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India Needs A Huge Injection Of Feminism - And It Will Happen.

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posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by resoe26
Feminists are the most A$$ backwords thinkers ever.

You want equality except when you get special treatment for being a girl.
A guy that doesn't want to take care of children is a "dead beat dad", but when the role is reversed the woman is "pro choice".

A woman that hits a man is considered "brave" in many eyes... but if the man hits her back he is a criminal.
Feminists consider themselves smart and independent, UNTIL things get difficult.

"equal rights, equal rights. Oh yeah, your paying for dinner right?"


GTFO


You do know what it means when a man pays for dinner, right?




posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by zazzafrazz
interesting video. Equality change from within can only come from those women in that cultural situation.


wow were have you been hiding?

but yes I agree and I don't know how this is ever going to get any better actually I think it will get worse and watch out west it is coming your way.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
Its true that Feminism needs to target India. And also Saudi Arabia, where women are not even allowed to drive. Odd then, that Feminisms main target over the last 50 years has been the U.S.


It is so wonderful to see people talking about these topics there was a time you would be obliterated on this forum for even suggesting these sort of things.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Its true that Feminism needs to target India. And also Saudi Arabia, where women are not even allowed to drive. Odd then, that Feminisms main target over the last 50 years has been the U.S.


It is so wonderful to see people talking about these topics there was a time you would be obliterated on this forum for even suggesting these sort of things.


Perhaps ATS is a cut above the rest.



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by InTheLight

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Its true that Feminism needs to target India. And also Saudi Arabia, where women are not even allowed to drive. Odd then, that Feminisms main target over the last 50 years has been the U.S.


It is so wonderful to see people talking about these topics there was a time you would be obliterated on this forum for even suggesting these sort of things.


Perhaps ATS is a cut above the rest.


It's getting better, I have been called many names for starting topics or when debating about other cultures oppression of women.
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posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 05:32 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by InTheLight

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Its true that Feminism needs to target India. And also Saudi Arabia, where women are not even allowed to drive. Odd then, that Feminisms main target over the last 50 years has been the U.S.


It is so wonderful to see people talking about these topics there was a time you would be obliterated on this forum for even suggesting these sort of things.


Perhaps ATS is a cut above the rest.


It's getting better, I have been called many names for starting topics or when debating about other cultures oppression of women.
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Same here, and if you read a few posts back, the insults still keep coming. Anyway, they are weak attempts and I laugh in their general direction. LOL



posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 05:39 PM
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I haven't read all the post I will though.

But I AM GLAD TO SEE OTHER WOMEN STEPPING INTO THE FRAY.

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posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 05:43 PM
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Women are at risk of being raped almost anywhere. A women I know very well said she was raped when she was in her teens by a random neighbor, this is in Canada. It's certainly not just india. There's tons of backwoodsy countries where women are marginalized, used and abused. What you should do though is move to Calkata india and live there for a while and see for yourself how the culture really is.




posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 06:41 PM
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The programming needs to change there.




posted on Aug, 13 2013 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by sleepdealer
I thought it was common knowledge that women in India are discriminated against. I remember a 2011 or 2012 survey saying that India's the worst place to be a woman among the biggest global economies and ranked lower even than Saudi Arabia.
I don't know about other men, but I certainly wouldn't like to be a woman living there. I'm sure it's safer to be a cow there. If anything, India needs an injection of common sense, not feminism. But it won't happen overnight.
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Middle-eastern societies are worse than India in every respect. Rapes and other sexual crimes simply go unreported in Muslim countries due to laws that always prosecute women.

A lot of women work in India. Even single women raise their children. It is not the caste system necessarily. A lot of castes do not look down upon their women.

The crimes (sexual or other) is a socio-political phenomenon. The crimes reduce when there is strict and swift action against the criminal, and the victim receives help and aid from the government and the society towards rehabilitation. The crimes increase in conditions of chaos and weak governance.



posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 03:29 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Racasan - If Muhammed Ali can tell the US government to go f**k itself back in the 60's/70's, loose his world title in the process (Although still be recognised by the UK at least) Then im sure men can get together and take a huge gamble on abolishing the draft.


