India Needs A Huge Injection Of Feminism - And It Will Happen.

Originally posted by djr33222
Gotta love all the feminist propaganda, lack of research, and appeals to conditioned female-specific sentimentality going on in this thread. But why would you expect anything less.

Let's start with the 2011 prevalence statistics of crime in India provided by the National Crime Records Bureau. They are THE authority on crime throughout the country.
Report
So what is the reality of crime in India? Are these poor women being utterly disrespected, given acid showers, and beaten with impunity like the OP claims? Let's see...

Table 3-3 on the linked document - Age Group Wise Victims Of Murder

More men are victims of murder in India for ALL age groups

In 2011 25,746 men were murdered compared to 9377 women. 73.3% of all murder victims were men.

How about victims of Culpable Homicide, like female victims who are beaten, gang raped, or women who have been attacked with acid? These are those who sustain life-threatening injuries from violent attacks that did not result in murder.

"Culpable homicide" is an offence under s.299 of the Indian Penal Code (IPC), defined as "Whoever causes death by doing an act with the intention of causing death, or with the intention of causing such bodily injury as is likely to cause death, or with the knowledge that he is likely by such act to cause death, commits the offence of culpable homicide."

en.wikipedia.org...
Again, according to the NCRB men are much more likely to be victims of C.H not amounting to murder for ALL age groups.
In 2011 3,163 men were victims compared to 726 women. 81.1% of all C.H. victims were men


But let's do even better. Let's look at the statistics for ALL cognizable crimes committed against women compared to total crime of the same sort. Cognizable crimes against women include, but are not limited to: rape, kidnapping & abduction, dowry deaths, and cruelty by husbands and relatives.

One would think with all the women on this thread pontificating about installing feminism in India, the country would definitely have some huge gender-based violence problems. These women couldn't just be making stuff up based on YouTube videos and their lack of familiarity with anything having to do with Indian culture could they?

Well let's see.

Table 5.2 states that, of the total amount of cognizable crimes in 2011 21% were perpetrated against women.

So who really has more of a problem here in term of being victimized, women or men?

A feminist will always say women because in her mind somehow the suffering of men doesn't matter. In their minds all men are guilty by default just for being men.

Their natural retort to this will be, "But boo hoo women don't report even a fraction of gender-based violence. The numbers for women are severely unreported!" Don't think so. I don't fall for crap like that, know why? Because the numbers for EVERYONE are unreported, including men. There is no way to document every single act of violence that happens. For every woman missed there is at the very least 1 man.

So please, ladies, keep spouting your mendacious feminist BS.

-Deny Ignorance

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Put aside instilling feministic protesting for equal rights and changing outdated biased laws for now, let's just inject a huge dose of suggesting that men treat the women there like human-beings.

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Well yes, India and other nations need a good dose of feminism. Same goes for the middle east.

I think all the feminists groups of the west should go over there and help fight for women who need it.

I would love nothing more than to see them all go east, now that I think about it. Great idea.

Originally posted by djr33222

Originally posted by MidnightTide
Well yes, India and other nations need a good dose of feminism. Same goes for the middle east.

I think all the feminists groups of the west should go over there and help fight for women who need it.

I would love nothing more than to see them all go east, now that I think about it. Great idea.

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You certainly seem threatened, but we understand your shortcomings.

reply to post by InTheLight


Personally not threatened at all, I just feel the need of feminism here is greatly reduced. Your true fight is over there where women are treated like sub human.

reply to post by InTheLight

Put aside instilling feministic protesting for equal rights and changing outdated biased laws for now, let's just inject a huge dose of suggesting that men treat the women there like human-beings.

I agree. They need empowerment not feminism. Those two things, in the western world, are far far far away from one another.

I do research on impoverished Kenyan women dealing with substance abuse, a patriarchal society, sex-work, GBV, and AIDS in a place that accounts for 2/3rds of all HIV cases worldwide, has a GDP per capita of $1600, and where women are raped and killed indiscriminately after elections. That only scratches the surface.

To think a good way of solving the problem is installing a westernized program of feminist values is unbelievably dumb and actually harms these women that exist in a culture very different from the west. It has been done, whether you know it or not, and it doesn't work.

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by InTheLight

 

Put aside instilling feministic protesting for equal rights and changing outdated biased laws for now, let's just inject a huge dose of suggesting that men treat the women there like human-beings.

