Rich hating welfare claimants

I'm sad to say that I see in my own extended family this entitlement attitude. They seem to believe that they can complete high school, take a job and live at the same standard as the home they've recently vacated. If they can't they cry, "Unfair!" and stamp their little feet.
On the other hand I see those who worked hard at academics and held a job while in school, applied themselves in college or trade school and are now doing extremely well in the pursuit of their dreams.
I don't understand, honestly I don't, where the attitude originated. The parents of these people were hard working, good providers who would never have dreamed of taking welfare when they were perfectly able to work. But to the next generation it seems to be some sort of game, to see just how much they can take from the pot without ever contributing.
Even more sad is the fact that I see more takers in my extended family than contributors.
My parents taught me that a good work ethic will carry one through the rough times. I had rough times. They were caused by my own poor decisions. But my work ethic kept me afloat and was passed along to my children. Thankfully, they are all contributors rather than takers. They are supporting their lazy cousins. I understand completely when the contributors have little sympathy for the whiners who make no effort to better their situations and learn nothing from their mistakes.
I could go on and on but it would turn into a rant...uh, (insert sheepish look here...)
But I do want to say that I refuse to be guilted over the massive fortune (to me) we've amassed as the result of our parents investments of time and money when we were young. We, in turn, have invested in our children and lots of other young folks, giving our time and money to "pay it forward" in hopes of creating another generation of investors in the future.

reply to post by diggindirt


When are people going to learn? People are just people.

"Takers" "Contributors" blah blah ZZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzz "I refuse to feel bad because I'm rich and invest in people I like while calling others entitlement minded." ZZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzz "My parents invested time and money which amassed a fortune and I fell on hard times and my work ethic pulled me through." ZZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzz

I wish I could get you on recording to help me sleep.

Are you a member of the Tea Party?

Are you about to start complaining that the government is trying to regulate how much you are allowed to screw people over? Do you think union workers are lazy and spend all day at the bar while clocked in?

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly


My, what an excellent job you've done of twisting/deleting words ...that's quite a talent. It's good that you have a talent.
But you're done with me. I refuse to sink to your level. I stated what I see in my family. There are more people in the younger generations living off of government entitlements of some sort than there are workers paying into the system. Even the densest of characters can see that won't keep working much longer. You may mock all you wish but your lack of attention is unsettling to say the least. Not only did you do a fine job of tweaking words but you also did well by adding ideas never expressed in my post. I recognize deflections when I see them. Nice try but I don't play those games.

Edited to add: Your signature? "Reap what you sow" On that we can agree. You won't be doin' much reaping without the sowing but it takes a heap more than just sowing to raise a crop. Me? I'm just bloomin' where I was planted.

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly


It appears that you have a few "self image" issues. Your dear national socialist democrat party were who tried hard to stop slavery from being ended. It was the republican party that ended it. I guess you better join up quick so you won't become a racist like all those in democrat party, right?

Study history more before you start mocking all the wrong people next time.. but then I keep forgetting how liberals try the hardest to re write history to embellish themselves.

beezzer
my thought still stands that it is personal responsibility that'll see a person better him/herself over an entitlement mentality.

Just as there is a difference between one 'rich person' as another, there is also a inference between one 'poor' person and the next.

I've met both kinds in my life and, you're right, it's personal responsibility that separates them all. Some 'rich' people become so indifferent to the rest of humanity that they feel the need to hide themselves away while others go the opposite route, becoming active within their communities and raising the quality of life for everyone.

There are 'poor' people who also 'hide' away, out of sight, who have given up on humanity and no longer try to be a part of the wider community in which they live. Both the rich and poor who take that path can never be happy in that our basic instinct is to be a part of the community. It's ingrained in our genetics.

When we separate ourselves from the world to be among only those who share our 'values', we become a little crazy.

The poor person who stays active in the community will always better themselves simply through the act of helping others.
The rich person who does the same gains more than money could ever buy.

So, yes, it's down to personal responsibility, but all about being available to those around you. Nothing enriches a soul more than that.

reply to post by diggindirt

I also see other differences that could be playing a role.
Like I've stated before my first job was a minimum wage job and I could live reasonably comfortable on those wages!
You didn't need a college degree to earn a living!!!

I didn't enjoy the same benefits as my sister did though. She could work full time and not have to pay a sitter because my mom was able and willing to care for her kids. That is another thing that is practically shot out the window.. the extended family!!

And it was more common for families to stay together than it was to divorce or never get married to begin with.

There's is more factors playing into this than just personal responsiblity!

And you do realize that a single mom on welfare more than likely costs the taxpayer more by working don't you??

hopenotfeariswhatweneed

my1percent
There is a television show ( I really don't watch that much tv true lol) in Australia that takes the piss out of long term welfare persons and it is hilarious , gross , shocking ,funny and when telling some people about it and saying watch it , they can see certain people they know in the programme and will say yeah " that dazza and shazza are very much like so and so" .

I would like to get the dvd and send it to a friend overseas but I think they might not get the Aussie humour and they might be shocked by the swearing and gross stuff . I don't know if it's on ytube and wouldn't know how to bring it across .

It is a really good example on this thread 1%

Edit , it's called housos or houseos not sure of the spelling.

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edit on 25-2-2014 by my1percent because: (no reason given)

that would be "housos"...and it is very funny and closer to the truth than many would think

We have something similar over here called "shameless"

when you are at the top, it is easier to dismiss those below you, because they have very little power to change your life. when you are at the bottom, everything the wealthy does affects your life, due to the enormous amount of power they hold. this isn't some opinion, it's simply a fact of life, the only difference is the severity. civil wars and violent protests kill off those that have nothing to lose, and each time the wealthy act like they are always shocked by it, even though they seem to avoid it before it gets too close to them. is there a conscience effort to kill off the poor and useless?....if you go strictly by actions taken, rather than words spoken, then yes.

