Atheists offer porn for bibles

All I can say is about a year ago when searching through a seldom opened cabinet in my home I stumbled across a Bible that a next door neighbor had secretly conspired to add to my book collection.

I couldn't wait to get rid of it, though I was considerate enough regarding the respect so many people have for it that I did not throw it away but kept asking visitors to my house if they would like to have it until I could find someone who did.

Amazingly it was harder giving away my TV when I decided to stop watching it.

Now try to get me to part with anything from my porno collection?

No way!

Originally posted by DaMod
I'm not including every atheist into my point of view. Most of my friends are Atheists. I think I only brought them up once, very briefly with nothing really demeaning to say.

Nothing demeaning, really?

Originally posted by DaMod
They go out of the way to pick fights just for the sake of it!

SNIP

It seems like just a way to get attention..... What are these people? Toddlers?

Grow up already!

SNIP

Weren't some churches in Texas just recently bombed?

Atheism is non-violent indeed.

That to me is pretty insulting i must say, to seemingly lump all atheists i together in such a way and even to call atheism violent when you then provide no evidence, you just assume the perpetrators of the crimes are atheists!

Originally posted by DaMod
I am going to say that I've learned that telling an Atheist you are a christian is not a good idea. Not because I am not strong willed or weak of faith or what have you. Just because I know they are not going to have anything nice to say. Most of the time they are the ones that ask too.

I don't give a damn if you are a Christian and once again you lump all atheists together. Also in my experience it is the religious who ask what faith you have and then proceed to insult me and tell me i'm going to hell, but this is personal experience and probably shouldn't be used as a debating tactic.

reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984


There is just as much speculation in the previously supplied msnbc link. I rebutted with a source of equal speculation.

There is no evidence to state that the perpetrator in the abortion doctor shooting was in fact a Christian. The only think I saw that I could draw any sort of conclusion is that the perpetrator was pro life.

I rebutted speculation with speculation. Fair trade.

It doesn't matter anyway. Atheists homes are vandalized by Christians, christian churches are vandalized by atheists. Extremist Christians kill people, extremist atheists kill people.

I would much rather this belief war ended.

Originally posted by DaMod
There is just as much speculation in the previously supplied msnbc link. I rebutted with a source of equal speculation.

There is no evidence to state that the perpetrator in the abortion doctor shooting was in fact a Christian. The only think I saw that I could draw any sort of conclusion is that the perpetrator was pro life.

I rebutted speculation with speculation. Fair trade.

I think you missed the point of that, i read it as someone showing you that speculation can prove anything after you mentioned that the atheists were burnign the churches. They were trying to prove a point, a point which you seem to have missed.

Still that is someone else, you have yet to tackle anything i have said properly, you skip around t an awful lot

Originally posted by DaMod
It doesn't matter anyway. Atheists homes are vandalized by Christians, christian churches are vandalized by atheists. Extremist Christians kill people, extremist atheists kill people.

I would much rather this belief war ended.

Now hang on once again you say atheists are vandalising churches but you provide no evidence for it! Extremist atheists may kill people but they do not do so in the name of atheism, whereas a religious follower often kills in the name of god, and the fact you cannot see this really massive difference is bewildering.

No one runs onto a battlefield or blows themselves up shouting "death to the believers".

[edit on 3-3-2010 by ImaginaryReality1984]

I consider myself an Agnostic, so in a lot of ways I can identify with the feelings of this particular Atheist group.

However, I completely agree with the people who suggested that the actions of this group will not help the Atheist agenda. It belittles their stance.

As someone who is Agnostic, I'm tired of my national laws and regulations being built around a religion that I don't believe in. Its frustrating. It is also understandable considering the way this country was founded and developed. I also feel that people who want to practice religion should have every right to do so.

While I understand the point the Atheists were trying to make, I still feel they were out of line..

I would much rather this belief war ended.

TRUE THAT!!!!!!!

Originally posted by DaMod
There is no evidence to state that the perpetrator in the abortion doctor shooting was in fact a Christian. The only think I saw that I could draw any sort of conclusion is that the perpetrator was pro life.

Pesky facts:

Born-again Christian says he killed abortion doctor to save lives

www.smh.com.au...

Is duh a word?

[edit on 3-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

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That's not actually true. Well, not completely.

The other day was orientation day at uni, and all the stalls were out for shops and the army and all that jazz including a couple christian stalls. One of which said "FREE BIBLES".
It's obvious that the intent here was to hook some followers and particularly minded open-to-the-idea-of-religion-as-long-as-its-christianity people. Well the hooked me, an atheist who winds up in regular debates about religion. And I don't have a bible anymore so I thought what the heck, I'll take one. They asked me and I told them I was atheist and intended to use it as a source for argument - at least I'm honest.

