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posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 04:29 PM
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ColeYounger
Strange, I have been personally observing the exact opposite. I'm seeing a new fad whereby the
Liberal Progressive Class is blaming all the world's ills on the wealthy.
Hating the rich is high on the liberal to-do list these days.
But I don't see Bill Gates and Warren Buffett and Oprah holding people down and causing people to be poor.



I Agree..... all we hear is how Evil it is to be successful and even moderately wealthy. It' s almost being successful and making money is somehow a bad thing. It's scary how far gone our Country had fallen.

I routinely see those without drive, continually try to figure out ways to get even more free money from our Government. Do you really think that all of sudden, we somehow got more U.S. Citizens so fully disabled, that they can't work? And many of them do work, it's just underground money.

Personally I'd rather not pay for someone in their twenties to just sit around and rot........ The Government can pay them, they just better be working their asses off for that money like the rest of us.

Immigration reform? Let's really call it what it is, Amnesty. It would be a whole different picture if Americans were fully employed. But that's not the case. When Millions of Americans are unemployed or Under-employed, why would you want to add even more workers to the job force? Somebody explain the logic of that to me? I've had people try, they end up mumbling to themselves. Go ahead, try.......



posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 04:30 PM
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Personally, I think the biggest problem is stupid people, which have become a plague.

Besides that, out here in occupied California, they will send you an $1,800 dollar check a month for sitting on your ass.

And no, it's not unemployment either. You don't have to be looking for work, or have any disability whatsoever.

These lunatics will even give you a tax return check for doing absolutely nothing. All you have to do is file the paperwork.

It's pure insanity. Which brings us back to the stupid people part. Just think Nancy Pelosi, and that is all you need to know. ~$heopleNation



posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 04:32 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly
[. If you want proof of Republican racism simply visit Republican websites.

I personally think only a fool would identify as Democrat or Republican.

I am not a "liberal." I am a "PERSON."


Can you post a few links to "republican" websites so we can see what you consider racism?

I know asking people like you for proof of anything is usually an exercise in futility, but figured I would throw the request out there.



posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 04:33 PM
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SheopleNation
Personally, I think the biggest problem is stupid people, which have become a plague.

Besides that, out here in occupied California, they will send you an $1,800 dollar check a month for sitting on your ass.

And no, it's not unemployment either. You don't have to be looking for work, or have any disability whatsoever.

These lunatics will even give you a tax return check for doing absolutely nothing. All you have to do is file the paperwork.

It's pure insanity. Which brings us back to the stupid people part. Just think Nancy Pelosi, and that is all you need to know. ~$heopleNation



Exactly. We need to eliminate the stupidity in this nation. Elimination of all unconstitutional social programs that support these retards would be a good place to start. If it takes losers and morons dying of starvation in order to improve the future of this country, then tough love it is.



posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 04:39 PM
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doubletap

FreeWillAnomaly
[. If you want proof of Republican racism simply visit Republican websites.

I personally think only a fool would identify as Democrat or Republican.

I am not a "liberal." I am a "PERSON."


Can you post a few links to "republican" websites so we can see what you consider racism?

I know asking people like you for proof of anything is usually an exercise in futility, but figured I would throw the request out there.


I can't believe you even asked. You just want me to be too lazy or preoccupied to go get the proof. All I had to do was look at the local right wing newspaper, and that is one of the moderated ones. Maybe later I will get some from the ones which are not moderated so strictly.

www.theoaklandpress.com...

First comment: "More democrats in the news." 6 upvotes so far and it was just posted today.

3rd comment: "He's just saying that if Obungles had a son.............."

"Didn't you read the story? It said he was black, so the mental illness is genetic." - can't believe they didn't moderate that one yet.

Do you need more proof of what you already know?

This same website is full of people whining about poor people and welfare.

How many websites full of racist Republicans do you need me to post? 10? 20? Am I going to be compensated for my time? Google "conservative website" and look at the comments.

I can't stand Democrats either but Republicans are the worst.
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posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 05:03 PM
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SheopleNation
Personally, I think the biggest problem is stupid people, which have become a plague.


So true, an example I was at the gym yesterday, found myself a spot to stand in and lift some free weights, do you know I was continuously bothered by idiots walking into me and saying sorry (the ones who could speak English). I was like what the hell is wrong with these stupid f******, I was ready to drop a weight on the next one that walked into me!



posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 05:12 PM
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FreeWillAnomaly

I can't believe you even asked. You just want me to be too lazy or preoccupied to go get the proof. All I had to do was look at the local right wing newspaper, and that is one of the moderated ones. Maybe later I will get some from the ones which are not moderated so strictly.

www.theoaklandpress.com...

