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Originally posted by dave_welch
reply to post by SQUEALER
You aren't serious, are you? You realize that demons, as far as demon lore goes, are other worldly entities and not human souls, right?
Not that I believe in demons, but if you're going to blame mythical beings, you should at least know something about them.
If you were just being sarcastic, I apologize, sarcasm is hard to detect online.
Originally posted by old_god
reply to post by McCool
Thank you for your post, have made some strong statements, fuelled by your obvious anger, prejudices and hatred but I am not here to criticise you, I merely want to correct your bigoted views.
I am a Muslim and I am proud to say I represent the majority modern peaceful Muslims who practice a spiritual belief with the sincere aim of bettering their own lives and being of good service to others, this is how I was brought up and this is what I have learn't from Islam.
I was born in the UK so I don't have a country to go back to as you pointed out, this is my home and I will honour and defend it. I abide by the rules, I have paid my taxes and worked all of my life, very hard, as have my parents but I was brought up to be open minded and accepting of other peoples views, agnostic for a very long time I only became a practising Muslim some years ago.
The statements you have spouted are utter rubbish but I can see how they apply to some of the scumbag's who have entered the UK, polluted the religion of Islam, put a burden on the social and economic system and done very little to contribute to the greater good of the country.
I have no remorse for the two murders and I will not accept they were Muslims, merely thugs using religion to perpetrate their sick ideology of hatred but equally I will not apologise for them or have to explain myself each and every time, why should I? If that were the case I should ask every English person who assaulted, abused and humiliated black and Asian people (when it was the norm in the UK) to apologise.
You are very wrong in your opinions my friend, as many modern British Muslims are doing a lot of work to bridge the gaps, to help the communities of all walks and faiths and are actively contributing to the economy however we do not get the air time that we deserve.
People like you who are dead set in their opinion will not take the time to see what is the truth because you have based your opinion from the Media and repeating what others have said, without actually talking to the real Muslims, the ones who uphold a decent moral character because that is the fundamental tenant of our faith.
To be of a sound moral character, to help others, to be of benefit to oneself and to those around you, to be sincere, honest, open and accepting of others.
The real Muslims are not a single race, we are white, brown, black, Asian, European, American, English and above all, Human.
I hurt just like everyone else and I was pained to learn about the death of that soldier, he was someone's son, a brother, a father a companion to someone and now he is gone and we are all guilty...we have a saying in Islam:
“If anyone kills a person, it would be as if he killed all of the people: and if any one saved a life, it would be be as if he saved the life of all of the people.” - Qur'an
Look at he history of Ireland if you want examples...I was around when they were terrorising the UK, I nearly lost someone close to me in the horrific bombing in London so I feel as strongly as anyone about this country and I will defend it if I have to, even if that means taking the life of another so called Muslim (to save many more lives) I will do it if I can because if I don't honour the laws of the land I am in I have broken my covenant with God as a Muslim.
Anger is an easy emotion to throw around but it eventually leads to hate and hate clouds the judgement of any person leaving the soul empty and bitter.
Peace be upon you.
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Originally posted by JKF1897
My condolences to the family and the people of Great Britain. What's next? Livestream this kind of nonsense?
Kudos to the police whom injured but didn't kill the perp. We need a new type of jail for these people...
Originally posted by Rocker2013
Originally posted by Auricom
Originally posted by Rocker2013
...but I am actually more scared of the backlash against this and the potential for our country to lurch to the extreme right as a result of it.
Right, because the U.K. is just perfect as it is now. Time for change, I'm no right winger (actually far from it) but it's time we realize what we're doing to our countries by allowing a very aggressive people move in. I know some places in Britain are really bad. Just like Sweden and Norway. It's a shame for the peaceful Muslims (if this is indeed a Muslim attack), but extremists don't wear uniforms.
Have I suggested that the UK is "perfect"?
Far from it! I know there are plenty of things wrong with this country.
Tell me, do you know anything about history and the increase in far right nationalist sentiment in Europe before WW2?
Germany was a peaceful, open and secular nation before Hitler. The backlash against the Jewish people was orchestrated and events (including propaganda and the threat for all "real Germans" to fit in) encouraged millions of others to join the anti-Jewish sentiment.
The BBC is now reporting statements from witnesses that this was a terrorist attack, that the men were filming their attack, that they were shouting Allahu Akbar...
If this does not result in reprisal attacks on Islamic communities then I will eat the nearest hat.
This is a major national security issue, not because of repeat attacks like this, but because of the reprisal attacks against Islamic citizens.
Originally posted by McCool
So the killers names are Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale. Odd.
Originally posted by McCool
Interesting interview on a British news channel with a man named Asghar Bukhari, a spokesperson for a group named, 'The Muslim Public Affairs Committee'.edit on 23/5/2013 by McCool because: (no reason given)