Well not everybody’s Muhammed Ali, so do you think ordinary blokes should band together and start some kind of mens rights movement to deal with these kinds of issues?

Gee I wonder if anybody would complain/disrupt meetings/act like a bunch of fascists if they did that?


The thing is, i dont think men want to. I think they'd rather complain about it while secretly happy to to play "the man" when they have "no choice" except to go to war for imperialists.

Abolish the Draft, its the right thing to do.


I honestly don’t think you are serious here



posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 03:59 AM
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Originally posted by racasan

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
Racasan - If Muhammed Ali can tell the US government to go f**k itself back in the 60's/70's, loose his world title in the process (Although still be recognised by the UK at least) Then im sure men can get together and take a huge gamble on abolishing the draft.


Well not everybody’s Muhammed Ali, so do you think ordinary blokes should band together and start some kind of mens rights movement to deal with these kinds of issues?

Gee I wonder if anybody would complain/disrupt meetings/act like a bunch of fascists if they did that?


YES THEY SHOULD!! do you think women tried once to get basic human rights, failed and just went home? NO! They had to be fought for for many years!! I am very surprised by your attitude to implementing change for the male gender! Where's the brotherhood!? Muhammed Ali was no more man than any other male on this earth, He had his own mind and his own values and part of the reason he is respected is because he stood up for his values and suffered the consequences that came with it!

I would definitely support any group of american's that sought to abolish the draft!



The thing is, i dont think men want to. I think they'd rather complain about it while secretly happy to to play "the man" when they have "no choice" except to go to war for imperialists.

Abolish the Draft, its the right thing to do.


I honestly don’t think you are serious here


No i am. Guy's are always saying "Well, if war breaks out, we get drafted, you're welcome" The draft is sexist and men need to recognise this fact. If you want to live in an equal society you're going to have to solve YOUR problem! So you can either move to have it abolished altogether, or move to have the law be able to draft women if you wanted to be backwards about it.

But my point stands, if men don't like it, do something or stop complaining.



posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
If you want to live in an equal society you're going to have to solve YOUR problem! So you can either move to have it abolished altogether, or move to have the law be able to draft women if you wanted to be backwards about it.

I think it's funny that you're saying making the law ballanced towards men and women together is 'backwards'.


But my point stands, if men don't like it, do something or stop complaining.

Ohohohohohoh.. well if this isn't irony then I don't know what is. I wonder if a man addressed that sentence to one of your claims, what would you call him.
This stuff is always funny coming from people who demand equality but can't seem to grasp the essence of it. It's even funnier considering the actions of new age Feminists consist of... well... complaining and spreading hatred (I mean do you actually believe that ranting in Tumblr helps your cause somehow?). When some group of them finally decides to take action, it's in the form of undressing in a church or trying to get your point across in a way no sane human being will ever even pay attention to, not to mention take seriously.


Anyway, ON topic, India needs no Feminism at all. At least not the new age Feminism the western world knows by name nowdays (in fact no place on Earth needs such a demented ideology but that's a different story). You might not get it instantly but in a country like India where there's a poor police control over the vastly populated areas, pissing off people who already have nothing, and messing with their culture's ideology isn't going to help at all. And this is coming from a person who is not the biggest fan of Islam to say the least.

Feminism won't stop what's happening in India. Only a strong law enforcement and harsh punishments for such crimes will.
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posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 06:30 AM
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Originally posted by InstantRemedy

Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
If you want to live in an equal society you're going to have to solve YOUR problem! So you can either move to have it abolished altogether, or move to have the law be able to draft women if you wanted to be backwards about it.

I think it's funny that you're saying making the law ballanced towards men and women together is 'backwards'.


In case it's escaped your attention, drafting people into the army can result in death, so, it would be backwards for men to seek the draft extended to women as it would only result in more death of more people so the less backwards thing to do would be to abolish the draft all together - Or you do you want equality in death by battlefields? Would you prefer to see both sexes drafted to fight for imperialists or would you rather the draft be abolished altogether?



But my point stands, if men don't like it, do something or stop complaining.



Ohohohohohoh.. well if this isn't irony then I don't know what is. I wonder if a man addressed that sentence to one of your claims, what would you call him.