First comment: "More democrats in the news." 6 upvotes so far and it was just posted today.

3rd comment: "He's just saying that if Obungles had a son.............."





Oh you are precious. You are using someones comment on a newspaper website as your proof? Seriously?

This is a serious question: What is wrong with you? Brain injury? Mental issues? Or just a general lack of intelligence?

Yes, I asked for proof. Thats how life goes. If you voice an opinion and state it as fact, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Comments on a post are not proof. Where are the republic politicians who show legitimate racism on their sites? How about on the site of the RNC? Hell, even any official republican site with racism. Can you provide any actual proof, or just your ridiculously laughable idea of proof?



posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 07:12 PM
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You guys should check out my pet peeves thread if you want some entertainment concerning stupid people.

Anyway, People will always hate what they want for themselves. As if any of these rich hating crybabies would not want to be rich too? I think not, most are hypocrites. ~$heopleNation


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posted on Feb, 26 2014 @ 07:25 PM
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Everything is true in this thread. But where the f#@%$ are the jobs? If the cash society is to continue we have to admit that a consumer is as essential as a producer. One cannot exist without the other. If by some moral persuasion you think people shouldn't get something for nothing, then get the rich to pay there fair share of taxes, and get the unemployed meaningful work. If it means redefining what work is then it must be done. It will still work out cheaper than putting people up in jails.



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 02:43 PM
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anonentity
reply to post by muzzleflash
 

Everything is true in this thread. But where the f#@%$ are the jobs? If the cash society is to continue we have to admit that a consumer is as essential as a producer. One cannot exist without the other. If by some moral persuasion you think people shouldn't get something for nothing, then get the rich to pay there fair share of taxes, and get the unemployed meaningful work. If it means redefining what work is then it must be done. It will still work out cheaper than putting people up in jails.


Given that the wealthy already pay the majority of the taxes in this country, how are they not paying their "fair share"?



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 04:10 PM
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If Corporations are considered people, then how come Corporations pay virtually nothing in tax.



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 07:42 PM
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I was just talking about this subject yesterday because I deal with this kind of people all the time. Fine if you want to be on welfare for your entire life, you can. The only difference will be that you will have a welfare card that buys everything you are entitled to. You will take the card to the welfare doctor and he/she will put on your card your nutritional needs. Then you will take your welfare card to the welfare food bank and hand it over to the food bank person. Then you can wait in the welfare waiting room until they bring you your nutritional needs prescribed by the welfare doctor. You will wait outside for your welfare taxi to be taken to the welfare clothing store where the welfare clothing people will bring you your welfare clothes. Then back to the taxi to the welfare apartment building..... get the picture?

And then people will say, "You can't do that that's against their civil rights!"

And to that I say, "That's their incentive to get off it and join the rest of us in the productive world."



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 09:52 PM
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Everyone first must understand that the mainstream media is not about presenting all of the sides to a case. In fact, they have been notorious for presenting only the side of the case that suits their political agendas, or the agendas of those who own the company itself. Sort of like how Murdoch said Fox News was not about presenting the truth, but promoting a political agenda, although those were not the exact words, but you get the point.

So the first question I would ask is why this side was played up to start with. Perhaps the journalism is sound, in which case we move on. The next most important aspect to realize is that the extremes are usually the minority. So for instance, serial killers exist. But we don't go around assuming everyone is serial killer, because that would be absurd. In this case, just because there are people who abuse the system does not mean that the majority abuse the system. I didn't see the piece you are referring to, but I imagine I would have hated what occurred as much as you did, because it is not right.

However, I can empathize with hating the wealthiest people in the world, and it has nothing to do with the fact that they are successful. It has to do with HOW they became successful, and how they continue to make money. Everyone should be just as concerned on this matter as I am. So about 1% of the population controls ove HALF the wealth. And the other 50% is NOT in the hands of the lower and middle classes either, because there are still the super wealthy, who are not in the top 1%, and those below them. In fact, the amount of wealth controlled by the lower and middle classes is absolutely astonishing it is so low. THAT is a sign of a broken system, plain and simple. Capitalism is the problem, because it promotes indecency and immorality.

Why would the top 1% who are in business requiring manufacturing hire American workers, when they can pay next to nothing and hire workers who are only a slight step up from slave labor, and pay them virtually nothing? And then people are forced to buy this stuff, because of the fact that other manufacturers cannot compete with these large chains such as Wal-Mart, and it is a vicious cycle that makes these people more and more money.

