Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
It's porn that whets the appetite.

Anybody with a compulsive disorder becomes grist for this mill.

And there are plenty of psychotics wandering around--with full access to drugs, porn and violent, vicious, sadistic, cruel video games--not to mention movies.

But, you say it's not society's problem, eh?

How silly.

C'mon Emily. Porn has been around since I was a kid, back in the Mezezoic Era. Society's problem? YES! But you're looking at the wrong problem. You think that the stimuli feeds the problem, it doesn't. The problem is there and needs to be dealt with.

My best friend Darian was dating this cute as a button chick when she got raped. after it was reported to the police, we went vigilante and tore him a new ass.
I can honestly say that if i had the choice again to hunt someone that raped a woman i know, i would turn it down.
Never before in my life had i thought i could be violent, hell when i use to get in fights in school id pull my punches so i wouldnt hurt the person i was fighting
But i must say that night 4 and a half years ago i found the meaning of hatred, we beat the living # out of this kid, broke his bones had him bleeding everywhere, We were animals, and it wasnt a feeling i ever want to feel again.
As for what to do to them, thats easy, death.
You can want to try and cure them, but if raping someone is a sickness, then they should be euthinised to put them out of there misery.
If some one murdered my step daughter, i would not want to see them dead, I would want to see them in prison.
If someone raped my step daughter, they need to die.

Men habitually rape their wives who may be on the rag, who may have a headache, who may be simply exhausted.

Why don't you hang all those men--too?

There's no place in this society for gentle feelings or being vulnerable, or being tired, or simply wanting a few moments of peace.

And you're not helping.

God bless you and have mercy on you. Then maybe you'll gain some manners.

it really depends, but in this original case.... life in prison or death no questions asked. If I had it my way he would be tortured, then given to the pirahnas.

What happened to the good old days???

Some of you have pointed out the obvious fact that our court system is not always accurate & some get wrongly convicted. I've always been against the death penality for that reason - not to mention I don't like the idea of paying a government employee to kill people. That said I don't think there would be much opposition to tagging in offenders with GPS chips, so we can track them & if something does happen we know who was where when. Not only would it act as a deterrant for those that are chipped it would deter those thinking about breaking the law knowing they'll be tagged for life.

Regardless I think we have new offenders being born everyday & we really need to figure out the root of the problem - not just treat the symptoms.

I've never been much of a fan of porn, but I do think alot of sexual deviency comes from porn & I think it is a learned behavior and we can put a halt to this behavior if we don't allow that type of material to be available. The fact is we have media that promotes little girls dressing inappropriately for their age. Much of the porn industry picks the most petite models that resemble little girls, they shave their pubic areas to resemble little girls, dresses them in school girl type clothing pig tails and all. That tells me we allow the promotion of child porn - even when it's not really child porn. Should we be doing that?

While I'm all for free speech, I often wonder if we are creating more pediphiles with our media rather than people just being born that way. We are defineately doing something wrong as I find it hard to believe we would have as many peds as we do if we were doing it right. There is something wrong with our system that needs to be fixed or adjusted, because I find it hard to believe that we have so many bad apples with just bad genes.

I also see a big difference between someone who looks at a pre-teen and one who looks at a 16 year old sexually. Our court system treats them the same but the fact is many 16 year olds may be mentally different than say a 24 year old but physically I don't think there's much if any difference. It's easy to label someone messing with a 8 or 9 year old a pedophile, but I think theres a huge difference between that guy & the one with a 15-17 year old.

I believe the big part of why we consider teenagers children is because in the past girls were married at an age that they were capable of having children and that didn't allow women to have careers such as the have now. So, in reality were talking about womens rights that caused these changes. It's something that needs to be looked at. No, I'm not advocating taking away womens rights, but realizing that god made women look sexually attractive at a certain age in order propagate our species. If a young women is sexually attractive at 16 you can't change the behavior that god has given us to survive.