The look on the face of the old man was incredible, he was not best pleased.

Jeez - what do they do with all those bibles?
Book burning?

Leads one to wonder how many (including those posting now) are products of porn ?

How many people walking around were produced as result of a man (or couple) being aroused by people on a screen, after which that lust was spurted into a uterus, later to result in a 'person' ?

There are those who'd say, 'So what ?'

There are others who'd suspect anyone born as result of pornography is permanently spiritually stained and corrupted

Originally posted by happygolucky
reply to post by TLomon

 

Obviously doing this for attention - and apparently it seems to be working.


Wonder how many motel/hotels in the area will come up short on bibles in the near future...

But, what if they tried this with the Koran..? I bet they would get beat down quickly...

I think you have found a interesting paradox,seeing as most liberals or secular humanists oppose god in every form ie: no prayers in school,separation of church and state etc etc but at the same time the MSM and liberals try to paint a picture of love and friendliness that they think Islam is and paint anyone as a bigot or racist if you disagree with that but that brings you back to the original argument that they hate religion... yay paradoxical arguments

[edit on 3-3-2010 by zeroeffect]

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There are others who'd suspect anyone born as result of pornography is permanently spiritually stained and corrupted

Some would say spiritually stained and corrupted would be falling victim to a small group of dessert tribe’s religion and then slowly expanding it over the course of centuries and millennium to wipe out violently all most every indigenous life form that had never heard of it!

But if some people really want to believe that bands of nomadic dessert dwellers who sold slaves, lent money, fought as mercenaries and assassins and performed as political advisors while wandering about making every last little penny they could some how were gifted with some kind of magical spiritual deity that doesn’t even use its power to get fifty yard line seats to the super bowl, that no one alive can even claim to see without getting tossed in the funny farm, well sure

Honestly that's the kind of stain and spirtuality I just don't want or need!

Any way I see it sliced appears to be a point being made concerning free-thought vs. religion, one against the other. And the obvious motive is attention--for their cause, for their voices to be heard, for them to be accepted as proper and equal individuals in society, etc.

But why a Bible/Koran/Vedas against Porn? As someone pointed out a few pages back, why not Bibles for Literature? Attention! Attention! I suppose.

However, an interesting thought did occur: whether we agree or not, we know what the Bible/Koran/Vedas historically represent in the psyche of people; they represent "Good" for the vast majority. That doesn't mean everyone professing them is good, or that they're always used for good, or that you're Bad for writing them off as just another book, but they historically stand for Good. (What they might represent to you as an individual today is a whole different matter, I'm sure, but for the sake of argument...)

So, the student group is saying either:
1) Porn is equally Good.
2) The Holy Books are as insignificant as Porn.
3) We think Holy Books are Bad, filled with atrocities and archaic beliefs about minorities, women, free-thought, etc. You think Porn is Bad. One Bad for another.

But any way I see it argued, the atheists don't seem to have taken their thoughts to the end.

I think it has to be accepted that porn objectifies human sexuality and trades it as a commodity. Whether one believes porn is right or wrong is completely irrelevant in this because that's what Porn is. It's sex sold--people's value as sexual beings sold. I think, too, whether one views sex as a sacred act only to be shared between a specific arrangement of two people, or as a powerful, lovely physical act we need to all enjoy with whomever the connection is right, it is still a very special thing for almost all men and women around the world. Porn takes a special thing shared between two people (or even one's self, I guess...I mean, we are talking about pr0n, right?), and sells it as a commodity.

So, the atheists are saying one of three things, then:

1) Selling a special piece of humanity and people selling themselves as commodities is Good, just like your Holy Books.
2) Selling a special piece of humanity and people selling themselves as commodities is insignificant, just like your Holy Books.
3) We agree that selling (exploiting) a special piece of humanity and people selling themselves (being exploited--voluntarily or otherwise) as commodities is Bad, just like your Holy Books with their consistent hatred and exploitation of men and women, so we're going to go ahead with a means-to-an-end mentality (which we're vehemently opposed to in regards to religions doing the same because of the damage is causes to humanity) and exploit them even more to make a point and gain a lot of attention.

Any of the three seems to not be a win for the student group.

Attention, I suppose, IS a win for them, but to draw the nation's attention to one's self for being one of the above would hopefully give rise to at least a double-take of one's motives.

But, maybe not. It's just a thought.

-Essay

Originally posted by Deaf Alien


I am not understanding this statement?

Non christians were forced into conforming into their own beliefs and way of life for centuries or else be burned at stakes.

Don't you think it's good that the Christians are forced to be passive these days? Am I missing something?