Im not sure what you mean by that? Women have consistently sought to change the world around them instead of complaining about it, men should follow suit or keep quiet - No one likes a whiner.


This stuff is always funny coming from people who demand equality but can't seem to grasp the essence of it. It's even funnier considering the actions of new age Feminists consist of... well... complaining and spreading hatred (I mean do you actually believe that ranting in Tumblr helps your cause somehow?). When some group of them finally decides to take action, it's in the form of undressing in a church or trying to get your point across in a way no sane human being will ever even pay attention to, not to mention take seriously.


We'll, that's not how i go about my debates and i should once again remind people in this thread that im not a feminist but im all for equality. But again, with narrow minded posters like yourself, you fly off the handle as soon as the word feminism is mentioned because you really dont know what it's about. All you've heard is the extreme side of it and made up your mind

I dont have a tumblr btw.



Anyway, ON topic, India needs no Feminism at all. At least not the new age Feminism the western world knows by name nowdays (in fact no place on Earth needs such a demented ideology but that's a different story). You might not get it instantly but in a country like India where there's a poor police control over the vastly populated areas, pissing off people who already have nothing, and messing with their culture's ideology isn't going to help at all. And this is coming from a person who is not the biggest fan of Islam to say the least.


So what does India need to relieve its social problems then? Or i suppose in your book, people should just continue to suffer amongst themselves?


Feminism won't stop what's happening in India. Only a strong law enforcement and harsh punishments for such crimes will.


Enlighten me, why wouldn't feminism work?



posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc
In case it's escaped your attention, drafting people into the army can result in death, so, it would be backwards for men to seek the draft extended to women as it would only result in more death of more people so the less backwards thing to do would be to abolish the draft all together

Drafting is necessery to maintain an army at times whether you and I like it or not. The problematic factor is war and that is a completely different subject.


Or you do you want equality in death by battlefields? Would you prefer to see both sexes drafted to fight for imperialists or would you rather the draft be abolished altogether?

I know this might be hard for you to comprehend but hold on to your seat;
Personally I do not want to see women in comabant roles because as I see it they are not fitting for it. Of course there are select few percentage that do, but those women have physical attributes similar to men, which is rare.
What bothers me is the notion that whenever a man says something about sex equality in draft it's automatically dismissed with a range of excuses. Your's happens to be "it's backwards and the only solution is to abolish draft"
Unfortunately abolishing the draft is unrealistic so that makes your opinion on it pretty much that equality in draft is "backwards", which bothered me. The notion of equal among the sexes when it comes to draft is not backwards.
The idea of WAR, of people fighting due to their government's feuds may be backwards, but the draft itself or equality of sexes in it is not.


Im not sure what you mean by that? Women have consistently sought to change the world around them instead of complaining about it, men should follow suit or keep quiet - No one likes a whiner.

Women used to, in the past contribute to socially logical ideas like how women should obviously vote etc. Nowdays women use the term Feminism in any way that fits them, hence why I call it new-age Feminism.

I see you're still not quite getting the part where I laugh about how you take a strong position on men who complain "EG; No one likes a whiner.". I don't even think I have to remind you who does the most of the whining, online and offline when it comes to sexual inequality in their minds.

Hell, pretty much all the Feminist crowd do nowdays is whine and moan, specifically on Tumblr which turned to their HQ more or less.
When something is indeed being done, it's some lunacy in the form of dressing up in weird ways to try and get a point across, or undressing in a church. So with all due respect you're at an awful position to even think of telling men to 'put up or shut up' - or, 'nobody likes a whiner' because easily that attitude will bite you in the behind, and we all know what accusation you will use afterwards. This alone speaks volumes about the hypocrisy among nowday's "Feminists".
If some chick would justifiably complain that all her male co-workers are paid more to do the exact job she makes, only so her male boss would dismiss it and say "Eh shut it, I hate whining.. You feel something's wrong hun? Go do something 'bout it" - would you consider it an appropriate approach by her boss? If not, obviously, why use such approach yourself? Especially when you are pretty much doing the whining.