The guy that jumps out of the bushes will always be the bad guy, but I don't think we should label the guy that has an under age girl friend as one in the same. While he may be somewhat deviant he's not quite the same. Kind of like the difference between the person who embezzles from their employer or the guy that comes in with a gun & robs the business. Both might be a crime, but there's more hope to alter the behavior of one than the other - not to mention one does different damage then the other.

[edit on 22-11-2004 by outsider]

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
Men habitually rape their wives who may be on the rag, who may have a headache, who may be simply exhausted.

I was wrong before, THIS is the biggest line of BS I have ever heard.

OK guys how many of you habitually rape there wives?

Just WHAT is your definition of rape? There is a big difference between giving your husband some to shut them up and being sexually assulted.

Its crap like this that makes things harder ont the REAL rape victims

Originally posted by Amuk

I was wrong before, THIS is the biggest line of BS I have ever heard.

OK guys how many of you habitually rape there wives?

Just WHAT is your definition of rape? There is a big difference between giving your husband some to shut them up and being sexually assulted.

Its crap like this that makes things harder ont the REAL rape victims

You know, I'd have to say that rape is one of the worst things we get to enjoy on this planet. Somehow, we just can't keep people from freaking out and acting like animals, so let's cut down on the huge brush strokes we're using around here.

The main difference between men and women, is that we are simply more effective sometimes.

Men tend to use a gun when killing themselves, and this would explain why they get away with it more often.

Women prefer the poisoning (or slow kill) method. A woman can distroy a man much as we can them. Rape is the tool of men, because it adjusts the problem.

People will do it, some more than others, and some will even grow out of it. But honestly, our system is so jacked up, that the death penalty is really flawed and should not be used.

A rape case is not always true, but then again it makes no difference. Claim rape on a man, true or not, and he is screwed.

Game over, unless you have quite a bit of money. That tends to ease the pain somehow.

This is absolutely ridiculous. If it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a rape was commited, then the person committing the crime should receive nothing less than the death penalty. Regardless of state of mind or use of drugs. Who is to say that he/she will not revert back into that state of mind. Claiming that drugs or alcohol impaired the judgement is an easy way out of very serious crime.

edit : spelling

[edit on 23-11-2004 by Kyle72]

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all of the sex offenders if found guilty by the court of law,should be executed...a bullet in the head...hang them publicly...or stone them to death...all of this should deter other would-be offenders

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all of the sex offenders if found guilty by the court of law,should be executed...a bullet in the head...hang them publicly...or stone them to death...all of this should deter other would-be offenders

Originally posted by papar_united
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all of the sex offenders if found guilty by the court of law, should be executed...a bullet in the head...hang them publicly...or stone them to death...all of this should deter other would-be offenders

Did you read my friend? What would make you want to kill someone for NOT killing someone else?

Is there some sort of vendetta you've got? If there is, then you should exact it on the person involved rather than making it public policy.

But I am glad you think so highly of our judicial system. Kinks and all.

Please do us a favor.

Breath

Think about it seriously (meaning behind your little shield)

And come on back and try again. This is a place of learning.

Originally posted by Bikereddie
Here in the UK we have our fair share of "sex offenders" just like any other country.

If a person commits this kind of crime, they get put on a "sex offenders" list.

Once released from prison they are given a new identity and relocated away from their home town.

At the moment we have one of these offenders living in our village. The person has an armed guard and is given state benefits because they obviously cannot work.

When this person walks the dog, the guard is always with this person. You never see this person alone.
People in my village are obviously disgusted with the treatment this person is getting.

To me, it seems that the victims stay the victims and the assailants get to live a life supplied by the state in total luxury.

Are people against this type of caring for the assailant as much as me?

Do you think they should be locked up for life?
If they kill an innocent child (this person helped another kill 2 children) then they should serve life or be given the death sentence.

Do any other countries treat their convicts with care etc? or is it just the UK that has an archaic stupid law?