I think I saw the "debate", the OP is referring too. About the program innocuously named 'Benefits street'. The Rich guy hardly ingratiated himself with the other audience members by using expletives to describe those on welfare. Expletives that had to be muted out. How did you expect people to respond to this guy? The whole thing just turned into a slanging match, the result the producers had in mind no doubt.

I am old enough to remember when a low paying job in the 60's, got you a place to live, power, phone, food.

A low paying job now gets you nothing but a choice. Buy food or pay the rent?

Work your arse off for what?

LUXUS
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

The idea that people on welfare are the poorest people is wrong, they get enough money through subletting their partners state provided flat, scamming, and some work cash in hand jobs.

I'm not sure who you know on welfare or if we're just talking about 'the dole', as it's known in other nations I'm not near as familiar with. However, subletting isn't something real common over here to start with...outside major cities, perhaps? I've heard of it, but never actually run into it directly or by someone I knew who was doing it. It's by no stretch a common and regular thing and absolutely not with Section 8 or low income housing. The waiting list to get into that is enormous and the ways to be thrown out of it once you're there are quite diverse. So, playing that game is a good way to be the next former law income renter to be thrown into the street, frankly.

Now I know welfare abuse goes on. No question. It's been an enormous problem, even when the economy was in full boom periods and it's during those times which terms like 'Welfare Queen' really comes to apply. I've known a few of those too, in my life. Slugs that take pride in doing nothing through their own effort to support their life. They do exist. They are the exception in bad times, and especially right now.

We have everyone from vets, to middle-former middle class to PhD's out there in the same unemployment lines. The cooked books version of unemployment would be horrible, if we could even trust it..which I absolutely don't anymore.

To say Welfare folks aren't at the poorest end of society is missing the nature of the reality, in my opinion. It's taking exceptions ..and high profile media story cases..and assuming they are the norm.

Nowhere close, in my experience.

diggindirt
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

 

Me? I'm just bloomin' where I was planted.

The rest of your post aside, which is simply a case of psychological projection (that means you are projecting your behaviors on me), that quote sums up all you know.

alienreality
reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

 

It appears that you have a few "self image" issues. Your dear national socialist democrat party were who tried hard to stop slavery from being ended. It was the republican party that ended it. I guess you better join up quick so you won't become a racist like all those in democrat party, right?

Study history more before you start mocking all the wrong people next time.. but then I keep forgetting how liberals try the hardest to re write history to embellish themselves.

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The year is 2014, not 1814, and I am not a Democrat. I don't want to debate the history of the parties. If you want proof of Republican racism simply visit Republican websites.

I personally think only a fool would identify as Democrat or Republican.

I am not a "liberal." I am a "PERSON."

MOMof3
I am old enough to remember when a low paying job in the 60's, got you a place to live, power, phone, food.

A low paying job now gets you nothing but a choice. Buy food or pay the rent?

Work your arse off for what?

Don't be a minute late or you won't even have that choice.

Why would someone want to work hard and impress people who treat others like that? To "work their way up?" So that they can have money?

That is not a good enough reason for me. I would rather stay at the bottom with the rest, regardless of that "leadership ability" or "potential" people keep talking about.

If I ever find an employer who is genuinely more concerned with people and human life than profits, then I will actually try for them. I haven't run into one yet.

masqua

beezzer
my thought still stands that it is personal responsibility that'll see a person better him/herself over an entitlement mentality.

There are 'poor' people who also 'hide' away, out of sight, who have given up on humanity and no longer try to be a part of the wider community in which they live.

edit on 26/2/14 by masqua because: (no reason given)

Most often, those people have good reasons for that.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


In London it is a big problem, immigrants will separately apply for income support and housing benefits, then sublet one of the flats and move in together, Somalians, Albanians, Romanians etc are all up to this, I know at least 3 people that are subletting their flat and taking the rent!

reply to post by FreeWillAnomaly

May I offer some cheese to go with your whine?

Free of charge of course.

LUXUS
I was watching a chat show a few weeks ago and I found the attitude of the audience so ugly and repulsive I had to change the channel. Essentially the show was about healthy people who chose not to work but to live on welfare most their life. The audience had a majority of these people but there were a few people who were successful in life giving advice. Essentially what you had was the welfare claimants snarling and foaming at the mouth like dogs infected with rabies at the richer people. It was clear from listening to them that they absolutely hated anyone who had been successful in life which I have to say made me very angry.

How has the world become like this that the majority of people would prefer to see others doing bad then good, that those who chose to work hard are hated by those who chose to sit on their ass. Is it not a show of bad character? and if the majority of people feel this way is it not proof of social decline.

What you have then is large numbers of people who think the wealth should be spread out so that they can enjoy the things the richer people do but without having to work for it, are these people serious!!

I think the issue is, how much is too much, when should you feel obligated to help, vs how much time and effort actually goes into your success.

Most rich people did NOT work hard or spend immense amounts of effort to obtain their success, these same people look down on the people actually working and expending mass amounts of effort and call them lazy and say they don't work hard enough.

What percentage of rich (for sake of argument, 30 million and up) weren't born rich?

I'd say MUCH less than you think.

The norm is, 1 guy gets rich, extends this to his family who hold none of his ideals or contribute to his success or the success of others, they then surround themselves with other silver spooners, laugh and gaggle at everyone else, while spending their money in the political forum to take the necessary support structures away from them. Occasionally "donating" to a for profit non-profit charity [because if they donate, they lose LESS money via tax breaks for donating] for public relations articles.