro-choicers" who advocate murder, ask yourselves where would you be today if your mother decided to snuff you out in the womb? All that you have become, all that you have learned and experienced, your first love, your first kiss, your first car, your first date, your first day at college, your first (and hopefully last) wedding. These are the things you deny future generations when you advocate murdering them in the womb.
Originally posted by Superabound
But for all you "anti-choicers", ask yourselves this: where would the world be today if Hitler had been aborted? Think of all the lives that would have saved.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
While you claim that your business is nobody else's, you seem quite comfortable telling people they should be willing to pay an extra 5 bucks insurance to pay for your contraception, or somebody else's. Really, at a time when many people cannot afford premiums at all, how dare you suggest we should all pay more for you.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
And by the way, your idea that we should all be willing to pay more because it's just going to rise anyway because of ozone depletion is just a crazy and mixed up perception. Paying an extra 5 dollars for people's contraceptives is fairly concrete, but for health insurance to go up over ozone depletion(I'm assuming you are referring to higher incidences of skin cancer) is not nearly as concrete and somehow the idea we should pay for one extra concrete thing because some not so concrete thing is going to cause insurance rates to go up, so heck we should just pay more all around... yah that is so logical...edit on 12-3-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Under Water
Ummm, yeah. Go to a foster home and ask the kids if they would like to be killed today rather than stay in foster care. I doubt any will go for it.
I agree except for when it endangers someone else. Why do unborns have no human rights? Because people are diluting themselves into thinking they aren't human, yet. But they are. That is our young we are killing. We should be ashamed of this time in our history! If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged for 2 counts. Yet it's ok murder babies if it's inconvenient to the mom? Really? There is a double standard here. Our laws make no moral sense.
Talk to an abortion survivor. They have the most beautiful outlook on life, they are thankful every day they are here, because they almost had it taken away.
Originally posted by popsmayhem
What if George Washington
or Thomas Edison were aborted
would we have the USA or a light bulb
THANK GOD THEY WERE NOT!!
Bad argument there
Originally posted by SilentKillah
I bet you pay a cable bill each month and I bet you don't watch all of the stations that are offered either. Yet... you somehow don't complain about the $30 some odd dollars that you could be saving off of your cable bill if they would just rid of stations that you don't watch. Yet people can't have additional coverages in health insurance because you wouldn't use them. And they say that Pro Choicers are selfish.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by seabag
It’s about abortion or no abortion. If a religion can’t be involved in issues of life, death and morality then what are they supposed to do, remain silent??
No, they don't have to be silent...they can tell their parishoners what the religous stance on the issue is.
What they can't do is try to lobby the government to influence the laws of the country.
I'm personally a pro-life person, I would love to see the law change to make abortion murder...but it isn't the Church's place to try to lobby for laws...in fact that is one of the things that should make them lose their exempt status.
Originally posted by Under Water
Wow, so when your parents are elderly and you don't want to bother with them, are you going to kill them too? Or if one of your kids becomes more trouble than they are worth, you going to kill that one as well? I mean, it's your freaking choice right?
Originally posted by Under Water
Ummm, yeah. Go to a foster home and ask the kids if they would like to be killed today rather than stay in foster care. I doubt any will go for it.
Originally posted by Under Water
Hahahahahaha!!!
Oh wait, you were actually being serious? Generalize much?
Trust me, there are many kids who fit that discription who have both their parents at home with them, my baby sis being one of them. And there have been plenty of foster kids that have grown up to become wonderful people and function members of society. Many of whom are greatful every day for their lives and that they had a chance to have a life because their mom choose to give them up rather than abort them. Maybe you should go talk to one.
Originally posted by Under Water
I agree except for when it endangers someone else. Why do unborns have no human rights? Because people are diluting themselves into thinking they aren't human, yet. But they are. That is our young we are killing. We should be ashamed of this time in our history! If a pregnant woman is murdered, the murderer is charged for 2 counts. Yet it's ok murder babies if it's inconvenient to the mom? Really? There is a double standard here. Our laws make no moral sense.
Talk to an abortion survivor. They have the most beautiful outlook on life, they are thankful every day they are here, because they almost had it taken away.
why do you think religeous groups should not be allowed to lobby government?
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
No I don't think it should be tax payer funded, however I would rather people used contraceptives then had abortions.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by SilentKillah
No, you told us here that we should be willing to pay the extra 5 bucks. And you also said our premiums were going to rise due to the ozone depletion. You must be a crystal ball gazer too in addition to having many catfish poles dangling in the water.
What is the difference if it is you or someone else we are talking about here? Extra 10,000 in taxes? Well, wouldn't that also depend on my income? Oh wait, POTUS is raising everyone's taxes regardless of contraception. I've talked about rising inflation. Now you are trying to tell me I don't deserve to have my cable connection unless I also pay for someone else's frikken contraception? You are just engaging in a dialogue in relativity.
Why do sickly or weakly born animals who are killed immediately after birth not have right to life?
You are exactly right... there are many foster children that have grown to be successful. Unfortunately my DIRECT experiences have shown otherwise.
News flash... my elderly parents aren't living INSIDE of my wife.
Speaking of "double standards", why arent those abortion survivors mothers arrested and thrown in jail for attempted murder?
Ok, so if you ask a kid if he wants to be killed and he says no, that means you shouldnt kill them. So if you ask a fetus if it wants to be killed, and it doesnt say no, i guess that means its ok right?
Id be nowhere, and i wouldnt even miss it because i would have never even taken my first breath or made my first memory. I also never would have suffered.
But for all you "anti-choicers", ask yourselves this: where would the world be today if Hitler had been aborted? Think of all the lives that would have saved.