[edit on 21-11-2004 by Bikereddie]

Geesh! Your country must be spending a whole lot of money on the "protection" of sex offenders!
Makes me puke when I think of a convicted sex offender being given special treatment and 24 hour protection! Who cares!
Why don't they assign armed guards to protect our children?
My logic is if you are convicted of a sex crime, cut off the penis and balls and feed them to a hungry dog! What is this world coming to when we protect a convicted sex offender!!!!???? gosh, give me a puke bucket!

You speak the language of a rabid Fascist.

I don't see any inclination on your part to eliminate the causes of sexual perversion. No, for you it's just a handy shooting gallery; and you would leave all the causes in place, so you have somebody to shoot at occasionally--and justify yourself.

I don't like to hear this kind of stuff. It's an indicator, we're not a civilized society at all.

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
Men habitually rape their wives who may be on the rag, who may have a headache, who may be simply exhausted.

There's no place in this society for gentle feelings or being vulnerable, or being tired, or simply wanting a few moments of peace.

God bless you and have mercy on you. Then maybe you'll gain some manners.

Wow, I haven't read such a ridiculous statement in some time. Scholar?.....

Sorry I have never raped my loved one, I may have begged until she gave in but that is hardly rape. At the end of the day, if she really does not want to have sex, she won't. I just have to wait till the next day and tart begging again

As for how I would deal with them, a true sex offender. I don't mean that 16 year old boy who had consenting sex with a 15 year old, I mean a true violent sex offender.

Castration and a term in prison. With no future desire for sex the problem would be solved.

[edit on 23-11-2004 by Kriz_4]

Originally posted by Kriz_4

Originally posted by Emily_Cragg
Men habitually rape their wives who may be on the rag, who may have a headache, who may be simply exhausted.

There's no place in this society for gentle feelings or being vulnerable, or being tired, or simply wanting a few moments of peace.

God bless you and have mercy on you. Then maybe you'll gain some manners.

Wow, I haven't read such a ridiculous statement in some time. Scholar?.....

Sorry I have never raped my loved one, I may have begged until she gave in but that is hardly rape. At the end of the day, if she really does not want to have sex, she won't. I just have to wait till the next day and tart begging again

As for how I would deal with them, a true sex offender. I don't mean that 16 year old boy who had consenting sex with a 15 year old, I mean a true violent sex offender.

Castration and a term in prison. With no future desire for sex the problem would be solved.

[edit on 23-11-2004 by Kriz_4]

When I was married to my first husband, he would "rape" me when I was sick in bed with 102 degree fever or was on the rag. It didn't matter to him how I felt. (yeah, he was a crappy lover) So I belive that a wife can be raped by her husband. If we say no, we mean NO! And if the husband forces himself on the wife, then it's rape in my eyes.

who accomplishes the castration?

What happens to his soul?

What happens to the Executioner and his soul?

What happens to the torturer and his soul?

What happens to the bought-off judge and his soul?

What happens to the freaked-out soldier and his soul?

What happens to the bribed legislator and his soul?

What happens to the puppet dictator and his soul?


You are simply rationalizing MORE violence.

SO, I can't accept your solution.

I think, what I would do with a person who violated a child and shows all the inclinations of wanting to continue to violate children.

I would fly him over the Arctic and drop him off with no supplies on a glacier.

Just leave him there, and go.

Let God deal with him.

Then that would make you the Executioner .

Child molestation and any other sex offences should carry the maximum prison sentence.

chemical castration would be an idea.

As for re offenders, don't let the Bas***ds re offend in the first place. keep them locked up and if the death penalty exists in the relevant country, then so be it.

The way you said it, made it seem that you were implying it was a common thing done by men to their wives.

I am sorry it happend to you and I hope your husband was punished.

As for your disagreeing with castration or violence or murder. Well dropping someone off on a glacier, is murder. They would not survive. I do not believe in gods, so I do not follow the led god do his will. It would be nature in my opinion, but it would still be a planned eath, therefore murder.