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”If you want equal rights like men, than I guess you won’t have a problem going in on the draft like men do”?
Originally posted by redhorse
Is new age feminism getting out of hand?
After watching this thread deteriorate into a vicious, pointless, one-up contest between the genders, I am only convinced all the more of the brutality of the battle of the sexes.
So... Yes. Maybe it is getting out of hand. But I suppose it always was, because feminism was a response to something that was clearly out of hand to begin with. Any time you have two sides struggling for dominance they can wind each other up in a hurry. Which is exactly what has happened here... Again...
In terms of the number and scope of fear based, whining, ego-driven, hateful, demeaning, and just vicious attacks that score is clearly topped by the "Masculinists" here, who are presumably male.
From where I am standing, the women in this thread in the beginning were not trying to assert dominance over men, just equality. The men who are threatened by that swooped in attacking, belittling, generally bullying, and not really thinking. There were no facts to back up most of those assertions of "Fact", and not a whole lot of actual thought in the arguments, just straw-men, circular logic and a great deal of chutzpah. The irony of screaming "I'm smarter and less emotional than you you stupid B***h!" at the top of your lungs, is so tired that most women don't even bother to roll their eyes at it any more. Just to spell it out, this kind of behavior just serves to reinforce the stereo-type of men as violent, noisy, chest beating, branch dragging testosterone machines that women must put up with for the necessity of procreation, and because they can beat us up.
I can say, that life experience has thankfully taught me that this is the vocal minority, and most men aren't like this at all.
Originally posted by Lady_Tuatha
I have to say tho, I am enjoying reading some of the comments, I have never met a man in person who has such views on women as some of the views I have read here ( their mothers must be so proud ), is it any wonder lots of these macho macho guys are single!
Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by bates
Sometimes a militant stance is required just to bargain down to acceptable terms.
Ask for way more than you want, and when compromise time comes, you can bargain down.
It's good tactics.
Ask for equality and only equality, and all you can bargain down to is less than you really want.
Besides that, who's to measure the length and breadth of 'equality'?
Will it be a white man that say to a black man "Behold, you are now equal"?
The black man continues to be told he's equal in the USA, but, the black man might just beg to differ.
Will it be a Man that tells a Woman similar as seems to be the accepted myth?
Do we need be given, told, about our 'equality', or allowed to declare it when we actually see it as so?
edit on 29-7-2013 by Druscilla because: punctuation and elaboration.
Enlighten me, why are women inferior? And perhaps you should consider changing your opinion because it lacks any factual evidence to back it up.
Wrong, the Russians had Female snipers in WW2, the British had Female spy agents and once more, the reason why women weren't fighting with the men in those wars because they weren't seen as capable
Guess your idea of the majority of deaths being men is slightly inaccurate.
Afghanistan and Iraq are not wars, they are occupations. A war is when a country has the means to fight back.
I already am, i dont need your validation.
That goes against my whole "War's are stupid and people should share more ethos" Think the world would be a better place if people didnt shoot first and ask questions later, you know what i mean?
believe it or not, 99% of women dont want to be men
Sounds very dehumanising, we are just a biological function then? No thoughts and feeling, we just do as our body pleases?
Right right, you're the chosen ones then?
The world is anything but stable.
Originally posted by hotel1
Originally posted by FyreByrd
Originally posted by hotel1
The feminists of the type you are describing are the ones that are bitterly angry at the male of the species, because only low quality, drunk men try to sleep with them.edit on 29-7-2013 by hotel1 because: (no reason given)
This will be brief. The feminists of the "type" you are describing are feminists that are just tired of men making decisions for themselves and others that are destroying the world. This also includes women, that act like men to get ahead. They are tired of excusing the frequent poor judgement of men in positions of public and private power and remaining quiet about their true thoughts and feelings to spare men's feelings
It's a quite popular in Sandanavia (pardon my spelling). Sweden has a woman's party. The only financial company to come through the Iceland melt-down was women-led. Women are very conservative ( in the sense of saving resources) in business and politics - when allowed to be women.
This will be even briefer, the three care quality commisions in the UK that failed recently were all lead by women.
Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by tothetenthpower
That is the problem, i see many men on ATS that are falling into the fear. The moment they hesitate to talk about these stuff, it becomes like a taboo.
I have been seeing men starting sentences with a disclaimer.
Have you seen any feminist here starting with a disclaimer. i highly doubt it. It is like a power trip for them.
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
The oppression card seems to be used quite often in this thread, but rarely examined. For those of you claiming that the lack of achievements by and progress of women is due to patriarchy and male oppression, I encourage you to answer the following questions:
1) Why have women allowed themselves to be dominated by men for thousands of years?
2) Why did it take women so long to rise up in a collective voice and push for social change?
3) Why do women rely on gender quotas to succeed in the fields that men tend to excel in, but men do not rely on the same in areas women tend to excel in?
edit on 30/7/2013 by Dark Ghost because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by polarwarrior
Originally posted by Seektruthalways1
reply to post by bates
There is order, and there is levels of authority, men are above women in authority and women are above children in authority. Need authority in life or there would be chaos. Everyone is not equal, otherwise you would have everyone the same.
Sounds like the same justification used to keep black people enslaved. You really need to come join us in the 21st century.
Equal does not mean the same, women won't grow penises if we give them rights. It's easy to sit at the top and claim a hierarchy is great, but most women want to be treated as equal human beings - and they are making a fuss about it because of ignorant bigots wanting them to obey their male "authority" as you put it.
Originally posted by eletheia
reply to post by Druscilla
I clicked on the link you provided and read the posts, Seems those 'macho' men don't
come off very well in the survival, hunting, providing, and building stakes!
Lots of descriptions of whining less than capable men unable to cut the mustard, and as
one poster said " The hapless men on the programme are being embarrassed by the
Originally posted by Darkrunner
To the OP, I wouldn't worry about the militant feminists. They usually tend to be lesbian, or end up writing for the New York Times or Washington Post, lamenting how tough they have it, whilst dying alone and childless. They tend to repeat and try to expand upon what their "Feminist Studies" professor drilled into their heads.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for equal work for equal pay, regardless of sex or color.
I am NOT for this PC nonsense of trying to get women onto Seal Teams or other Special Ops teams as part of some social experiment. Peoples lives are at stake, and they don't have the time for this manner of nonsense. No doubt, when they fail, their will be some waiver or lowering of standards to have "equality". Yes, we must have both sexes represented in spec ops teams. We have to make things fair.
I can see this coming a mile away.