I agree. They need empowerment not feminism. Those two things, in the western world, are far far far away from one another.

I do research on impoverished Kenyan women dealing with substance abuse, a patriarchal society, sex-work, GBV, and AIDS in a place that accounts for 2/3rds of all HIV cases worldwide, has a GDP per capita of $1600, and where women are raped and killed indiscriminately after elections. That only scratches the surface.

To think a good way of solving the problem is installing a westernized program of feminist values is unbelievably dumb and actually harms these women that exist in a culture very different from the west. It has been done, whether you know it or not, and it doesn't work.

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I agree with you on empowering women at this point in time and providing them with safe havens.

reply to post by InTheLight


I didn't mean to say your OP was "dumb" as I put it. It is just that there is the dictionary definition of it and then there are the other notions about it. I normally just assume people I talk to have the more unfair definition in mind, although now I can tell you don't.

I was really upset about a post made on page 2 by someone whose name here I will not name and that's sort of why my tone was the way it was.

I am often harsh when I argue. I hope you don't take it personally.

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by InTheLight

 

I didn't mean to say your OP was "dumb" as I put it. It is just that there is the dictionary definition of it and then there are the other notions about it. I normally just assume people I talk to have the more unfair definition in mind, although now I can tell you don't.

I was really upset about a post made on page 2 by someone whose name here I will not name and that's sort of why my tone was the way it was.

I am often harsh when I argue. I hope you don't take it personally.

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I can not take any post here personally because nobody here knows me personally. You have a small glimpse of my intellect and an even smaller view of what I believe in. We are all trying to figure it out, it's not a contest.

reply to post by InTheLight


Then I envy you cause I take almost everything personally. I can't help it. It is usually more good than bad feedback though. If you argue for long enough you eventually reach a point of mutual respect despite whatever differences.

Maybe its a game, a contest, a synthesis. I dunno.

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by InTheLight

 

Then I envy you cause I take almost everything personally. I can't help it. It is usually more good than bad feedback though. If you argue for long enough you eventually reach a point of mutual respect despite whatever differences.

Maybe its a game, a contest, a synthesis. I dunno.

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It seems whenever the word 'feminism' appears in a thread, there needs to be a huge injection of getting to a place of understanding each other.

Plant the seed.

reply to post by InTheLight


Don't you mean plant the seed, only if she consents.

There are some naughty boys out there.

Originally posted by djr33222
reply to post by InTheLight

 

Don't you mean plant the seed, only if she consents.

There are some naughty boys out there.

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It begins with each generation and constant perserverance from those that are downtrodden.

reply to post by InTheLight


I was joking in my last post...

I guess it does start with each new generation. The children are the future .

Originally posted by luciddream
The threat is so retarded.

This is what the thread is...

1) Take bad news from a country you never been to
2) Start a thread, apply thing those bad news as the behavior of entire country, in this case 1 billion lol
3) Enforce feminism(yeah cause last thing we want is mess up the traditional families there too right? just because you are pissed some men "tease" women.

1) Enter a thread with feminism in the title with the intent of writing off any of its merit.
2) Point out something ridiculously untrue, such as the OP finding the whole of India guilty of the same crimes.
3) State that feminism will ruin their traditional families - Even though many families are already ruined by their treatment of women, i.e forcing mothers to be to get abortions.

Oh so to clear up so retarded stereotypic mindset some posters had.

1) Hinduism/Buddhism do not have Caste system, that came from various cultures immigrated to India.

But the caste system is alive and well in india and is playing a huge part of their society.

2) Educated families do not follow caste system anymore(at least 90% do not), education or value of the family is regarded as top, So whats the point of caste if you are better then someone above you in caste?

Untrue. The higher the caste you are, the more that is expected of you or you will dishonour the family. Only women can marry into higher/lower castes. It is very uncommon for men to have that chance.

3) The caste system is dominant in back corner villages, and India has many of them, this is where crap like forced marriage (not to be mistaken with arranged marriage, like many ignorant people do), and belittle women as a different value or prefer male babies over females(due to hardships in village lifestyle).

Subjugation of women seems very common across most area's of india, i wouldnt limit this to villages here and there.

4) Also acting like men in other world do not use "sexist terms" to describe a women walking by.