Anyway, some good examples are,
Women being declined employment in a specific area -> resulting in shouts of X company is sexist and needs Feminism (which is why some companies hire women over men for some jobs only so they'd be considered as progressive).
Women being fired -> same story.
Man gets promoted before some women do -> it has to be sexism. let's yell as hard as we can about how this field of work needs Feminism.
Woman clearly unfitting to be a mother and husband gets child custody after divorce -> the court system is obviously flawed and Feminism must be injected.

Just a single popular case I had in mind - Adria Richards' story about how she got riled about about a joke which she herself deemed to be sexist, got two people fired from their job, forgot that her job required her to do the exact opposite; to co-relate between people of that field, gets fired by her company, litterally hordes of angry Feminist sending death threads via Twitter and Facebook to her company for being sexist and firing her. Headlines to this day are "Adria Richards fired for standing up to women!!!11!1!".


We'll, that's not how i go about my debates and i should once again remind people in this thread that im not a feminist but im all for equality. But again, with narrow minded posters like yourself, you fly off the handle as soon as the word feminism is mentioned because you really dont know what it's about. All you've heard is the extreme side of it and made up your mind

I dont have a tumblr btw.

Thanks for the personal insult.
I assure you I know plenty about the original Feminist movement that made a change and the original role figures in it and their ideals. Nowdays unfortunately as I said, Feminism is thrown around whenever a woman gets dumped. And you're right, all I hear nowdays is the extreme lunatic side of it but rest assured I do know what true Feminism and true equality stand for.


So what does India need to relieve its social problems then? Or i suppose in your book, people should just continue to suffer amongst themselves?

First off, India has no less social problems than the good ole US, so let's just get this off the table first.
Second, what can be done to reduce the harm done to women in India is a stronger presence of law enforcement and harsher punishments for rapists etc. Forcefully injecting Feminist ideologies will do absolute squat, just as they have been doing globally (again I am talking about the new type of Feminism that just whines at every little thing, not the original movement that contributed much to society).


Enlighten me, why wouldn't feminism work?

It wouldn't work because it has nothing to change. Rape is already against the law, and thinking criminals who already don't obey the law will obey any kind of Feminist, new age Feminism, or gender equality ethical rules is absurd.
How about you enlighten me, how exactly would feminism stop people from raping tourist girls on trains more than a heavier presence of law enforcement officers?
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posted on Aug, 14 2013 @ 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by resoe26
Feminists are the most A$$ backwords thinkers ever.

You want equality except when you get special treatment for being a girl.
A guy that doesn't want to take care of children is a "dead beat dad", but when the role is reversed the woman is "pro choice".

A woman that hits a man is considered "brave" in many eyes... but if the man hits her back he is a criminal.
Feminists consider themselves smart and independent, UNTIL things get difficult.

"equal rights, equal rights. Oh yeah, your paying for dinner right?"


GTFO


Lol, you must have some crazy feminists in america. How is it women get special treatment again? And ive always been against someone paying for my meal, that's why i start with coffee


Yeah, no kidding. Some (not all) women here are batShi* crazy!
Although some are very independent, but there are always those that are plain golddiggers, manipulative, etc. All while trying their best to control thier male counterpart, but will quickly pull the "I'm a helpless female" card if it benefits them. But I guess you can find that everywhere huh.

But don't get me wrong, there are some awesome women I have ran into. My wife for instance. I love that woman. (I guess I'm a sucker for that hawaii look/culture)



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 12:36 AM
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The OP's point about women's safety and women's rights is very good.

I am not sure what is meant by feminism - I hope it is not baring one's chest.

The lady of the house is the pillar on which success of the entire family rests. We cannot achieve material and spiritual progress until we recognize the value and rights of women.

I appreciate the OP for bringing out a relevant topic.



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 04:18 AM
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have you ever lived in india????

it's amazing to see the level of pure stupidity and ignorance of feminists.....
so in your view being a man is favorable in india ??? /facepalm..

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posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 04:29 AM
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Originally posted by therationalist
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have you ever lived in india????


Do i have to live in a place before i can discuss its politics/social issues?



posted on Aug, 15 2013 @ 04:36 AM
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Originally posted by SearchLightsInc

Originally posted by therationalist
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have you ever lived in india????


Do i have to live in a place before i can discuss its politics/social issues?

yes.... until you live there especially as a man, you won't be able to get the true picture....



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