sex offenders..how would you deal with them?

Originally posted by General Zapata

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by General Zapata
If, after a certain amount of time, it is obvious that they are not making any headway, and that if released they would re-offend, then they should be put in jail.

There is NO rehabillitating these type of predators.

how do you know? have you spoken with every sex offender that has ever existed? No, of course you haven't, so stop making such broad generalisations.
I agree with you that most sex offenders you cannot rehabillitate and they do re-offend, I think they should be locked up for a longgggg time in a mental institution as you have to be sick to offend a innocent child.

[edit on 21-11-2004 by General Zapata]

So some of you think just kill these animals? I'm not saying i don't understand why they should be put down. I'm just saying That people can be reformed. And seeing how pedophiles really are the bottom of the barrel, there really hasn't been much thought as preventing and fixing their unbalance until maybe the past couple decades. I mean are you saying people Will never change? That nomatter What happens , how much they might try to reform themselves, that its a useless struggle? I dont' know about you , but i can change. I was a wild and dangerous kid , and i've learned. Of course that's not the same as being a sexual offender. but still i was violent andi learned from my mistakes and errors of my actions. Those of you that Say kill them , prolly would like to do that to alot more than just rapist(who are sick in the head)to all criminals, to protitutes, to the homeless. to lawyers....j/k,

I think the punishment should vary with each case, no I don't think they should live in 'luxury', but take another look at that person, does he or she seem happy about what they've done and how they are being treated. Personally I would be extremely embarrassed for the village to know I've done something to get me on the sex offender list. A few years in prison is enough, because nothing can undo the crime. A murderer should be treated differently, life in prison and no less.

Originally posted by monkeipeg
I think the punishment should vary with each case, no I don't think they should live in 'luxury', but take another look at that person, does he or she seem happy about what they've done and how they are being treated. Personally I would be extremely embarrassed for the village to know I've done something to get me on the sex offender list. A few years in prison is enough, because nothing can undo the crime. A murderer should be treated differently, life in prison and no less.

The person involved here deserves no thought from anyone for what they did.

Its seems to me that this person has now got a life better than they ever had, and its the tax payers who are footing the bloody bill.

The poor girls families have to live with the nightmare of what their children went through, and to see this sick individual makes me sick to the bone.

The punishment should be the same for all these kind of crimes..

Total life in prison, or the death penalty. they don't need rehabilitating, they need a sentence period!

we also have to consider the possiblity of wrongful conviction (which happens all the time), and official misconduct/tampering with evidence. If someone is in jail or a mental institution, they can be released. Bringing them back from the dead proves to be a little trickier.

For the first offense. After that it's time for other limbs. That should make it rather easy to stop the whole thing.

Originally posted by GrndLkNatv
For the first offense. After that it's time for other limbs. That should make it rather easy to stop the whole thing.

See this is the thing. Would castration stop their aberant behavior or change their M.O. to one of mutilation or torture? Sex is just their outlet, not their drive.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
The old Russian Gulags would have been perfect for this guy. Make him work in a mine 14 hours a day for the rest of his life.

I think modern Russian prison system will work almost as well in that regard. Once learned of his conviction, his sejour there would become quite "interesting".

Originally posted by General Zapata
we also have to consider the possiblity of wrongful conviction (which happens all the time), and official misconduct/tampering with evidence. If someone is in jail or a mental institution, they can be released. Bringing them back from the dead proves to be a little trickier.

There has been a few cases recently when a person doing time was exonerated based on new DNA evidence.

Originally posted by General Zapata

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by General Zapata
If, after a certain amount of time, it is obvious that they are not making any headway, and that if released they would re-offend, then they should be put in jail.

There is NO rehabillitating these type of predators.

how do you know? have you spoken with every sex offender that has ever existed? No, of course you haven't, so stop making such broad generalisations.

[edit on 21-11-2004 by General Zapata]

Still your bleeding heart general zapata. The person is right, these are sickos, they are not rehabilitated. How the hell can you do that without mind control or a total lobotmy? they will still have sick desires. And why should the taxpayer foot the bill for however many years? to hell with that, a bullet cost 50c . And I laugh at those who say, casterate them, i mean really, what will that do if they still have the desire? Better yet, let the victims get their own justice, now theres a scarey thought for a would be sex offender.

STOP THE PRESSES. Instar just came up with something. So, you don't want to kill them, notice we don't even use a noun other than "them", we don't want to EVER let them out again. Lobotomy? Maybe that is a viable solution. Not one I've thought of before. Seems like it would fit the criteria. What do you think?

Originally posted by intrepid
See this is the thing. Would castration stop their aberant behavior or change their M.O. to one of mutilation or torture? Sex is just their outlet, not their drive.

You have a good point Intrepid. A large % of rapists use an object for penetration instead of their penis, and very few "finnish" if you know what I mean. I know of at least one that after being castrated went on to do EXACTLY what you said and kill the victim to boot. Someone who claims it just because they dont have a sex partner does not understand the dynamics of the crime at all.