No you are not missing anything, if they did it doesn't mean others should do it.

Plus you can't blame them for what their ancestors did, if you know what I mean.

Is that the best alternative they could come up with?
The experience of porn will leave you depleted and even blind,
but the exact opposite happens with the Holy-writ...

besides, the 'OMG' of 0rgasm is trifle compared to 'knowing' the real GOD!
It amazes me that it's an Academia based operation(!),
so0 much for the student body!

reply to post by EssayWhat

Whether one believes porn is right or wrong is completely irrelevant

followed almost directly by..

I think, too, whether one views sex as a sacred act only to be shared between a specific arrangement of two people, or as a powerful, lovely physical act we need to all enjoy with whomever the connection is right, it is still a very special thing for almost all men and women around the world. Porn takes a special thing shared between two people (or even one's self, I guess...I mean, we are talking about pr0n, right?), and sells it as a commodity.

..implying porn is therefore bad, but this is your take. There are a lot of people who don't make emotional connections with people they have sex with nor want to. To such people, it's all about getting ones rocks of. These are also the people more likely to be very casual about the topic of porn, wouldn't mind doing trades for it. One night stands, the harder to maintain causal sex, even harder to maintain friends with benefits are people wanting to keep the physical gratification to a maximum without the emotional baggage.

The other point is that people have a right to use and abuse their bodies as they see fit. As seedy as it seems, some sex workers do enjoy their work and I'm betting the prostitutes who work for the upper classes probably carry a lot of dignity with them. But either way if someone decides to use their body to get paid, or to get off by appearing in porn, then props to them.

I think we, as a historically christianity-influenced society, unrightly make our sexuality something to be feared and repressed. Such an unhealthy attitude IMO leads to perversion more often than not.

There are a lot of minor pagan religions which give sex the role of celebrating being a physical human or see it as very spiritual experience and as a result are very open about sexuality and it's practice. The impulse for porn, I think, comes from the internal desire to be freer sexually and I think it's good that secular society is moving in that direction.

[edit on 3-3-2010 by Welfhard]

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True!

I suppose I don't see porn necessarily as bad, but I see sex and sexuality as very special and a very important piece of humanity. As you said, though, many others are less emotional about it, or view it as a physical-only gratification. And to that extent I can't argue with them (or you) as it delves into personal views at that point.

But, because of my view of it, it creates a paradigm that a piece of humanity is being packaged and sold, and humanity being sold always worries me.

Way off topic, here, I suppose!

Originally posted by DaMod

I'm Christian, and you know what? I'm not even going to touch this with a 1,000,000,000,000,000 foot pole.

I will say this though.

It seems to me that Atheism has become the worlds newest organized religion. I am so sick of the "look at me I don't believe in anything so I'm going to push my believing in nothing on everyone else and desecrate everything sacred that they hold just because I think it is crap" mentality. Why is it such a big deal to Atheists? You'd figure since they believe in nothing they wouldn't care so much about what others believe.. I mean why do you give a crap less? What is the point? Why give a flying fart in space what I believe?

They go out of the way to pick fights just for the sake of it!

Why won't these people just let us believe in God in peace? Is that so hard? Just let us believe whatever the [snip] we want to and we will do the same for you....

It seems like just a way to get attention..... What are these people? Toddlers?

Grow up already!

Not attacking you, but I've been saying the EXACT SAME THING (In the reverse) for years. I'm Agnostic and I explain to the "door to door salespeople" every week or so that I'm not interested. They have been bugging me in the morning (except Sundays when they are at church) for six years. They are not Jehovah's Witnesses either, they belong to some other church in town. The Jehovah's Witnesses bug me at work when they drop off their propaganda and buy some fuel. Before I moved here I lived in a larger City, and AGAIN I was harassed by them. Baptist, Episcopalian, J.W. you name it. So I ask the same question now. Why can't you (As in the door to door bible salesman) leave US alone?

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Not that I agree with the tactic, but it is quite humorous

I wonder how many Holy books they managed to trade... And was the porn......used?

I just want to point out that there are a lot of religious people on here saying "why can't they just let us believe what we want and leave us alone." But here is some food for thought. I've never once opened my door to an atheist that said, "Do you believe in god? Well guess what, neither do I! Would you like to talk about it?" Do you see what I'm getting at? Not once has an atheist pushed their beliefs on me. However, at least once a month these to girls from this church in my neighborhood come knocking at my door wanting to talk me into coming to their church. And I think they are psychic because they always seem to come when my baby is napping and they knock, get the dog barking like crazy, and wake the baby up. (sigh)
P.S. I'm not bashing religions. I'm just pointing out the double standard