And then when they actually do hire US workers, because they have to, they still pay them as little as possible, and ensure that the majority of these people never work a full 40 hours, not to mention overtime. That is unheard of in most cases, aside from maybe one or two people in a large retail store. I have heard rich republicans on television talking about how minimum wage is enough to support yourself with, and I just shake my head. These people know good and well how the system operates and screws people, and they know that these people who are making minimum wage are not working full work weeks due to the fact they are not allowed to.

And this has been going on LONG before Obamacare, so I don't want to hear anyone talking about how that is the cause. These businesses will do absolutely ANYTHING to increase profits. And while their employees starve, the executives who are responsible for running their slave labor mills overseas, amongst other atrocities, make millions of dollars in bonuses.

And that is just a sliver of the entire problem I have with the 1%. You cannot achieve such wealth without walking all over people, and without being an immoral person. It is virtually impossible. These people are ruthless, and their lives are controlled by two things...money and power. And the two go hand in hand. Not only is our economic system broken in the US, the political system is as well.

So I don't want to hear anyone complaining about people on welfare, considering that even if every single person who is receiving government benefits didn't actually deserve them, they still wouldn't be ruining this country as fast as the top 1%. Most people have probably zero idea as to what most of these extremely wealthy people are like. There are some people who got extremely wealthy without screwing over too many people, but those types of markets are few and far between. I could see the tech sector producing such wealth, but behind the scenes I'm sure such companies are responsible for taking jobs out of America so that they can save money.

And what gets me is that there are large corporations who could pay a whole lot better, and create more loyal employees, and increase the economy across the US, and yet STILL make a huge profit. But they will not do this because it would cut into the amount of money they made. No matter that there is still so much profit. THAT is greed. And what happens when the government tries to regulate businesses? You get the conservatives screaming about fairness, and they are the last people who should be using that word. I could go on and on about what is broken in this country and in its political and economic system, but I assume that many on these boards are aware enough to realize such things without having to have them pointed out to them.



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 09:59 PM
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Most people generally don't hate the rich for being rich most want to become rich,what they hate is that the deck is stacked against them through the use of bribes for politicians both legal and illegal,and mind you the type of rich Iam talking about is not your regular dude or dudette who made good,but the type that that ran multi-national corporations and banking systems that asked for bailout/handout when they @%^**up and still walk away with billions in bonuses and golden parachutes but yell the loudest at paying taxes when things are great.

As far as welfare is concerned didn't Clinton reformed that back in the day??..I mean you do have to work unless you are handicapped I think,so that maybe an old view of what welfare really means today,in any case American productivity is up while wages remained stagnant,forcing many to supplement income or food from the government.


As the chart below shows, it’s not only real wages that have lagged far behind productivity (or barely outpaced inflation), it’s average compensation (wages plus benefits) as well. The chart shows indexes of two related compensation measures plotted against productivity growth. After growing a bit in the early 2000s, they’re both about where they were 10 years ago.



economix.blogs.nytimes.com...

Mind you I am not anti capitol anti business matter of fact I am business,but this return to Laissez-faire approach to business is ultimately good for no one we can i'll afford to use terms like pull yourself up by your bootstraps when some don't even have boots,talk a good game about level playing field while have your friends in congress do everything to wrap the field or control the game as much as possible.

Now it don't have to be that way ladies N Gents there are companies that are people conscious,environmentally conscious and still raking the dough,the below is from that socialist pinko rag Forbs Magazine.
Walmart Pays Workers Poorly And Sinks While Costco Pays Workers
Well And Sails-Proof That You Get What You Pay For



Costco’s most recent quarterly earnings report reveals a fairly healthy eight percent rate of growth in year-on-year sales—including a five percent rise in same store sales. What’s more, with membership fees rising from $459 million in the same quarter last year to $528 million this year, it’s pretty clear that a significant number of customers are moving over to the retailer to do their discount shopping.

Meanwhile, Costco’s primary competitor, Walmart, saw an anemic 1.2 percent rise in sales, while other competitors such as J.C. Penny and Target TGT +0.28% experienced even greater disasters in their sales results.

www.forbes.com... t-you-pay-for/
One more thing talking about Welfare, why are we giving Billions in subsidies to multi National oil giants arguably the most profitable industry on this planet to find ...oil??..mind you these are NOT! American companies but multi nationals and they don't even sell it back to us at discount,while they actively stifled innovation into alternative sources of energy using said payouts.
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posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 10:42 PM
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So the poor hate the rich and blame them. Goes the other way around. The rich hate the poor and blame them for things too. The rich are no better than the poor. They collect welfare too. Just a more "socially acceptable" form of welfare. Hell, I hear as much whining and blame throwing around by the wealthier sector and their supporters, as I do from po'dunk town.