The only problem with the lobotomy solution is cost and future care of the vegetable. If they dont have family, its a mental institution of some kind, again its on the taxpayer.
On the other side ofthe coin, it may be tough to put a bullet in say, a 16 y.o boy who let lust get the better of him a rapes a girl. Comes down to at what age does the offender know better? who makes the judgement?
too many folk get away with tempory insanity pleas and the like thanks to clever lawyers. theres another bunch who should be shot. I suppose a difference might be made if it could be proven the boy acted with forthought and intent, i.e planning the crime, as opposed to a sudden act at a drunken party or something?
On another note, child offenders, such as the uk lads who abducted and murdered2 y.o james bulger a few years back, personally i thought they should have gotten lethal injection. This was an intended act, deliberatly planned and thought out. Evil little bastards, if they could dop that at that age, theres no rehabilitating them is there. born evil imo.

Originally posted by tomcat
I have always thought in the extreme when it comes to this question. A woman I was dating was raped and I have some idea of what she went through and continues to go through.

1. They will never be rehabilitated. Letting them live in prison for the small amount of time they will serve only gives them the incentive to be good prisoners. Giving them life sentences without parole only gives them the chance to escape and commit even worse crimes later on.

2. Castration; whether chemical or actual will only give them the chance to kill someone in an attempt to get some excitement thay can no longer achieve through rape.

3. Change the laws so that the states are responsible for making sure they never have the chance later on to commit these crimes. Right now it is against the law to sue your state for damages for criminal acts.

4. If the states knew that they could be held liabel for millions of dollars per case of a "rehabilitated criminal" committing another crime and they were negligent, I bet they would not be worried about the cost of building new prisons then.

5. Since none of these will ever be the solution then just shoot them. Donate thier organs. 2 problems solved at one time.

I agree...the last one is the best. There would have to be different ways of killing them, so we don't damage the organs. But not too brutal, because of the Constitutional Amendment barring cruel and unusual punishment. If it weren't for that, I would say open season on all of the SOBs out there.

Cruel and unusual punishment my arse! What is being raped?

Another idea might be to sentence sex offenders to be medical research guinea pigs. Atleast you get a human model so research test's are accurate everytime, no need to use defencless animals (which are poor substitutes for humans anyway) ever again. Much cheaper too.
I reckon seeing offenders being used for excrutiating and finally lethal research test might be a very good deterant, either way the offender wont offend again and the offender repays society in a very tangible way.

The Internet Business is 60 percent PORN.

The market for porn includes child porn, pediphilia. People buy and sell pictures of victimizing children until they have to go try it out themselves.

Blaming an individual for what society is promoting and profiting off of is quite pointless.

The USCongress is complaining about how addictive PORN actually is. I guess they must know.

This is not a problem of individual-on-individual. This is an economic force caused by the lack of productive work in industrialized societies.

Yes, and there are also some really sick whack-jobs out there who thrive on porn and just can't wait to get their hands on kids. And from what I understand--

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a LOT OF THESE sickos are paid by OUR GUMMINT to go do this stuff.

Read the evidence.

So, the situation won't be solved by taking one or another hapless, stupefied consumer of porn and making an example out of him.

You gotta go for the Top Dogs in the Child TRADE--and those are the ones in the Satanist Fraternities, the Bohemian Grove, and the New World Order of slaves and masters.

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
The market for porn includes child porn, pediphilia. People buy and sell pictures of victimizing children until they have to go try it out themselves.

Blaming an individual for what society is promoting and profiting off of is quite pointless.

This is the biggest line of BS I have every heard.

So now its the shape shifting satanic Masonic reptiles from outer spaces fault? Lets blame everybody and everything but the scumbag that done it. We cant have people taking responsibility for there own actions can we.

I hate to tell you this but pretty much every man in the world has looked at porn and we are not all out raping women and children.
As for kiddie porn forcing someone to commit something they wouldnt do, why do you thing they are looking at kiddie porn to BEGIN with? BECAUSE IT TURNS THEM ON. They would be like that with or without kiddie porn.

Most men dont look at kiddie porn, you know why? BECAUSE IT DOESNT TURN THEM ON. Porn doesnt make you something you are not. You choose your porn to suit your sexuality, Gay, Stright, kids, whatever

Emily, you are out of your element here. You were 10% incorrect and 85% wrong. The availabillity of porn has little, some but little has to do with the problem. These people are predators, sex is only an outlet to allow them to subjugate the weaker of the species. It also has little to do with sex, as you and I now it. It means something different to them.

It's porn that whets the appetite.

Anybody with a compulsive disorder becomes grist for this mill.

And there are plenty of psychotics wandering around--with full access to drugs, porn and violent, vicious, sadistic, cruel video games--not to mention movies.

But, you say it's not society's problem, eh?

How silly.

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
Anybody with a compulsive disorder becomes grist for this mill.

So I guess your solution to the problem is to censer EVERYTHING from movies to books to video games to radio?

After all some one might not be able to control himself after watching a movie or reading a book. They might read about Hansel and Gretal and have the uncontrollable urge to shove an old lady into an oven

And who gets to decide what we all get to read? You?

How about the government, should they do house to house searches for things that might get us to the point we cant control ourselves?