So, describing a woman's chest area is her acting like a man? You're just making excuses for animal behaviour.

Please get off the flipping pedestal, it happens in all countries, just pointing at one does not make others disappear.

Well you see, India isnt just one country, it actually came BOTTOM for women's rights - It was even beaten by Saudi Arabia for gods sake! Its clear to see they need change.

When was the last time young students stop saying "i wanna &&*%*&^ the brains out of her" when a young female students walks by? Never, it still happens.

Difference between saying and doing. If a woman cant get on a bus without being gang raped, or stand on the street waiting for a taxi then yeah, something has to be done.

It seem's you've found absolutely no fault with what's going on in India and i think that say's a lot about you and your belief system. You've practically skipped over all the points ive brought up and started banging on about feminism destroying traditional families, you cant see with your own eyes those families are being destroyed because of attitudes to women. If women were seen and treated as equal, feminism wouldn't have to occur. Its simple deduction really.

Originally posted by charles1952
I may be just adding a complication here, please feel free to ignore it.

My understanding is that India has the third largest Muslim population in the world, and is a little over 14% Muslim and growing.

How will the growth of Islam affect women's rights in India?

Good question, though to my knowledge Islam is much more popular in Pakistan - India's neighbour. I mention this because ive heard that Indian's and Pakistani's hate each other's guts. So perhaps, Islam will continue to grow and bring its own strain of sexism to India but i doubt it would ever take over the faith of 2/3rds of the country.
Though 14% is a pretty compelling number for a population like India's.

reply to post by djr33222


You're absolutely right.
Everything i posted in my OP should be brushed aside and we should concentrate on how we can help the men of india because they're obviously having their own set of problems. Perhaps when the murder rate for men goes down THEN we can give women a look in, yeah? You promise?

Lets completely forget women being forced to get married and suffering abuse at the hands of the family they've married into.

Lets forget that women are getting acid thrown on them because they didn't want to speak to a male. She'll be okay if she survives.

Lets forget about the women being pressured into having abortions because the family dont want her to have a girl. And also, lets forget all about girls being abandoned on the streets because they're to much of a burden.

Instead, Lets talk about the men. Lets talk about their issues.
djr33222 Hi-jack my thread with your MRA movement for men in India, go ahead

What are the difficulties they are facing?
Are they being forced to marry ugly women who dont cook like nigella lawson and perform like pornstar's in the bed room? Are they not getting enough in their dowry's? Are they being denied education? Are they having acid thrown on them for trying to speak to a woman? Are they being divorced, kicked out of their house's and left destitute?

Seriously, hi-jack my thread and make it al about the struggles of men in India.

The article I posted below demonstrates what happens when Indian women march to make their protests heard by government. The article states that there were a handful of men and boys marching with them...there may be hope yet.

servantsasia.org...

I read somewhere else in a news story, that when Indian women congregate in the streets to protest men will come to grope (sexually molest) and intimidate them.

I am a firm believer that culture cannot supersede human rights,
ever. I cannot fathom anyone who would feel otherwise, it is no
ones cultural right to kill, maim, harm or otherwise degrade any
human being.....

No one can force the change, it will come on its own, but it will
come.

Originally posted by Onami
The men in India get to hear about the sort of things western women get up to since they were given back their freedom. That probably wont help the situation.

What are all of these [-as implied] western women 'get up to', that men don't and why can't they if men can?
Do we all drink too much, wear skimpy clothes or stay out too long?
I am asking because I really don't get what we are 'up to' that is so bad that we have to be treated worse than dogs.

Reading through your posts you across as a woman hater who would love us to wear pretty dresses and talk about kittens all the time, when in fact we are 100% human beings just with a different set of genitalia.

If we want to get drunk, we have just as much right to 'bad behaviour' than men have. Seriously.

I am no man-hating feminist, I am a western women though who is 'almost' treated equally to men [and I don't mean I want to become a mechanic a burly builder or start raping men; I mean that I have the right to drive and vote and work and am treated like a human being].
If that makes me a militant, then so be bloody it, but some men really have to get their mind around the fact that women are actually human and not some kind of living ornaments.

India seems wrought with serious problems of all kinds and has to deal with an inactive government, so just trying to live each day seems to be the priority for most people there.

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