The poor think they are entitled to a roof over their head, clothes on their back, food in their bellies, doctors for their ills, and transportation to get wherever it is that they go. That they are entitled to bigger benefit payments, more support for their ill begotten offspring

The middle class think they are entitled to better parking spots and unsustainably cheap products. They throw tantrums in stores if the low wage clerk didn't ring up the bill, or won't take their outdated coupon. The fancy themselves entitled to be treated as "special", get theirs without caring if you get yours. Their kids are entitled to live in a sterile society, and everyone must make way for them and their SUVs!

The rich think they are entitled to make the rules for the rest of us, and determine the playing field we all operate on. They feel entitled to buy whatever the hell they want, however the hell they want, regardless of who gets hurt or how it impacts society. That they are entitled to the ears and wallets of elected officials, that they are entitled to shape and direct the general direction of the country, and shut out anyone wanting to try something completely new and unconventional. That they are entitled to profit by any means necessary, whoever gets hurt, so what.

I'm seeing a lot of entitlement attitudes from everyone. Not just those "welfare scum".



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 10:45 PM
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beezzer
I'm going to catch heat for this post, but I think much of the problem stems from what people consider basic needs anymore.

Back when, you needed a roof over your head, 3 hots and a cot.

Now? You "need" cable/satellite tv, internet, a computer, cell phone, flat screen tv, etc. . .

Those "needs" cost money. Many can't afford it. Thus we have a whole new spectrum to consider.


Actually at this point in society a basic computer or tablet, internet and a basic cellphone are needs. Without them your chances on achieving any kind of employment gets very very small. And yes you can use one of the public libraries in most major cities to offset the need for a computer and internet. But the competition for seats at them is pretty large in today's economy.

And I will agree there is a segment of society out there that are quite content to sit home and collect something for nothing. Or even misuse the help they are given. But doing away with the idea that we should help those that need it because of them is pretty foolish. As a small business owner the very first people I look to hire are the long term unemployed and felons. I had someone once ask me why. The simple answer is usually when they accept employment they are the ones willing to push themselves harder because they are hungry for more.

Those that want to sit home on the couch and be nothing and do nothing. I say let them because at the end of the day while they were being fat, lazy and happy they were out of my way. If we want to reform the various assistance programs, I am all for it. But it has to be done in a way that gives the most help to those who want better and the least to those willing to do just what it takes to get by. Which is where the real problem in how we are providing assistance lies.



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 10:51 PM
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anonentity
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If Corporations are considered people, then how come Corporations pay virtually nothing in tax.




Ask your congressman. They write in the loopholes which corporations (and most citizens with a good tax accountant) can make use of and make the tax system a competition of who has the most time and talent to apply to it, not who owes what.

I have a hard time blaming the Corps when they are within the law. (When they aren't, fry 'em...and that's the IRS doing or not doing their job.) Not following it to the edges would be choosing to give money which the tax exceptions and myriad of credits say they aren't even supposed to.



posted on Feb, 27 2014 @ 10:51 PM
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SheopleNation
Personally, I think the biggest problem is stupid people, which have become a plague.

Besides that, out here in occupied California, they will send you an $1,800 dollar check a month for sitting on your ass.

And no, it's not unemployment either. You don't have to be looking for work, or have any disability whatsoever.

These lunatics will even give you a tax return check for doing absolutely nothing. All you have to do is file the paperwork.

It's pure insanity. Which brings us back to the stupid people part. Just think Nancy Pelosi, and that is all you need to know. ~$heopleNation




That is complete and utter B.S. I am calling you out right now and telling you that you are making crap up.

Sounds like a good story but it is a flat out lie!!!


I was on welfare in Ca, (went through some tough times and now I am on my feet and doing well) So I know first hand. You would have to have 15 kids to get that amount, and have had them all prior to applying for welfare as California DOES NOT give you more money for any additional children if that child was born while you were on welfare.

Unless you worked, you can not get a tax return PERIOD. Oh, and another thing, unless you have a medical reason, or can show that you have a child with special needs that requires you at home you HAVE to participate in some form of job training, have a job, or show that you are spending 32 hours a week looking for work.

That is FACT!
Nice try though, I am sure that you thought all the welfare haters would gobble up your pack of lies.

Oh yeah, there is also a 52 month lifetime limit in the state of California.
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